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Old 11-13-2011, 08:43 PM   #21
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The masjid I attend is very large, and we now have security guards on days when the masjid is packed, like on Eid-al-Adha. There was a girl who was wearing those cloggy shoes, black legging, and a baby t-shirt...and a headscarf, all skin tight. When she was walking, the security guards who were non-Muslim men turn their heads and their eyes followed a part of her as she walked away, it was utterly embarrassing. They definitely recognized the contradiction and followed their male instincts. that is why i oppose heels for the most part, there's really no modest way to wear them in public.
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Old 11-13-2011, 08:48 PM   #22
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The masjid I attend is very large, and we now have security guards on days when the masjid is packed, like on Eid-al-Adha. There was a girl who was wearing those cloggy shoes, black legging, and a baby t-shirt...and a headscarf, all skin tight. When she was walking, the security guards who were non-Muslim men turn their heads and their eyes followed a part of her as she walked away, it was utterly embarrassing. They definitely recognized the contradiction and followed their male instincts. that is why i oppose heels for the most part, there's really no modest way to wear them in public.
Solution: get Muslim security guards & implement a dress code for men and women alike attending the mosque..
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Old 11-13-2011, 10:07 PM   #23
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Speaking from my personal observations and general understanding of fashion, it's best not to wear high heeled shoes, be them wedges or 'stiletto' type shoes.

They do add a certain flair to the way you walk, make your legs look longer, etc. The last part may be irrelevant for those wearing jilbab, but the way you walk isn't really concealed.

As for "wanting to look good outside"... you're not supposed to look good outside. Not saying you should look like a hag - of course, you must look presentable and be neat and clean - but what's the point in wearing high heeled/platform shoes to 'feel and look good'? For who, exactly? You can feel and look good in the comfort of your own home safe from any prying eyes.
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Old 11-13-2011, 10:10 PM   #24
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The masjid I attend is very large, and we now have security guards on days when the masjid is packed, like on Eid-al-Adha. There was a girl who was wearing those cloggy shoes, black legging, and a baby t-shirt...and a headscarf, all skin tight. When she was walking, the security guards who were non-Muslim men turn their heads and their eyes followed a part of her as she walked away, it was utterly embarrassing. They definitely recognized the contradiction and followed their male instincts. that is why i oppose heels for the most part, there's really no modest way to wear them in public.
What was reason they have non-muslims guartd? Is it ordered by government?
Reg. the woman, hopefully she was reminded...

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Old 11-13-2011, 10:12 PM   #25
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Speaking from my personal observations and general understanding of fashion, it's best not to wear high heeled shoes, be them wedges or 'stiletto' type shoes.

They do add a certain flair to the way you walk, make your legs look longer, etc. The last part may be irrelevant for those wearing jilbab, but the way you walk isn't really concealed.

As for "wanting to look good outside"... you're not supposed to look good outside. Not saying you should look like a hag - of course, you must look presentable and be neat and clean - but what's the point in wearing high heeled/platform shoes to 'feel and look good'? For who, exactly? You can feel and look good in the comfort of your own home safe from any prying eyes.
yah i agree with this post. plus woman who wear very high and pencil heeled shoes are at a major risk of falling and breaking their neck's. pumps are the best!
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Old 11-13-2011, 11:21 PM   #26
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Solution: get Muslim security guards & implement a dress code for men and women alike attending the mosque..
I agree, it would be better if the security guards were Muslims, but it might be a government thing, I'm not sure. There is a dress code, and on the front door as well as the inside foyer area, there are posters with dress code for men and women and asking everyone to respect them, but it seems some people ignore it.
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Old 11-13-2011, 11:38 PM   #27
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More of a reason why women today should be allowed in the masjed.
They can't even observe the basic!!
Perhaps these women were shia. Accidently walked into sunni area..

One has to be in la la land to think one have to be non muslim to check this hijabi tarts!! People suppose to lower the gaze. The word SUPPOSE to but dont'.

I remember one head of an organisation told me there are people who check up other brothers wives!!!!!
So don't delude yourself in thinking the world is utopic when in most cases with highten notion of sexuality, it is the opposite.
Islamic event is the best place to check out binnies according to one brother!

The Hijabi feminist ought to take heed. it is no wonder why it is recommended for women to stay indoor.
salam alikum,
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Old 11-13-2011, 11:38 PM   #28
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More of a reason why today should be allowed in the masjed. They can't even observe the basic!!
Perhaps these women were shia. Accidently walked into sunni area..

