[JasminBerkova]

Other people have different opinions about the creator, though.

Whewww. lorelei, this type of an attitude is highly irritating. remember this is an islaamic forum and people here believe in ALLAH as their provider, nourisher and sustainer... and hate to hear comments like this.

thank you.

[suilusargaino]

Hey let me tell you a bit of a news. A ship loaded with electronics automatically departed from the Port of Shanghai. Nobody actually loaded the goods into the ship, and the police couldn't trace the manufacturer of the electronic items. The ship had NO captain or auto navigational instruments. But It followed the correct route and touched Hong Kong, then it went around Cape Town and finally reached Liverpool.

All this happened without any Sailor.! Can you believe it?

Was it done with computers and GPS navigation?

Nope absolutely no Navigational insturments. Can you believe that?

[eFDMBwKH]

Whewww. lorelei, this type of an attitude is highly irritating. remember this is an islaamic forum and people here believe in ALLAH as their provider, nourisher and sustainer... and hate to hear comments like this.

thank you.

But it's true though. Other people have views that differ from Islam.

[eFDMBwKH]

Nope absolutely no Navigational insturments. Can you believe that?

No, I can't I'm afraid.

[ATTILAGLIC]

But it's true though. Other people have views that differ from Islam.

then present your views and their supportive arguments behind it if you really want to discuss it.

[Carfanate]

Such a thing has never been established.

What hasn;t been established, whether Islam comes from the Creator? Cause the reason why it hasn't been established on this thread is cause you didn't want to discuss it :S And it has been established outside of this thread, in the real world, many times over. Just because you have not encountered the proof, doesn't mean its not there. It's easily accessible in fact

[suilusargaino]

No, I can't I'm afraid.

You can't believe a SHIP can navigate on its own through the seas without a sailor or guidance,

BUT

You believe that Humans and all the animal and plant species exist in this planet Earth with the whole Universe in perfect Balance and Harmony without an influence of a CREATOR? Your 'logic' is a bit flawed. Hmmm.

[eFDMBwKH]

You can't believe a SHIP can navigate on its own through the seas without a sailor or guidance,

BUT

You believe that Humans and all the animal and plant species exist in this planet Earth with the whole Universe in perfect Balance and Harmony without an influence of a CREATOR? Your 'logic' is a bit flawed. Hmmm.

So there was no such ship, you were just lying?

The universe is not in perfect balance and harmony. It is in a constant state of flux.

[eFDMBwKH]

What hasn;t been established, whether Islam comes from the Creator? Cause the reason why it hasn't been established on this thread is cause you didn't want to discuss it :S And it has been established outside of this thread, in the real world, many times over. Just because you have not encountered the proof, doesn't mean its not there. It's easily accessible in fact

If it had really been established, then everyone would willingly be a Muslim.

[JasminBerkova]

But it's true though. Other people have views that differ from Islam.

then they musn't be on an islaamic forummmm. taadaa

[suilusargaino]

So there was no such ship, you were just lying?

The universe is not in perfect balance and harmony. It is in a constant state of flux.

If I m lying so are you. But you are lying to yourself.

[Carfanate]

So there was no such ship, you were just lying?

The universe is not in perfect balance and harmony. It is in a constant state of flux.

No, he was providing an analogy and your trying to get out of it. Simply put, if it is impossible for a ship to float all the way to its destination without a ship, then it is even more illogical that the conditions in the universe came to be in such a state that life could begin.

[eFDMBwKH]

No, he was providing an analogy and your trying to get out of it. Simply put, if it is impossible for a ship to float all the way to its destination without a ship, then it is even more illogical that the conditions in the universe came to be in such a state that life could begin.

The analogy is flawed, because the universe is chaotic.

[ATTILAGLIC]

The analogy is flawed, because the universe is chaotic.

there's a pattern in chaos. Can't you see the beauty of the design?

[Carfanate]

If it had really been established, then everyone would willingly be a Muslim.

LOL, no. You see, I have offered to give you the proof that Islam is correct and from God yet you refused to get into a discussion about it because you have better things to do with your time. That's YOUR excuse for not being a Muslim and not finding out it's proofs. Other people have similar excuses i.e. they never bother to find the proof so they never see it, and hence are not Muslim

Others find the proof, cannot argue against it in any way, shape or form because it is irrefutable and yet are still not Muslim. Why? Maybe they just don't like the idea of a Being who has control over everything or they don't like the idea that they have to cover up more or don't like the idea they can't sleep through the whole of Birmingham like the stud they are... basically, if the argument cannot be refuted on any level, then it must be true. If someone, despite knowing this, still refuses to accept Islam, you'd have to ask them the reason for it and I'm sure it won't be very good

It is silly to suggest that if it had been established that EVERYONE would be Muslim, despite the fact that the majority of humanity refuses to even look at our proofs in the first place.

[eFDMBwKH]

there's a pattern in chaos. Can't you see the beauty of the design?

I think the universe is beautifully chaotic, and clearly not designed.

[suilusargaino]

The analogy is flawed, because the universe is chaotic.

I am a Doctor who studied 5 years in Medical college and Finished Residency... you know the whole nine yards...
I can challenge you to find a Single sane Doctor who will say that the Human body is chaotic and not in perfect harmony and balance. I Bet you won't.

[eFDMBwKH]

LOL, no. You see, I have offered to give you the proof that Islam is correct and from God yet you refused to get into a discussion about it because you have better things to do with your time. That's YOUR excuse for not being a Muslim and not finding out it's proofs. Other people have similar excuses i.e. they never bother to find the proof so they never see it, and hence are not Muslim

Others find the proof, cannot argue against it in any way, shape or form because it is irrefutable and yet are still not Muslim. Why? Maybe they just don't like the idea of a Being who has control over everything or they don't like the idea that they have to cover up more or don't like the idea they can't sleep through the whole of Birmingham like the stud they are... basically, if the argument cannot be refuted on any level, then it must be true. If someone, despite knowing this, still refuses to accept Islam, you'd have to ask them the reason for it and I'm sure it won't be very good

It is silly to suggest that if it had been established that EVERYONE would be Muslim, despite the fact that the majority of humanity refuses to even look at our proofs in the first place.

Every single other revealed religion says exactly the same thing.

[ATTILAGLIC]

I think the universe is beautifully chaotic, and clearly not designed.

then how do you explain the Earth core that provides magnetic shield for the human to live on Earth? Any other planets with a strong magnetic shield such as the Earth?

[eFDMBwKH]

I am a Doctor who studied 5 years in Medical college and Finished Residency... you know the whole nine yards...
I can challenge you to find a Single sane Doctor who will say that the Human body is chaotic and not in perfect harmony and balance. I Bet you won't.

If the human body was in perfect harmony and balance, why would we need doctors?