[leahjhburton]

That's wrong. Least to say, we Muslims have given:

1. Da'wah
2. Justice
3. Morals & Aklahq & Adab
4. Jurisprudence

Scientific progress isn't everything. There are infinitely more important issues that science. After all, Allah created non believers for the construction of this world. They are fulfilling their duties. Having said this it doesn't mean we should neglect science. So, please don't humiliate entire Ummah for something they were not textually required to do, and for something they already paid the price for.

The proper question is: What did you [and I] offer humanity during your [and my] lifetime?

Golden.

[shashaffff]

Golden.

Have to agree. What Islam has to give the world is not time-bound but eternal and the values that the Prophet came with still stand and will stand forever.

[shashaffff]

lol. this is true. inshallah those babies will grow up and give the world something other than just more babies.

On a more serious note, I have noticed a much greater awakening with reference to secular education in both poor and rich Muslims in the last ten years. So we can hope that within 50 years, Inshallah we will have offered a lot to the world from the scientific point of view.

[Anydayhybeall]

Golden.

Salam alikum
yes,
I agree with this and Allah is the best planner.
Islam brought many things to humanity but not all is prioritized at the same time.
w salam

[TaxSheemaSter]

http://drabutamim.blogspot.com/2011/...han-light.html

Dear Brothers & Sisters, Assalaamoalaikum

This information is already available in the Holy Qur'an, and in the beliefs of muslims.

Brotherly yours
farook

[Grzqbmhy]

Yes, Islam has far more important things to offer than material progress, and scientific advancements are no yardstick for Muslim success. However, for the past several centuries, the same laziness and incompetence that has prevented Muslims from making dunyawiy progress has prevented us from making deeniy progress as well. "Islam is the world's fastest growing religion"...how much of that is due to da'wah and how much to sheer population growth (babies!).

The kuffar are doing their jobs very well. Muslims need to focus on da'wah and justice, yes. But those are not full-time jobs. Full-time jobs for most people are secular in nature, and Muslims need to catch up to the rest of the world.

[Grzqbmhy]

On a more serious note, I have noticed a much greater awakening with reference to secular education in both poor and rich Muslims in the last ten years. So we can hope that within 50 years, Inshallah we will have offered a lot to the world from the scientific point of view.

Inshallah.

[shashaffff]

.......and Muslims need to catch up to the rest of the world.

Couldn't agree more. We need to wake up and smell the kava.

[shashaffff]

Are there any theories that might explain the result?
If the result is proved correct – and that is still a big if – you have to go into some relatively uncharted areas of theoretical physics to start explaining it. One idea is that the neutrinos are able to access some new, hidden dimension of space, which means they can take shortcuts. Joe Lykken of Fermilab told the New York Times: "Special relativity only holds in flat space, so if there is a warped fifth dimension, it is possible that on other slices of it, the speed of light is different."

Alan Kostelecky, an expert in the possibility of faster-than-light processes at Indiana University, put forward an idea in 1985 predicting that neutrinos could travel faster than the speed of light by interacting with an unknown field that lurks in the vacuum. "With this kind of background, it is not necessarily the case that the limiting speed in nature is the speed of light," he told the Guardian. "It might actually be the speed of neutrinos and light goes more slowly."

Does this mean that time travel is possible?
Don't hold your breath, we won't be routinely jumping into the past in DeLoreans any time soon. If particles could travel faster than light, special relativity suggests that travelling backwards through time is a possibility, but how anyone harnesses that ability to do anything useful is way beyond the reach of any technology or material we have today.

Physicists have postulated a hypothetical particle, known as a tachyon, that can travel faster than light and that can therefore move backwards in time. But they also think that tachyons, if they exist, would have no way of interacting with normal matter.

[shashaffff]

Neutrinos still FASTER THAN LIGHT in second test:

The boffins who sent sub-atomic particles on a faster-than-light journey into the past have done another successful experiment that confirms the results.

In the original test, 15,000 beams of neutrinos were fired over three years from CERN near Geneva 720km to Gran Sasso in Italy and the particles arrived at their destination 60 nanoseconds faster than they would have it they'd travelled at the speed of light.


In the scientific brouhaha that followed the results going public in September, critics suggested that the beams of neutrinos were rather long, around ten nanoseconds, so margin for error in measuring the time of arrival was quite high.

The researchers determined to present the world with a new physical reality outside of Einstein's theory of general relativity have now sent shorter pulses to improve measurement accuracy.

The new beams were three nanoseconds long and the test left gaps of 524 nanoseconds between them, but they still confirmed the results of the first experiment.

The OPERA (Oscillation Project with Emulsion-tRacking Apparatus) scientists published their results today on arXiv.org.

"A measurement so delicate and carrying a profound implication on physics requires an extraordinary level of scrutiny," Fernando Ferroni, president of Italian Institute for Nuclear Physics (INFN), said in a release on the results.

"The experiment OPERA, thanks to a specially adapted CERN beam, has made an important test of consistency of its result. The positive outcome of the test makes us more confident in the result, although a final word can only be said by analogous measurements performed elsewhere in the world."

Jacques Martino, director of France's National Institute of Nuclear and Particle Physics (CNRS), said another possible error of the experiment, that the clocks at CERN and Gran Sasso were on an ever so slightly different time due to gravitational time dilation, could also be investigated soon.

"One of the eventual systematic errors is now out of the way, but the search is not over. They are more checks of systematics currently under discussion, one of them could be a synchronisation of the time reference at CERN and Gran Sasso independently from the GPS, using possibly a fibre," he said.

