[Sleedyhex]

I dont know about what bro abu tamim said but i have seen many "off key" things went on in front of my own eyes which i can confirm to you. When i was in jamaat in india i saw people to sajdah to graves, muslims taking part in hindu festivals, and when we were taskeeld to this one masjid in thana(bombay) or baiwandi (cant recall exact place) this one guy came to the masjid and started praying salat, he didnt face qibla but was facing another direction, he was told by a our saatis that qibla was another way but in our amazement he said he was praying towards medina!, so many of these practises do go on, and you only need to go there and u will see this in front of you own eyes.

True brother. You have to see it to believe it. Since I'm from India I get to see these things often. WS.

[NickGrass]

Many Muslims are lost even in the lap of cities like Bombay and Calcutta where there is a huge population of believers. During the Ganpati festival some years back, certain Barelwis in Kolhapur took idols of the Hindu God Ganesha into their mosques, worshipped them and sent them on their way.
For some reason you will find many people who know that all this is Haram but still insist on doing it in our country. And they are all of the Darga culture.

Have you ever seen the video about salafis and there sky god?

I suggest you youtube it

[ambiddetcat]

If you see something happen in front of your eyes and cannot present a reference from a book does it make it any less real? What happened in Kolhapur is nothing new. The news channels on TV were full of this news at that time and those who were doing it very gladly posed with their 'God' on TV. But if you ask me which date, which year, which mosque and the names of those who did it, I won't be able to tell you. So if you find it hard to believe, don't believe it. By the way, a relative of mine who is a "Sunni" went through a tough financial phase some time ago. He brought home a small statue of the Hindu Goddess 'Lax mi' and started worshiping it daily to get rid of his problems. It did not come in the news and was not written in any book. So I won't be able to give a reference. If you find it hard to believe, don`t believe it. If you want to see some other unbelievable things come to India. By the way the article that I have posted is from twocircles.net with the name of their correspondent on their site. If you don't believe 'Muslims' doing Chatt puja, you can contact them there. WS.

Brother, it may be true but I personally will not accept any potentially slanderous statement against a muslim as true without hard evidence.

In any case, the problem I have with your statement is that you have specifically emphasized that the people you saw were 'brelwi' and in the process implicated any muslim who ascribes to this sect.
Are you certain they were brelwis? From my experience with brelwis they consider this idol worship as shirk just like any sane muslim. If a few misguided people have done this then you can't label the whole group as such.

As for your other comment about your relative, it looks like you really have it in for a certain sect. It is a great failing on your part if you knew your relative was idol worshipping but all you did was post about it on the internet. In future I suggest you correct the people you see doing these things rather than slandering them here.

I am neither a brelwi or deobandi just so you know that I'm not biased in any way.

[ftqwhbvxlcfop]

This stuff shouldn't really surprise anyone. Some Muslims in these places have been imitating the Hindu's for a very long time and it disgusts me. They start asking the bride for dowry like the Hindu's, they'll do some honour killing somewhere like the Hindu's, they'll do idolatry like the Hindu's... It's disgusting. Then you have people like Shah Rukh Khan doing stuff like this in his own house and the influence he has cannot be underestimated. It's not surprising that people follow him action for action.

This is why I am glad that Pakistan was created. Anyone who has read my criticisms of the country will know I am not nationalistic (in fact, I think all my posts regarding it are negative) but at least the people aren't under their influence anymore. Well, they weren't until TV's were put into every household

[jakitula]

Assalamu alaykum

This is the 25th post on this thread, I didn't read any solution to the problem. There are thousands and thousands of muslims who speak of the problems. But no one offers solutions. Just the blame game goes on. The arm chair observers and their comments are endless. But that will not help the ummah.

I myself had seen with my own eyes many (may be in hundreds) such shirk acts. I had heard of many such actions.

What hurts is that with that status of ummah, people are fighting for saying the aameen loudly or silently (aameen bil shar). Millions of petro dollars are being spent on to propagate "man you have say the aameen loudly". 95 percent of ummah don't come to masjid for prayer, then where is the question of aamen. 50 percent of ummah is under the influence of clear shirk. What we have donated to the ummah is the fatwah of shirk from our castles funded by the kings.

So let us not discuss something which cannot be practiced. Leave the ummah to go hell. We shall go to jannah and play cricket or basketball there.

wassalaam

[Habalinnyf]

Assalaamu alaikum,

IS THIS A SOLUTION?

[Sleedyhex]

Brother, it may be true but I personally will not accept any potentially slanderous statement against a muslim as true without hard evidence.

In any case, the problem I have with your statement is that you have specifically emphasized that the people you saw were 'brelwi' and in the process implicated any muslim who ascribes to this sect.
Are you certain they were brelwis? From my experience with brelwis they consider this idol worship as shirk just like any sane muslim. If a few misguided people have done this then you can't label the whole group as such.

As for your other comment about your relative, it looks like you really have it in for a certain sect. It is a great failing on your part if you knew your relative was idol worshipping but all you did was post about it on the internet. In future I suggest you correct the people you see doing these things rather than slandering them here.

