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Liabmeasez 02-13-2011 10:25 PM

Bidah... or...??
 
assalam o alikom warahmatullahi wabarakatuh!

i would like to tell you that i am a Muslim, hanfi and Sunni i would like to know Sunni hanfi replies

as we know that celebrating eid milad un nabi is wrong its bidah! and many of us celebrate it our Prophet (SAW ) never celebrated neither did the companions.. nor the khulfa e rashideen.. neither our islamic scholors.. we know its wrong!
buw i just rad that people who say prayers and naats they do get SAWAB (good deeds) they do get blessings.. but i also know that celebrating bidah is wrong.. so now em confused..
please help me



will they get blessing for celebrating bid ah? will they?

and also one of my friend also celebrates it. I told her its bidah! its wrong.. i said you should ask some scholar but she kept on refusing! i said i may ot be able to convince u but she's so stubborn about that! tell me how could i tell her that its wrong??

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Abedgebeefs 02-13-2011 10:28 PM

Stop salivating and read this

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=1776&CATE=108

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...&ID=482&CATE=2

Liabmeasez 02-13-2011 10:32 PM

i couldnt understand it!!!

Liabmeasez 02-13-2011 10:34 PM

its not purely correct! bidah is bidah! they are so many replies out there? some totally opposite some.. totally change? how may i accept the fact that a bidah is okay to do?

Abedgebeefs 02-13-2011 11:09 PM

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its not purely correct! bidah is bidah! they are so many replies out there? some totally opposite some.. totally change? how may i accept the fact that a bidah is okay to do?
Well n one is forcing you to do it, I dont do it, but I just dont go around crying bidah bidah...

That is up to you,

uwJzsM8t 02-13-2011 11:48 PM

In relation to Hanafi, if the gathering is free of the acts below, one may attend the gathering:
1) Keeping the Mawlid date to one day only.
2) Gender mixing
3) Thinking Rasulullah is present there
4) Music and dancing
5) Missing Salah.
6) Only talking about the birth of the Prophet instead of other aspects of his life.

Mawlid should be done each day of the year.

freevideom 02-14-2011 12:12 AM

Quote:

assalam o alikom warahmatullahi wabarakatuh!

i would like to tell you that i am a Muslim, hanfi and Sunni i would like to know Sunni hanfi replies

as we know that celebrating eid milad un nabi is wrong its bidah! and many of us celebrate it our Prophet (SAW ) never celebrated neither did the companions.. nor the khulfa e rashideen.. neither our islamic scholors.. we know its wrong!
buw i just rad that people who say prayers and naats they do get SAWAB (good deeds) they do get blessings.. but i also know that celebrating bidah is wrong.. so now em confused..
please help me



will they get blessing for celebrating bid ah? will they?

and also one of my friend also celebrates it. I told her its bidah! its wrong.. i said you should ask some scholar but she kept on refusing! i said i may ot be able to convince u but she's so stubborn about that! tell me how could i tell her that its wrong??

kindly reply fast http://discussworldissues.com/forums...icon_smile.gif
http://discussworldissues.com/forums...es/wasalam.gif Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

It's not my opinion. I've heard from scholars:

- There is Ikhtilaf about Prophet http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/pbuh.gif's birthday. There's no consensus about the date.

- But Prophet http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/pbuh.gif's date of passing away is obvious.

- Sahabah http://discussworldissues.com/forums...lies/anhum.gif got the greatest shock in their lives when Prophet http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/pbuh.gif passed away. They knew about Prophet http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/pbuh.gif's date of birth very well, but they never celebrated it.

- As a muslim everyone should possess the greatest affection and love for Prophet http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/pbuh.gif and hence how it's possible to express happiness instead of mourning?

We should ponder about those points.

Hamucevasiop 02-14-2011 12:13 AM

The Sahabah also never recited Dalail ul Khayrat. Does it make that particular act bid'ah then?

uwJzsM8t 02-14-2011 12:16 AM

Let us keep this thread very simple without any arguments or other questions beside what the OP has. Our objective and aim is not to confuse her. She could not understand the Sunnipath links. Which is no problem, we as Muslims are here to help her in Falah, meaning success.

RichardFG435 02-14-2011 03:09 AM

if the companions and sahaba didnt do it, it doesnt mean its haram.

It means it is mubah, or allowed, unless and until you can find something that does not allow it.

Does, celebrating the milad is fine. What is not good, is all the other stuff that comes with it

All the mixing and flirting that sometimes goes on between the men and women is not allowed.

And the belief that certain activities will get you heavenly reward is what is bidah.

Note that there is a difference between the two. All bidah are haraam, not all haraam things are bidah.

Bidah is mainly to do with aqeeedah - a thing becomes BIDAH, when you believe doing it will get you reward.

Sending salaam to the prophet standing up is not bidah. However, believing that standing up gets you more reward IS a bidah.

hope this helps. You've probably been confused my too much intermingling with the salafis.

sam 02-14-2011 09:52 AM

You people are confusing those who deem certain Mawlid celebrations as Bid'ah with Salafi reasoning.

Those who deem certain Mawlid celebrations as Bid'ah without being Salafi, do so on the ground of solid juristic principles, which go further than the salafi-styled "the Salaf didn't to that, therefore it's Bid'ah".

You may want to read and benefit from:

Mawlid, Deoband and Hanafi fiqh - By Hakim al-Ummah Mawlana Ashraf 'Ali Thanawi - http://www.deoband.org/2010/02/fiqh/...d-hanafi-fiqh/

Al-Muhannad: Deoband on Mawlid - By Mawlana Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri - http://www.deoband.org/2011/02/fiqh/...and-on-mawlid/

Wassalam.

CVEGK7mV 02-14-2011 01:35 PM

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You people are confusing those who deem certain Mawlid celebrations as Bid'ah with Salafi reasoning.

