[Heacechig]

Salams

Does anyone know anything about this group? are they following deobandi or barelwi schools?

Their sufi videos are widely distributed on the net, with some very powerful tawajjuh going on.

They seem to be all following the Naqshbandi way, amamah and sunnah beards.

Before anyone goes off on one about weird and crazy movements in their videos please note that is not the subject for discussion.

I would like to know more about the group. Some pakistani brothers must know....

[carinsurancess]

They seem to be Barelwi

[LymnInvinny]

As for as i know Shaikh saifur rahman mubarak(founder of SAIFI branch of Mujaddadi tariqa) migrated from Afghanistan about two to three decades ago and settled in Khyber agency,(Bara,Khajoori area),where he became very popular and influential.Their Tariqa is genuine Naqshbandi mujaddadi,and pir Mubarak was a properly "Ejazat yafta" shakh.His tawajjhu was extra ordinarily strong,and he was known for this quality long before all these videos appeared on internet.They were neither barelvi nor deobandi,as is usual in Afghanistan,but the rather unusual response of his mureedin to him was similar to barelvi,s.
After few years a strong reaction developed against him,mainly instigated by a Mufti(who,s name i don,t remember now) through the use of his private radio station.The Mufti called himself deobandi but Allah knows best.This gradually evolved into bloody clashes between Pir,s supporters and Mufti,s supporters,dozens of people were killed,heavy weapons were openly used,and ultimately both the pir saab and mufti saab had to leave khyber agency,but only after giving birth to a fitna,in which a shadowy character by the name of " Mangal Bagh" took control of the movement started by Mufti,This Mangal Bagh is a brutal murderer,who has killed hundreds of people since then in the name of tauheed,finally a military operation had to be launched against him,and is now hiding in an unknown place in terah area of khyber agency.
The Pir,on the other hand migrated to Lahore,well received by his followers,made many khulufa,some of whom are now passing currents to people. The Pir sahib himself passed away almost an year ago.

[Heacechig]

Salam

It seems this tawajuh of Pir Saifu Rahmaan Mubarak is very very strong as most people in these gatherings can barely control it.

I have seen Ya Rasoolullah on their website, however there doesnt seen any mention of Ahmed Rida Khan. Most barelvis would put Ahmed Rida's name everywhere.

Allah knows best

[carinsurancess]

As for as i know Shaikh saifur rahman mubarak(founder of SAIFI branch of Mujaddadi tariqa) migrated from Afghanistan about two to three decades ago and settled in Khyber agency,(Bara,Khajoori area),where he became very popular and influential.Their Tariqa is genuine Naqshbandi mujaddadi,and pir Mubarak was a properly "Ejazat yafta" shakh.His tawajjhu was extra ordinarily strong,and he was known for this quality long before all these videos appeared on internet.They were neither barelvi nor deobandi,as is usual in Afghanistan,but the rather unusual response of his mureedin to him was similar to barelvi,s.
After few years a strong reaction developed against him,mainly instigated by a Mufti(who,s name i don,t remember now) through the use of his private radio station.The Mufti called himself deobandi but Allah knows best.This gradually evolved into bloody clashes between Pir,s supporters and Mufti,s supporters,dozens of people were killed,heavy weapons were openly used,and ultimately both the pir saab and mufti saab had to leave khyber agency,but only after giving birth to a fitna,in which a shadowy character by the name of " Mangal Bagh" took control of the movement started by Mufti,This Mangal Bagh is a brutal murderer,who has killed hundreds of people since then in the name of tauheed,finally a military operation had to be launched against him,and is now hiding in an unknown place in terah area of khyber agency.
The Pir,on the other hand migrated to Lahore,well received by his followers,made many khulufa,some of whom are now passing currents to people. The Pir sahib himself passed away almost an year ago.

Do you know if this was the same pir who made takfir of those involved in Tabligh?

[Anaerbguagree]

....does anyone know how many Naqshbandi offshoots are there in the world....DR bilal Phillips mocks the naqshbandis in a video....turns out they are the naqshbandi haqqanis...then we have naqshbandi mujaddadi and now saifi....are there any others??.....

[LymnInvinny]

Do you know if this was the same pir who made takfir of those involved in Tabligh?

No brother,i am not sure of that,but his opponent MANGAL BAGH used to send his captives (for lesser degree of crimes) free,if they made a pledge they will spend 4 months with tableeghi jamaat.

