[Anckzxik]

"Laymen shouldn't discuss indepth aqeedah?"

So, what is a layman?

What is in depth?


Salaam,

Abu Marwan

[Anckzxik]

People ask me for my aqeedah.

I say that one of the qualities of the believer is minding your own business.

/min Siffat al-mu'min tark maa laa yaliih/

Salaam,

Abu Marwan

[ATTILAGLIC]

Ok, in 'Reliance of a traveller' I have seen a summary. Didn't feel like reading it, so i won't be obsessed with this topic.
Suratul Ikhlas speak volumes. Especially the part 'Allahussamad'. I think that should suffice for the time being.

for the help Akhi.

Yes, exactly! Allahus-Samad! Samad refers to the One whom all else is dependant on, and yet is dependant on no-one. This is exactly the ijmaali (general, as opposed to in-depth, as Abu Marwan wanted defined) meaning of al-Ilah: Allah.

[ATTILAGLIC]

People ask me for my aqeedah.

I say that one of the qualities of the believer is minding your own business.

/min Siffat al-mu'min tark maa laa yaliih/

Salaam,

Abu Marwan

yaniih

[abouthotels]

So I shouldn't study my aqeedah, that's what you are saying?

This is your Aqeedah

You don't need to bother with Maturidi, Ashri,...........................................e tc etc....

[Anckzxik]

وآتيناه من كل شيء سبباً

[opelayday]

Interesting. Shukran.

[abouthotels]

وآتيناه من كل شيء سبباً

:As:

Brother What are you trying to establish with this aayah sharifah?

[Anckzxik]

Assalamu Alaikum junfrared,

It is a response to Sulaimanibnsalim's cryptic message #24

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post690944

Salaam,

Abu Marwan

[ATTILAGLIC]

Assalamu Alaikum junfrared,

It is a response to Sulaimanibnsalim's cryptic message #24

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post690944

Salaam,

Abu Marwan

my cryptic message?

i was correcting your mistake, which may be taken by some as a misquotation of Rasulu Llah's words, salla Llahu 'alayhi wa alihi wa sallam.

You said: yaliih, when the correct is 'yaniih' with the nun.

How on earth that was cryptic ... well, that's beyond me!

[ATTILAGLIC]

من حسن إسلام المرء تركه ما لا يعنيه

[FYvWldC0]

من حسن إسلام المرء تركه ما لا يعنيه

لله درك يا رجل, تفسير حكيم و بعيد عن التعصب العقدي.

[Toivaluadiora]

why do people always say tehre is 2 main aqeedahs, why do they always leave out athari aqeedah?

[ATTILAGLIC]

why do people always say tehre is 2 main aqeedahs, why do they always leave out athari aqeedah?

Well, if you ask many atharis, they'll say they're the firqah naajiyah, so it goes both ways.

[Anckzxik]

Assalamu alaikum Suleimanibnsalim,

It looked to me like you were asking يعني , a type of tag-question.

Thanks for the correction. I completely misquoted it. This is it:

قد روى التّرمذي وغيره عن أبي هريرةَ رضي الله عنه قال: قال رسولُ اللهِ صلّى الله عليه وسلّم:

(( مِنْ حُسْنِ إِسْلَامِ الْمَرْءِ تَرْكُهُ مَا لَا يَعْنِيهِ )).

http://bit.ly/tx783Q

I should check more carefully.

Thanks.

Salaam,

Abu Marwan

[Anckzxik]

Assalamu alaikum,

Are you referring to the الأشعرية al-Asha`riyya or الأشاعرة al-Ashā`irah creed here?

It's very difficult to follow these discussions if people will spell words differently every time they write them.

Salaam,

Abu Marwan

[ATTILAGLIC]

Assalamu alaikum,

Are you referring to the الأشعرية al-Asha`riyya or الأشاعرة al-Ashā`irah creed here?

It's very difficult to follow these discussions if people will spell words differently every time they write them.

Salaam,

Abu Marwan

I believe he is talking about the Athariyyah i.e. salafiyyah: الأثرية as opposed to the ashaa'irah: الأشاعرة

was-salam

[Anckzxik]

I believe he is talking about the Athariyyah i.e. salafiyyah: الأثرية as opposed to the ashaa'irah: الأشاعرة

was-salam Thanks. All this terminology is certainly impressive. I can't say how much it communicates beyond that.

Salaam,

Abu Marwan

[ATTILAGLIC]

Ya Aba Marwan, it's not overcomplicating things. This is how each of the three 'aqidah schools were known, throughout history. They certainly represent different strains of thought: most of the 'aqidah wars of the past has been between the atharis/some hanbalis/salafis vs. ash'aris/maturidis/ahl al-kalam vs. mu'tazilah/falaasifah.

[abouthotels]

why do people always say tehre is 2 main aqeedahs, why do they always leave out athari aqeedah?