One has to be in la la land to think one have to be non muslim to check this hijabi tarts!! People suppose to lower the gaze. The word SUPPOSE to but dont'. I remember one head of an organisation told me there are people who check up other brothers wives!!!!!
So don't delude yourself in thinking the world is utopic when in most cases with highten notion of sexuality, it is the opposite.
The Hijabi feminist ought to take heed. it is no wonder why it is recommended for women to stay indoor.
Many of them are simply Muslim by culture and do not take their faith seriously. I was at MSA east zone conference, and the speaker reprimanded the women for not covering properly, and they had the audacity to get offended. He also reprimanded the brothers for wearing tight, lowrise pants, which is the newest disgusting American/European fashion trend.
My friend who reverted to Islam is from Argentina. She said there is a big beautiful masjid there, and it has a gate keeper, who is not even Muslim, he needed a job and the masjid hired him. People who want to come in the masjid knock at the gate, he answers, if it is a man he enters, if it is a woman, he hands her a once piece full body cover that she puts on and returns when she leaves. he does it in a very polite manner, no one gets offended by being asked to put it on, and no men have to risk their eyes falling upon a woman's body while in the house of Allah. We have extra hijabs for women, but no one stands at the door and offers them to uncovered women.

We have an issue with men not respecting women at the masjid, even those of us who wear a plain black abaya and hijab, with no fancy stuff on it, still get stared at and harassed. My friends father does not like my friend going to the masjid anymore because men who were obviously not wanting her for the right reason were approaching him constantly, and then sending their friends to ask about his daughter. He couldnt go to jummah without soo many men trying to get information about her. So she stopped going. She used to volunteer there but she hates being there because the men do not lower their gaze. If we say no to them then they start spreading rumors like "she's married, she has a child, she's divorced" just because their upset that they got rejected. the only women who dont get harassed are the niqabi women, no one bothers them at all, my friend and I were talking about wearing niqab just to the masjid to avoid the attention but we werent sure if thats allowed. Unfortunately sometimes we get more respect from non-Muslim men on the street than we do from our own brothers in Islam.
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Old 11-13-2011, 11:46 PM   #29
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Many of them are simply Muslim by culture and do not take their faith seriously. I was at MSA east zone conference, and the speaker reprimanded the women for not covering properly, and they had the audacity to get offended. He also reprimanded the brothers for wearing tight, lowrise pants, which is the newest disgusting American/European fashion trend.
My friend who reverted to Islam is from Argentina. She said there is a big beautiful masjid there, and it has a gate keeper, who is not even Muslim, he needed a job and the masjid hired him. People who want to come in the masjid knock at the gate, he answers, if it is a man he enters, if it is a woman, he hands her a once piece full body cover that she puts on and returns when she leaves. he does it in a very polite manner, no one gets offended by being asked to put it on, and no men have to risk their eyes falling upon a woman's body while in the house of Allah. We have extra hijabs for women, but no one stands at the door and offers them to uncovered women.
thats a really nice and easy solution! recently iv'e seen a lady dressed immodestly right by the rawdha mubaarak in Madinah shareef. it was very sad and the guards were reprimanding her, but if they could just keep at hand an abayah (and kurtah 4 the men) and hand it to them at the door of the mosque it will make things so much better.

@ nomadic
not all muslims are learned or practicing and some don't have even basic islaamic knowledge, others maybe new reverts and don't own a single set of modest attire.
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Old 11-14-2011, 12:01 AM   #30
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Alhannaah
you think this is ok!!!
What exactly are you referring to? I think you didnt read my post correctly
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Old 11-14-2011, 12:03 AM   #31
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Only people of certain age 40+ should be allowed.
Because they are smarter that young? This is little bit funny put number to this kind of posts. Sorry for saying, but it explains a lot, open your mind brother.

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Old 11-14-2011, 12:08 AM   #32
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Because they are smarter that young? This is little bit funny put number to this kind of posts. Sorry for saying, but it explains a lot, open your mind brother.

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Im a little thrown off by brother Nomadic's posts in this thread, he usually makes very educated statements, maybe he's just having a little fun
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Old 11-14-2011, 12:12 AM   #33
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Im a little thrown off by brother Nomadic's posts in this thread, he usually makes very educated statements, maybe he's just having a little fun
Yeah that might be, he made the same with one niqab thread 8-)

