[duminyricky]

Sometimes the soul of the believer doesnt come out at the time of death. So in case of men, a hoor of jannat is showed to him and his soul jumps out of his body while in case of women a beautiful dress of jannat is shown (which would be her attiire) and the soul jumps out of her body.

According to this, the women are more influenced by the clothes.

[Adimondin]

Sometimes the soul of the believer doesnt come out at the time of death. So in case of men, a hoor of jannat is showed to him and his soul jumps out of his body while in case of women a beautiful dress of jannat is shown (which would be her attiire) and the soul jumps out of her body.

According to this, the women are more influenced by the clothes.

i would like the reference for this plz?

[Lictimind]

always been interested in how people percieve jannah

[duminyricky]

i would like the reference for this plz?

Heard from Maulana Yunus Palanpuri..

[Dildos]

always been interested in how people percieve jannah

Sorry brother, at the moment we are struggling with a different problem in this thread. Our impressions of Jannah might be anything but the question that divides us is whether Jannah is attractive enough for women.
Being from the opposite gender my opinion (and yours-for that matter) is of slightly lesser consequence but I am nevertheless pushing my case for an affirmative answer having faith in the proposition that our Lord Most Merciful must have taken care of female fancy. You too, rather than being a passive onlooker, are invited to contribute your mettle.

[Aminkaoo]

Our impressions of Jannah might be anything but the question that divides us is whether Jannah is attractive enough for women.

Akhi, I don't think any Muslims that are discussing here 'doubt' the attractiveness of Jannah for any gender. The question was about 'houris'.

[Dildos]

Akhi, I don't think any Muslims that are discussing here 'doubt' the attractiveness of Jannah for any gender. The question was about 'houris'.

Actually our long struggling sister ftannous was wondering as to what a woman will get in Jannah.
Since I am very keen on this sister saying her Shahadah I was trying to market Jannah to her. The matter of fact is only sisters can have the best communication in this matter. To communicate to a man will be a lot easier.
Wassalam

[enactolaelant]

See:
Men - Beautiful black eyed hoors , what do women get?
Rewards of Women in Paradise

[Adimondin]

yup, ftnousse (hope i got you name right)! hey, y dont you teach me how to pronounce your name than i dont have to make up names for you in my mind... is it said like F-tanose or tanouss of fanouss...?

okay if you tell me how to pronounce your name i'll tell u what woman get in jannah. DEAL?

[bestcigsnick]

Thank you for the replies here. What qualifies a man to have these 72 women? Is there an example in 2011 of an act carried out(martyrdom). The majority of so called acts of martyrdom that kill and injure many innocent people including muslims.

Also what is in store for a female martyr?

The 72 women are given to the martyr i.e. someone who has died fighting jihad. If you want to see an act of martyrdom, then take the example of the three Muslims who were killed in Birmingham whilst defending homes and businesses during the riots. They are martyrs,

A female martyr is probably going to receive all the rewards of a male martyr I am assuming except for the women perhaps. If someone could correct me if I'm wrong, I would appreciate it. The rewards of the martyr are many; he does not face the trial of the grave, he has security on the Day of Judgement, he has his sins forgiven before the first drop of blood hits the ground and many others.

And one more thing; Mary, the mother of Jesus is one of the greatest women ever to have lived. If I end up in jannah (I pray we all do), without doubt I will receive less reward than her yet she will receive only one husband and I would receive multiple wives... all this means is that either there is a difference in the quality of the spouses so that her one husband is greater than all my spouses combined or that she is given other things that I will not be given and could not even imagine. I personally think it is both

[daguy]

Please copy and paste the following words in your reply before I reply to above post:

