[GotActichwicy]

http://jurjis.wordpress.com/2011/01/...me-sunnis-too/

please can brothers advise on the contents of this article and more info on abu jafar al hanbali?

[chuecaloversvv]

though i respect the sheikh, but his comment of qadianis was unacceptable. None group left which didnt do takfir of qadianis. barelwis-deobandis-salafis all are united about the takfir of qadianis.

[BILBONDER]

Salam Aleykum,

I am having fun reading this, who is the Hajj Abu Ja'afar?

[beenBinybelia]

He still seems to believe that Deobandis are Salafis, and that the takfir of Ahmad Raza Khan was correct...

Someone needs to show him the dishonesty Ahmad Raza Khan used to achieve his takfir.

[beenBinybelia]

Salam Aleykum,

I am having fun reading this, who is the Hajj Abu Ja'afar?

His literary style is hilarious. You should read his "reviews" of the books of the progressives and apostates.

[chuecaloversvv]

did i understand it correctly that he said he believes salafis are kafir but he doesnt pronounce it or something like this? As for Salafiyyah, yes it is a cult; but the takfir upon it is general. Thus when the scholars say that, “Salafis are kuffar, they are followers of Musailimah…their teacher and head is a false prophet…” this is a general statement without saying that each and every Salafi is a kafir.

This is the Takfir Ta’ifat ul-Kufr: the takfir of a group. This takfir of a group is without saying each and every one is an unbeliever. Those that have been named by the scholars have takfir ul-mu`ayyin but without saying each and any.

Finally, in his anger, he asked me if I made takfir on the individuals that he named. I stated that I accept the statement of the scholars but I do not state that whoever did not make takfir on them is an unbeliever because none of the scholars ever had this attitude with any of the forms of takfir except the one that involves someone mentioned by name in the Qur’an.

[DenisLevvin]

though i respect the sheikh, but his comment of qadianis was unacceptable. None group left which didnt do takfir of qadianis. barelwis-deobandis-salafis all are united about the takfir of qadianis.

Indeed. There is not a single sunni scholar out there in the world who has not performed takfir of the Qadianis. A very big mistake of him and a sad one.

[beenBinybelia]

I think it should be clear that he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to the Sub Continent.

[chuecaloversvv]

Indeed. There is not a single sunni scholar out there in the world who has not performed takfir of the Qadianis. A very big mistake of him and a sad one.

In his comment he seems to doing a favour to salafis by not doing takfir of qadianis(though he believes at the takfir made by scholars! hääh) :

I think it should be clear that he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to the Sub Continent.

becuase there isnt any single pakistani in his family.
The first question asked of me was whether or not I was Deobandi. My answer was that if someone could find a single Pakistani or Indian in my family I would pay that person as such a thing was far fetched indeed. Asian faces looked rigid and so did mine. I had little time for their games. who arent aware about the game rules, shouldnt also comment any thing about the game =)

[Wetekemieluth]

Hmmm

I'm not sure he knows what he's talking about.

[BILBONDER]

Salam,

Why don't the mods get in contact with him and invite him as a guest on the SunniForum so that the members can ask him and discuss with him?

[Aagotiq]

Salam,

Why don't the mods get in contact with him and invite him as a guest on the SunniForum so that the members can ask him and discuss with him?

we should also invite the barelwi takfiri imam along with him. hitting two birds with one stone.

[beenBinybelia]

we should also invite the barelwi takfiri imam along with him. hitting two birds with one stone.

lol

[Abedgebeefs]

we should also invite the barelwi takfiri imam along with him. hitting two birds with one stone.

Have you got something against barelwis and salafis?

[beenBinybelia]

Have you got something against barelwis and salafis?

Only one of those, from what I've seen.

[estuapped]

Despite agreeing with the takfir, he lists Mawlana Habib al-Rahman A'zami (Rahimahullah) amongst the contemporary orthodox scholars. And someone needs to tell him that the population of Bangladesh is way more than the 50 million he mentioned in the comments section (the actual figure is around 170 million).
Clearly not too clued up on these matters.

[chuecaloversvv]

Despite agreeing with the takfir, he lists Mawlana Habib al-Rahman A'zami (Rahimahullah) amongst the contemporary orthodox scholars. And someone needs to tell him that the population of Bangladesh is way more than the 50 million he mentioned in the comments section (the actual figure is around 170 million).
Clearly not too clued up on these matters.

he might refering to the knowledge of 50 million who might be awre about deo and barelwi thing, (which i personally beleive will not cross 20 milion)

[timgreyuvcz]

He sounds like a Hanbali Barelwi...a barelwi with a difference..so to say.

[ResistNewWorldOrder]

He sounds like a Hanbali Barelwi...a barelwi with a difference..so to say.

whats the word for this, oxymoron or simply moron...

[eladiopsislab]

I see a lot of deceit in the words of some people, it is almost like chinese whispers.

Lets get some facts straight. He never said anywhere that all of the Deobandis are Salafis, infact if you read the post properly, he refuses to blanket takfeer Deobandis.

Secondly, hes bayah to Yusuf Motala, the same Shaykh as Riyaad ul-Haqq, are they not counted as Deobandis?

The Deobandis he refers to as Salafis are those upon the creed of Taqwiyat ul-Imaan

Not all deobandis agree with the creed in this book

Thirdly he agress that the creed of the Qadyanis is complete kufr but refuses to make a blanket takfeer.

Either people are not reading the information given correctly, or have a personal vandetta and wish to put Shaytaan between our brothers in Islam