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Old 11-14-2011, 12:14 AM   #34
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HMM! I think I am going to stop!! Unwarranted converstaion for no good reason. Salam
walaikum salam wr wb. But please continue to share the knowledge that you usually do.
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Old 11-14-2011, 12:16 AM   #35
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..my friend and I were talking about wearing niqab just to the masjid to avoid the attention but we werent sure if thats allowed. Unfortunately sometimes we get more respect from non-Muslim men on the street than we do from our own brothers in Islam.
Thats 100% allowed..You noticed some of the benefits already, InshaAllah wearing niqab in this manner at first will lead to wearing it full time when you see its not that hard and notice more of its benefits. Allah make it easy
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Old 11-14-2011, 12:19 AM   #36
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Thats 100% allowed..You noticed some of the benefits already, InshaAllah wearing niqab in this manner at first will lead to wearing it full time when you see its not that hard and notice more of its benefits. Allah make it easy
Salamu alaikum, jazakallah khair for the encouragement brother, I appreciate it. ...indeed, may Allah make it easy inshallah, amen.
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Old 11-14-2011, 12:19 AM   #37
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Becasue elderly women should be respected and more wiser and one should make things easy for them in their twilight years.
My mother finds it difficult to stand up for prayer and in taraweeh time we have these young sisters taking up all the space and my mother can't perform her salat or can get a place. These sisters are self fish! no ownder they can't be find husbend to marry!!

As for hijabis, one would be lieing if one says women are not attractive and their attaire and demeaner brings unrwarrnted attention hijab or no hijab. They should dress like sack i.e extremely dull colour - black is not dull colour. Black abaya is cultural thing in GCC.
If young girls go alongside with older sisters, the olders siters can lead them and create atmosphere of modesty. And at home borhter, father can remind and speak to young sisters if they fail in behavoir. Why you are so unwilling to admit this kind of communication is better that forbid sister to go to masjid. I am also for - not going to mosque regularly, anyway I think communication is more important - for example by saying to sister that she could preferrably pray at home. No body is saying this to them and help them to find comfort within quran and hadith? May be we muslism do not communicate enough... what do you think?

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Old 11-14-2011, 12:29 AM   #38
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If young girls go alongside with older sisters, the olders siters can lead them and create atmosphere of modesty. And at home borhter, father can remind and speak to young sisters if they fail in behavoir. Why you are so unwilling to admit this kind of communication is better that forbid sister to go to masjid. I am also for - not going to mosque regularly, anyway I think communication is more important - for example by saying to sister that she could preferrably pray at home. No body is saying this to them and help them to find comfort within quran and hadith? May be we muslism do not communicate enough... what do you think?

w salam
I agree with you 100% sis. You know whats really beautiful, a man at home sitting with his wife and children and teaching them about the deen, and listening to them and the husband and wife teaching the children, discussing the lives and lesssons of the sahaba and the Prophets peace be upon them. what better way to learn than to bond with family while studying the Deen? I hope to experience this one day, then I would love to stay at home everyday if thats the place where I can get the most education in my Deen and closeness to Allah swt. My family is not Muslim, and my knowledge is very limited, so I go to the masjid often to seek knowledge, to listen to lectures and to go to classes, to ask questions, and I've learned soo much that way. I can never get that at home because my parents or brothers can't teach me. I usually go to another smaller masjid that has a separate floor for women, that way I feel safe and free, and we dont have any men invading our personal space and we dont invade their's
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Old 11-14-2011, 01:20 AM   #39
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I agree with you 100% sis. You know whats really beautiful, a man at home sitting with his wife and children and teaching them about the deen, and listening to them and the husband and wife teaching the children, discussing the lives and lesssons of the sahaba and the Prophets peace be upon them. what better way to learn than to bond with family while studying the Deen? I hope to experience this one day, then I would love to stay at home everyday if thats the place where I can get the most education in my Deen and closeness to Allah swt. My family is not Muslim, and my knowledge is very limited, so I go to the masjid often to seek knowledge, to listen to lectures and to go to classes, to ask questions, and I've learned soo much that way. I can never get that at home because my parents or brothers can't teach me. I usually go to another smaller masjid that has a separate floor for women, that way I feel safe and free, and we dont have any men invading our personal space and we dont invade their's
Yes, thats a truly beautiful scenario, may ALLAH TA'AALA fulfill your wishes, guide your family to islaam and bless you with loads of knowledge. Amin.
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Old 11-14-2011, 10:55 AM   #40
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Hi, no worries, your comment was not offensive. What Brother Bugmenot was trying to point out is that this forum site is based on Islamic view, and the question on the thread is also concerned with the Islamic view of women wearing high heels. Not general opinion. Women in Islam, including men, have to dress modestly and try their best not to draw attention from the opposite sex. You can see that some members are discussing how high heels can draw inappropriate attention from men. I would like to apologize from now if any of the members may offend you; but do take care before posting personal opinion. If you have any questions regarding Islam, feel free to ask!
Thanks for your concern friend. I will check before posting.
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