Well, if you ask many atharis, they'll say they're the firqah naajiyah, so it goes both ways.

There is only one righteous discipline of aqeedah, that is followed by

Hazart Abu Bakar Siddeeq r.a.t. a,
by Hazrat Omer r.a.t.a,
by Hazrat Usman r.a.t.a.,
by Hazrat Abdullah bin Masood r.a.t.a,
by Hazrat Abu Hurairah r.a.t.a,
by Hazrat Abdullah bin Abbas r.a.t.a,
by Hazrat Ummul Mu’menin Umi Salmah r.a.t.a.,
by Hazrat Anas Bin Malik r.a.t.a.,
by Imam Mujahid ( -101 to 104?) r.a.,
by Imam Hasan Basari ( -110 H) r.a.,
by Imam Muqatil ( -150 H) r.a.,
by Great Imam Abu Hanifah (80-150 H) r.a., and his collaborators e.g.
by Iman Abu Yousuf ( -183 H) r.a.,
by Iman Muhammad (131-189 H) r.a.,
by Imam Abdullah bin Mubarrak (118-181 H) r.a.,
by Imam Sufyan bin Ouyynaah (107-198 H) r.a.,
by Imam al-Awzai (88-157 H) r.a.,
by Iman Malik (93-179 H) r.a.,
by Imam Sufyan Thwori (97-161 H)r.a.,
by Iman Shaf'e (150-204 H) r.a.,
by Imam Ishaq Ibn Rahwayh (161-238 H) r.a.,
by Imam Ahmed bin Hambel (164-241 H)r.a.,
by Imam Bashar Al Hafi ( -227 H) r.a.,
by Amir ul Mumineen Fil Hadith Imam Bukhari (194-256 H) r.a.,
by Imam Tirmizi (209-279 H) r.a.,
by Imam Ibn Majah (209-273 H) r.a.,
by Iman Abu ul Hasan Ashrai (260-324 H) r.a.,
by Imam Ibnu Abi Syaibah ( -297 H) r.a.,
by Imam ul Aarfeen 'Amr ibn 'Uthman al-Makki ( -297 H) r.a.,
by Imam At-Tabarani (260-360 H) r.a.,
by Imam Daraqutni (306-385 H) r.a.,
by Imam Tabari ( -310 H) r.a.,
by Imam Tahawi Hanafi ( -321 H) r.a.,
By Imam al-Bayhaqi (384-458 H) r.a.,
by Sun of A'emah Imam Sarakhsi Hanafi ( -483 H) r.a.,
by Imam al-Baghawi ( -516 H) r.a.,
by Piran-e-Pir Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilaani ( -561 H) r.a.,
by Sheikh ul Islam ibn Taymiyyah (661-728 H) r.a. (his established beliefs),
by Sun of A'emah Imam Ibn Abi Al Ez Al-Hanafi (731-751 H) r.a.,
by Imam Ul A’emah Badar uddin al-'Ayni Al Hanafi (762-855 H) r.a.,
by Mulla Ali al Qari Hanafi ( -1014 H) r.a.
by Imam Shah Wali Ullah Hanafi (1114-1186 H) r.a.,
by Sheikh ul Islam Ibn Abdul Wahab Najadi (1114-1206 H) r.a.,
by A'emah Alosies Hanafis (collectively 1200 H) r.a.,
by Iman Abdul Hai Lakhnavi Deobandi (1264-1304 H) r.a.,
by Hazrat Ahraf Ali Thanvi Deobandi (1280-1362 H) r.a. (his preferred muslak),
by Allamah Anwar Shah Kashmiri Deobandi ( -1352 H) r.a. (his established beliefs)

(I only list those whose I have statements, otherwise It would be too long. This list has Kibar (Great) Imam of Imams of Sufiyyat, so no one can say Sufiyyah has different school of thought regarding to Aqaeed )

Maturidiyyah and Asha`riyya isn't the discipline of aqaid, it is a Greek philosophy to refute the followers of Greek.

The Greek philosophy which now has been refuted by its daughter, the Great Science. The science itself is a variant thing, we currently have several evidences that the great theory of 20th century the theory of relativity is going to abolish. And much of modern physics is about to go into upheaval.

So this the story of Science, and Greek Philosophy is much more baseless than science.

The Greek Philosopher who didn’t know how to “count” the woman teeth, therefore to do so they postulated a new theory for that.

Greek terminologies like “Place”, “Time”, “Direction”, “Matter”, “Volume”,……….. Has been heavily rectified, or sometime almost entirely change by our current knowledge, HOW CAN WE PLEACE THESE FIGMENTS OF MIND (which now has been proved wrong) OVER THE GREAT QURAN AND HADITH.

Read the story of The blind Men and the Elephant, If we can't handle His creations with our intellect then how can we think about postulating the theories of Attributes of Allah over the Quran wa Hadith.