Einstein's theory of general relativity allows for time passing at different rates in regions of different gravitational potential. The differences are small, measured in nanoseconds, but could still account for the faster-than-light results.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11...ght_confirmed/

[Dildos]

Neutrinos still FASTER THAN LIGHT in second test:

The boffins who sent sub-atomic particles on a faster-than-light journey into the past have done another successful experiment that confirms the results.

In the original test, 15,000 beams of neutrinos were fired over three years from CERN near Geneva 720km to Gran Sasso in Italy and the particles arrived at their destination 60 nanoseconds faster than they would have it they'd travelled at the speed of light.


In the scientific brouhaha that followed the results going public in September, critics suggested that the beams of neutrinos were rather long, around ten nanoseconds, so margin for error in measuring the time of arrival was quite high.

The researchers determined to present the world with a new physical reality outside of Einstein's theory of general relativity have now sent shorter pulses to improve measurement accuracy.

The new beams were three nanoseconds long and the test left gaps of 524 nanoseconds between them, but they still confirmed the results of the first experiment.

The OPERA (Oscillation Project with Emulsion-tRacking Apparatus) scientists published their results today on arXiv.org.

"A measurement so delicate and carrying a profound implication on physics requires an extraordinary level of scrutiny," Fernando Ferroni, president of Italian Institute for Nuclear Physics (INFN), said in a release on the results.

"The experiment OPERA, thanks to a specially adapted CERN beam, has made an important test of consistency of its result. The positive outcome of the test makes us more confident in the result, although a final word can only be said by analogous measurements performed elsewhere in the world."

Jacques Martino, director of France's National Institute of Nuclear and Particle Physics (CNRS), said another possible error of the experiment, that the clocks at CERN and Gran Sasso were on an ever so slightly different time due to gravitational time dilation, could also be investigated soon.

"One of the eventual systematic errors is now out of the way, but the search is not over. They are more checks of systematics currently under discussion, one of them could be a synchronisation of the time reference at CERN and Gran Sasso independently from the GPS, using possibly a fibre," he said.

Einstein's theory of general relativity allows for time passing at different rates in regions of different gravitational potential. The differences are small, measured in nanoseconds, but could still account for the faster-than-light results.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11...ght_confirmed/

In the slang of the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa, boffins are scientists, medical doctors, engineers, and other people engaged in technical or scientific research. The only premonition I have is that these boffins will look like .... in near future.

[shashaffff]

The only premonition I have is that these boffins will look like .... in near future.

look like....what? ya Shaykh? Don't stomp on my dreams..I wanna go to Andromeda.

[Anydayhybeall]

What will happen now with theory of relativity?
w alikum assalam

[Dildos]

What will happen now with theory of relativity?
w alikum assalam

Einstein's special theory of relativity will be in place sister, IA. Many people have been trying to disprove Einstein for last 106 years but no one has succeeded till now. Initially these were proper physics people who took on Einstein but soon they gave up and only laymen kept trying to disprove him. After all disproving Big E is the short route to name and fame (two very useless things in the eyes of Islam). This time somehow serious physics people ended up saying the same thing-that some particles move faster than light. Hence the general physics community too is mulling over the results in a serious manner. This second round of experiments should not be taken as a confirmation of the earlier result because it is the same group who is reporting again and they have merely removed the trivial objection to their earlier result.

PS: Now see here via here.

[shashaffff]

Einstein's special theory of relativity will be in place sister, IA. Many people have been trying to disprove Einstein for last 106 years but no one has succeeded till now. Initially these were proper physics people who took on Einstein but soon they gave up and only laymen kept trying to disprove him. After all disproving Big E is the short route to name and fame (two very useless things in the eyes of Islam). This time somehow serious physics people ended up saying the same thing-that some particles move faster than light. Hence the general physics community too is mulling over the results in a serious manner. This second round of experiments should not be taken as a confirmation of the earlier result because it is the same group who is reporting again and they have merely removed the trivial objection to their earlier result.

PS: Now see here via here.

If the objection to the earlier result was merely "trivial" Sidi, then I don't see why they should be necessarily wrong.

[Dildos]

If the objection to the earlier result was merely "trivial" Sidi, then I don't see why they should be necessarily wrong.

True.
And my PS in above post is the next step after that. It was added later on. The new report is against the results of the people who wanted to get their share of lime light. Their Warholian 15 minutes are over.
Wassalam

[shashaffff]

True.
And my PS in above post is the next step after that. It was added later on. The new report is against the results of the people who wanted to get their share of lime light. Their Warholian 15 minutes are over.
Wassalam

hmmm....so no interstellar travel for me, eh?

[Dildos]

hmmm....so no interstellar travel for me, eh?

You got to do it in the conventional way.
Colonel sometimes posts pictures of spaceship like cars (may be these are really spaceships)-one has to dpend upon them. You should not worry to much about the problems. We, Indians, have flooded NASA by our numbers. We are 36 percent there.
Wassalam

PS: Another phony on the space travel scene is Richard Branson or Virgin Galactic fame. I suspect his R&D team is seriously taking him for a ride. It is funny that most serious people can be fooled by a twin plane branded as spaceship.

[shashaffff]

You got to do it in the conventional way.
Colonel sometimes posts pictures of spaceship like cars (may be these are really spaceships)-one has to dpend upon them. You should not worry to much about the problems. We, Indians, have flooded NASA by our numbers. We are 36 percent there.
Wassalam



PS: Another phony on the space travel scene is Richard Branson or Virgin Galactic fame. I suspect his R&D team is seriously taking him for a ride. It is funny that most serious people can be fooled by a twin plane branded as spaceship.

I don't think that his R&D team is taking him for a ride. I think that he and his R&D team are taking the public for a ride. Just another Ponzi scheme.