(1) I, ftannouss, hereby declare that I have read the Deoband Fatawah related to terrorism of all type.
(2) That this Fatawah indeed condemns terrorism in every form.
(3) That it does not glorify the killing of innocents in 2011 or earlier.
(4) That it does not propose to glorify the killings of innocents in future.
(5) That it is unfair to ask Muslims to defend the actions of those people who are violating principles of Islam.
(6) That now onwards I shall not demand explanations form Muslims regarding the actions of misguided people.
(7) That I shall no more demand Muslims to keep condemning the misguided people.
(8) That I understand that Muslims have condemned the misguided people's actions.
(9) That above condemnation is enough and sufficient.
(10) That any more demand for condemnation will be unfair and against justice.
(11) That I do not have any independent verification of the allegations against Muslims.
(12) That the international security situation is more under US/British/NATO/Western control and not under the control of Muslims.
(13) That because of the above fact Muslim answer-ability is very very low.
(14) That I shall not ask any question which assumes Muslims to be terrorists by implication.

I cant copy and paste your statements Maripat as I have not read the fatwa, Fatwas to me are rulings made by man that are not binding. I dont agree with all of the rest of the statements. I am not assuming that all muslims are terrorists. I am simply asking what is the definition of a martyr? A martyr to 1 muslims is not the same to another.
Coming from a country that has experienced conflict, I would condemn any catholic who claims they represented me when they killed innocent people in this country.

And as for the reward for females, if they chose 72 males to serve them, what is the problem there? Are men the only sex with needs and wants in that area? I am not speaking personally here, it is a general question for the female population. Please dont reply by saying that only a western woman would say something like that.

[sandyphoebetvmaa]

There's a quote I saw years ago by a Sufi poet, I think it may have been Rumi, when a woman asked him if there would be the equivalent of houris in Paradise for women. He said something like "Yes, you'd have to run to evade them!" I wish I could find it now. Anyway, the point is that Paradise is not like this world - it is not a place of deprivation, where you say "I wish I had this, or that". To think of it in those terms is quite childish, really. It is enough to know that it is the place of ultimate happiness, and that this happiness has many forms, some of which have their shadows in this worldly life, and others of which do not. The descriptions of it are only keys, and not photographs, which is why the hadith says "Therein is that which no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor human heart imagined."

[smokeberly]

I cant copy and paste your statements Maripat as I have not read the fatwa, Fatwas to me are rulings made by man that are not binding. I dont agree with all of the rest of the statements. I am not assuming that all muslims are terrorists. I am simply asking what is the definition of a martyr? A martyr to 1 muslims is not the same to another.
Coming from a country that has experienced conflict, I would condemn any catholic who claims they represented me when they killed innocent people in this country.

And as for the reward for females, if they chose 72 males to serve them, what is the problem there? Are men the only sex with needs and wants in that area? I am not speaking personally here, it is a general question for the female population. Please dont reply by saying that only a western woman would say something like that.

hi ftannous

with our limited knowledge of the jannah, I always wonder why are we squabbling over the definition of houris ("are they wives or not?") and about women's rights over there. Houris are the flowers of the jannah, but the Muslim women (solehah) are the real flowers of the jannah and nothing could be compared between the two.

As per having the number of partners to satisfy lust in the jannah (and equal treatments between man and woman), , everyone's heart is cleaned from any dirt or sins before he/she enters the jannah and I bet everyone who enters the heaven wouldn't even think of it the same way we think about lust here (all the ill-feeling is cleaned from the heart). There's not a bit of worry or ill-feeling in the jannah . And everyone is happy with no exception. So to judge the condition in the heaven as the way it is here on Earth is misleading. We can't use our current condition as a yardstick to speculate the conditions in the heaven.

[Nfvzjvcl]

Masha Allah.
How do you know this guy is interested in converting?

Kufar have pitched every kind of line in order to get Muslims to do and say things that suit their ulterior motives.

True submission to Allah requires that one actually knows who Allah (SWT) is.

First, a person who doesnt know who Allah is not likely to convert, since Islam is about submission to and worship of Allah.

Second, Jannah is for those who have gained Allah's Mercy and Forgivness at the very least, and gained his Pleasure at the very best. Its about the relationship of the individual with Allah.