[Vegeinvalge]

Is this tariqah only found in Pakistan? The Shaykh's effect seems very powerful so I wanted to know if the `ulema have commented about this particular tariqah (I believe this is the one which contains the 'electric current' molvis as can be seen on youtube).

[arindiruppyr]

No brother,i am not sure of that,but his opponent MANGAL BAGH used to send his captives (for lesser degree of crimes) free,if they made a pledge they will spend 4 months with tableeghi jamaat.

salam u alaikum,

alaka da mangal bagh dair kha khalaq day, mangal bagh manhaj sahi dai, aur da pir bidati dai.....Mangal Bagh's aims and goals were all alighn with Shariah, and his methodology for implementing it was the only way out in the wildwild west of Khyber.

[Carfanate]

Muslims fighting Muslims...



Some wiki references here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pir_Saifur_Rahman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mufti_Munir_Shakir

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangal_Bagh

Here is an article written about Mangal Bagh although I think the host website is anti-Islamic... the article is written by a former lecturer at Central Lancashire Uni: http://www.longwarjournal.org/multim...gh-Profile.pdf

[LymnInvinny]

salam u alaikum,

alaka da mangal bagh dair kha khalaq day, mangal bagh manhaj sahi dai, aur da pir bidati dai.....Mangal Bagh's aims and goals were all alighn with Shariah, and his methodology for implementing it was the only way out in the wildwild west of Khyber.

Dera kha da saiba,che pa ta kha lagi no za ba ye hum omanam.
Actually the tribal areas of a Pakistan have become a' "Puzzle". No clear opinion can be given about any one.Every one is a mix of right and wrong,good and bad.No one knows what is 'jehad' and what is 'Fasad'; No one can clearly say who is Shaheed and who is Maqtool .Things have become so confused that the only safe route seems to be "Hosh dar dam" and " Nazar ba qadam"

[LymnInvinny]

....does anyone know how many Naqshbandi offshoots are there in the world....DR bilal Phillips mocks the naqshbandis in a video....turns out they are the naqshbandi haqqanis...then we have naqshbandi mujaddadi and now saifi....are there any others??.....

Naqshbandi Mujaddadi means the branch of Naqshbandi tareeqa spread from Mujaddad Alfe theni Shaikh Ahmad Sarhindi ra.Mostly his silsila spread from two of his khulufa,Khwaja Muhammad Massom ra and Syed Adam Binori ra.The former is more wide spread than the later.In the silsila of Khwaja Muhammad Masoom,a big Sufi Shaikh Abdullah Dehlwi known as Shah Ghulam Ali became very famous,and one of his Khuluufa Shaikh Khalid Kurdi ra spread this silsila in Syria,Iraq,Kurdistan and Turkey.The shaikh of Haqqani,s,named shaikh Daghistni,who passed most of his life in Syria and died there,probably belonged to the branch of shaikh Khalid Kurdi.Shaikh Nazim is a Khalifa of the same Shaikh Daghistani.
The silsila of Saifi,s is also traced back to one of the Sons of Mujaddad Alfe thani ra.
So basically they are all Naqshbandi Mujaddadi.

[arindiruppyr]

"Hosh dar dam" and " Nazar ba qadam"

ayee Shabash Peera Da te Sum khabar karay yo,,Staso khiyal teek dai nan sara situation dair garbar dai,,,pata na lagi che sok sahi khalaq dai...no rora zama khiyal kay Pakistan kay da deobandi Maulana che dai ...da dey sara khair dey,,,day sara Quran o Hadeeth dei....aur dey sara Sahi tareeqa e suffiya dei....no bus formula naqshbandi ulema wala sahi o...Hosh dar Dam Nazar Ba Qadam.

[Carfanate]

Could you guys at least translate what your saying?

[heilyprollecyspor]

basically he said pakistan, tribal areas are a mess and it's very difficult to figure out what's what and who's on haqq but that the deobandi's are the proper sufis who don't deviate from the quran and sunnah.

[gagagaridze]

their dhikr methods are kinda

[VogsHoock]

They seem to be Barelwi

Posting their link doesnt seem to be a good option. It just increases their traffic..

[carinsurancess]

Posting their link doesnt seem to be a good option. It just increases their traffic..

Thats true.

[VogsHoock]

Thats true.

[UHlVExs7]

Salaam's.

His followers are Barelvis and certainly his followers on the net are severely Anti-Deobandi.