Those who deem certain Mawlid celebrations as Bid'ah without being Salafi, do so on the ground of solid juristic principles, which go further than the salafi-styled "the Salaf didn't to that, therefore it's Bid'ah".
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freevideom 02-14-2011 07:20 PM

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You people are confusing those who deem certain Mawlid celebrations as Bid'ah with Salafi reasoning.

Those who deem certain Mawlid celebrations as Bid'ah without being Salafi, do so on the ground of solid juristic principles, which go further than the salafi-styled "the Salaf didn't to that, therefore it's Bid'ah".

You may want to read and benefit from:

Mawlid, Deoband and Hanafi fiqh - By Hakim al-Ummah Mawlana Ashraf 'Ali Thanawi - http://www.deoband.org/2010/02/fiqh/...d-hanafi-fiqh/

Al-Muhannad: Deoband on Mawlid - By Mawlana Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri - http://www.deoband.org/2011/02/fiqh/...and-on-mawlid/

Wassalam.
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Liabmeasez 02-14-2011 10:13 PM

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if the companions and sahaba didnt do it, it doesnt mean its haram.

It means it is mubah, or allowed, unless and until you can find something that does not allow it.

Does, celebrating the milad is fine. What is not good, is all the other stuff that comes with it

All the mixing and flirting that sometimes goes on between the men and women is not allowed.

And the belief that certain activities will get you heavenly reward is what is bidah.

Note that there is a difference between the two. All bidah are haraam, not all haraam things are bidah.

Bidah is mainly to do with aqeeedah - a thing becomes BIDAH, when you believe doing it will get you reward.

Sending salaam to the prophet standing up is not bidah. However, believing that standing up gets you more reward IS a bidah.

hope this helps. You've probably been confused my too much intermingling with the salafis.


JazakAllah hu khairan! for that!

Liabmeasez 02-14-2011 10:17 PM

JazakAllah loads for all the replies !!!! http://discussworldissues.com/forums...icon_smile.gif

Still i have a bit of more confusion.. if some one attends milad on the 12 specially as birthday of Prophet (SAW) and recites Quran and naats and durood's then will he get good deeds for that? just the deeds which any other person may get on reciting them any other day?

Les Allen 02-25-2011 09:36 PM

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if some one attends milad on the 12 specially as birthday of Prophet (SAW) and recites Quran and naats and durood's then will he get good deeds for that? just the deeds which any other person may get on reciting them any other day? no he don't get any good deeds for that.the reason is that your deed depends on your intention.if your intention is right then it works.in this kind of bidah people think that at a certain day at a certain time doing something will give them more benefit then other days and time.this thinking is based on false concept so they don't get any thing except the curse of ALLAH.

uphokyhuP 02-25-2011 10:40 PM

Quote:

In relation to Hanafi, if the gathering is free of the acts below, one may attend the gathering:
1) Keeping the Mawlid date to one day only.
2) Gender mixing
3) Thinking Rasulullah is present there
4) Music and dancing
5) Missing Salah.
6) Only talking about the birth of the Prophet instead of other aspects of his life.

Mawlid should be done each day of the year.
And what about having a lovely creamy decorated cake as the prophet's birthday cake, believing this is a blessed cake and eating it brings blessings. I have one such piece of cake in my fridge right now and am going to eat it tonight just like any other cake. How can ashiqe rasul put the nabi (saw) name on a cake and then cut through that name to eat it? Someone suggested taking video of the blessed occasion of cutting the cake for the prophet Muhammad (saw). People were coming with their phones to take picture of cake and then uploading them to facebook.

But this special cake came all the way from Slough - I hear Southall does pretty good business as well with these special blessed cakes. So far there have been no candles to blow out along with a rendition of Happy Birthday - but that day does not seem too far off now.

Milad is getting over the top in Pakistani community.

ElcinBoris 02-26-2011 12:13 AM

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Milad is getting over the top in Pakistani community.
It could be cause their 'Aqeedah is not like the Salaf, so having the wrong 'Aqeedah has led them astray to the point of extreme innovation and mimicking the kuffaar.

dhrishiasv 02-26-2011 12:24 AM

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And what about having a lovely creamy decorated cake as the prophet's birthday cake, believing this is a blessed cake and eating it brings blessings. I have one such piece of cake in my fridge right now and am going to eat it tonight just like any other cake. How can ashiqe rasul put the nabi (saw) name on a cake and then cut through that name to eat it? Someone suggested taking video of the blessed occasion of cutting the cake for the prophet Muhammad (saw). People were coming with their phones to take picture of cake and then uploading them to facebook.

But this special cake came all the way from Slough - I hear Southall does pretty good business as well with these special blessed cakes. So far there have been no candles to blow out along with a rendition of Happy Birthday - but that day does not seem too far off now.

Milad is getting over the top in Pakistani community.
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oh you mean like these ones

99 pound cake : http://suwasra.blogspot.com/2010/04/...ound-cake.html

This one they couldnt even weigh : http://media.mumineen.org/archive/ph...20_surat-1.jpg
I am not sure whose milad is being celebrated in the second one ...

http://i56.tinypic.com/xn5iky.jpg

This one is just 25 GBpounds : http://www.cakes4you.biz/fresh-cream...d-15-358-p.asp

A much somber occasion : http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7273/76713686.gif

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CVEGK7mV 02-26-2011 12:25 AM

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@ sis Saj

*facepalm*

The unfortunate thing is that for many people, this equals 'ishq of Nabi http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/pbuh.gif.

May Allah Ta'aala keep us guided on the straight path.

edit: Looking at those cakes... imagine how many poor kids in their own communities could have used the money it took to make those. May Allah save us from Israaf. Ameen


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