Third, Islam is completely in harmony and synchroncity with human nature, including human biology. Allah addresses the nature of men and the nature of women according to each gender's specific needs and design.

Men are different from women. Men compliment women, but they are not identical to women. And vice versa. It is against the nature of both to presume that men and women are identical and should be treated identically.

Fourth, this convert should be encouraged to convert by him coming to understand and know and love Allah and the Prophet (saaw), not discussing intricate details of the Ghayb/Akhira. Quite frankly, it may take years for this guy to deconstruct the manmade ideology which he apparently submits to; and to construct Islam in its place.

May Allah guide you and him.

MashaAllah. These are excellent points. Jazakallahu khair.

[daguy]

yup, ftnousse (hope i got you name right)! hey, y dont you teach me how to pronounce your name than i dont have to make up names for you in my mind... is it said like F-tanose or tanouss of fanouss...?

okay if you tell me how to pronounce your name i'll tell u what woman get in jannah. DEAL?

FTANNOUSS simple as that! copy and paste it, its hard to remember mmb786 but I do it.

[daguy]

And one more thing; Mary, the mother of Jesus is one of the greatest women ever to have lived. If I end up in jannah (I pray we all do), without doubt I will receive less reward than her yet she will receive only one husband and I would receive multiple wives... all this means is that either there is a difference in the quality of the spouses so that her one husband is greater than all my spouses combined or that she is given other things that I will not be given and could not even imagine. I personally think it is both

I still dont understand that if a man gets 72 women or wives or whatever you call them, if this is something that a woman wants, why wouldnt she get the same number of men if thats what she wanted. I am not talking specifically Mary. Why isnt a womens reward mentioned in the Quran, why is it a grey area when it seems to be so much clearer for men.

[daguy]

Actually our long struggling sister ftannous was wondering as to what a woman will get in Jannah.
Since I am very keen on this sister saying her Shahadah I was trying to market Jannah to her. The matter of fact is only sisters can have the best communication in this matter. To communicate to a man will be a lot easier.
Wassalam

Since the majority of people who post here are males, why is there a problem getting an answer about Jannah for women. Do the men not learn about women in Islam? I think that is a cop out to be honest. You either know the answer or you dont. That is my opinion.

I find that is a common answer from muslim males on difficult questions relating specifically to women. Even the Imam at my local mosque said the same thing one time to some of my more delicate questions. Very frustrating!

[bestcigsnick]

I still dont understand that if a man gets 72 women or wives or whatever you call them, if this is something that a woman wants, why wouldnt she get the same number of men if thats what she wanted. I am not talking specifically Mary. Why isnt a womens reward mentioned in the Quran, why is it a grey area when it seems to be so much clearer for men.

Who says that when she enters jannah, she will want more husbands? Perhaps desiring more than one husband is a fault of which they will be cleansed upon entering jannah?

And the rewards are mentioned for both male and female; luxurious houses, food, etc... the only things described are things that we can understand... heaven contains much which we would not be able to comprehend in this world and so we are not told of such things, we merely acknowledge that such things exist

I still don't understand how people don't understand that if women do not get more than one husband in jannah, then it may be because when she enters she WILL NOT want more than one husband and will be content with the other bounties she is given

[daguy]

Who says that when she enters jannah, she will want more husbands? Perhaps desiring more than one husband is a fault of which they will be cleansed upon entering jannah?

I still don't understand how people don't understand that if women do not get more than one husband in jannah, then it may be because when she enters she WILL NOT want more than one husband and will be content with the other bounties she is given

To me personally it is incomprehensible that anyone male or female would want 72 women or men. That is beside the point though. So it is not considered a fault for men to want 72 women or wives. Talk about having your cake!

[bestcigsnick]

To me personally it is incomprehensible that anyone male or female would want 72 women or men. That is beside the point though. So it is not considered a fault for men to want 72 women or wives. Talk about having your cake!

LOL, I don't see what the big deal is. God decides who gets what reward and He is Most Just, Wise and Merciful so how can you, His creation, have a beef with what He decides?

Get over it