I am neither a brelwi or deobandi just so you know that I'm not biased in any way.

brother. As I said, you have the right to choose what to believe in. You are entirely free to reject what I have said on the basis of the reasons that you have given. I know that they were of a certain group which is why I have mentioned their name. It is true that knowledgeable and religious Barelwis will definitely look down on it as Shirk which it is but there is something different about the rural areas of Maharashtra where syncretism sometimes raises its ugly head in such a way that it is safer for various reasons for them to keep quiet. As for labelling the whole group as Mushriks, I have not done that, you have extended my statement to all Barelwis. To be frank, I dont even consider the Barelwis as a "sect"(as you mention) which is something that would push them out of the Ahl al Sunna. I consider them as a mistaken group within the Sunnis themselves.
Finally your assumption that because I have posted about my relative here then that means that I have done nothing else is also wrong. Alhamdulillah, the said person made tawba', recited the Kalima again, threw away the "goddess" and became a practising Muslim. So don't assume that what your brothers post here is the end all and be all of their existence. We post here, talk here, discuss here but our field of action is on the street. Wa salam.

[jakitula]

Assalamu alaykum

Is there a solution?

I give up!!!!!!!!!!!!

wassalaam

[Sleedyhex]

Assalaamu alaikum,

IS THIS A SOLUTION?

Weeping in front of Allah might be the solution to all problems. Make dua' and remember us also.

[Sleedyhex]

Assalamu alaykum

Is there a solution?

I give up!!!!!!!!!!!!

wassalaam

Would love to get some ideas from you, brother ahmad.

[strongjannabiz]

Unfortunately there are Muslims in the 'West' from the indo-pak background who may believe in such stuff like mazaars, pirs, amils, asking from dead people as well as some other hindu-type rituals indicated in the article.

Mufti Muhammad Faruq (db) of Darul Uloom Blackburn gave an amazing bayaan during Ramadan here in Toronto and shook many people to their core, we need more like him. He is not afraid of speaking the truth and his entire speech was on Aqidah and the fact that we often tend to disregard Aqidah while remaining obsessed with fiqh (not to undermine its importance in any way). He didn't mince his words and was very powerful. While I don't have a real solution, one of my suggestions would be for scholars (at least here) to speak more on Aqidah, as it seems to be a rare topic.

[Sleedyhex]

Unfortunately there are Muslims in the 'West' from the indo-pak background who may believe in such stuff like mazaars, pirs, amils, asking from dead people as well as some other hindu-type rituals indicated in the article.

Mufti Muhammad Faruq (db) of Darul Uloom Blackburn gave an amazing bayaan during Ramadan here in Toronto and shook many people to their core, we need more like him. He is not afraid of speaking the truth and his entire speech was on Aqidah and the fact that we often tend to disregard Aqidah while remaining obsessed with fiqh (not to undermine its importance in any way). He didn't mince his words and was very powerful. While I don't have a real solution, one of my suggestions would be for scholars (at least here) to speak more on Aqidah, as it seems to be a rare topic.

What do you think we commoners can do, brother avid?

[jakitula]

What do you think we commoners can do, brother avid?

Assalamu alaykum.

Solution?????????????????? brother avid. Or did mufti sahib gave any solution for those mazar worship or hindu shirk rituals. People who were already in the masjid listened to that bayan on aqeedah and it shook them, it didn't shook the muslims who are on shirk. These muslims don't know either the fiqh or aqeedah.

So let us give up.

wassalaam

[Sleedyhex]

Assalamu alaykum.

Solution?????????????????? brother avid. Or did mufti sahib gave any solution for those mazar worship or hindu shirk rituals. People who were already in the masjid listened to that bayan on aqeedah and it shook them, it didn't shook the muslims who are on shirk. These muslims don't know either the fiqh or aqeedah.

So let us give up.

wassalaam

Some of us are trying, brother ahmad. Why give up?

[EmpaccalGah]

Unfortunately there are Muslims in the 'West' from the indo-pak background who may believe in such stuff like mazaars, pirs, amils, asking from dead people as well as some other hindu-type rituals indicated in the article.

Mufti Muhammad Faruq (db) of Darul Uloom Blackburn gave an amazing bayaan during Ramadan here in Toronto and shook many people to their core, we need more like him. He is not afraid of speaking the truth and his entire speech was on Aqidah and the fact that we often tend to disregard Aqidah while remaining obsessed with fiqh (not to undermine its importance in any way). He didn't mince his words and was very powerful. While I don't have a real solution, one of my suggestions would be for scholars (at least here) to speak more on Aqidah, as it seems to be a rare topic.

Thats sure mufti saab, no lefts no rights just straight to the point, tells you exactly how it is!

[strongjannabiz]

Thats sure mufti saab, no lefts no rights just straight to the point, tells you exactly how it is!

Walikumassalam,

Br. Fake Shaykh would you happen to have any of his lectures or would you know where I could get any of his lectures from?


I'm not saying this is the main solution or the only solution, but one thing that Mufti Saheb mentioned that our ulama need to talk more about Aqidah and focus on setting that straight before going on to other matters. I know initially it will only reach those who come to the masjid, but if several people who come to the masjid and realize that some of the things they were involved in or that their family/relatives are involved in are incorrect, then InshaAllah some of them at least will take the steps to rectify themselves and/or others and InshaAllah that should spread.

Holding seminars, courses and conferences on books/classical texts on Aqidah would most likely attract the younger generation here in the west, who didn't grow up in the south asian environment with all the Hindu rituals and cultural influences around them in the first place (not to say that catering to the youth is unimportant, it is absolutely necessary). But in terms of the problem being discussed, what I found effective about that lecture was that it was targeted at the layman and many middle-aged brothers or elders were sitting there who might have grown up surrounded by the south asian environment and been influenced by the prevalent bida'at. So InshaAllah these brothers can learn and spread the message.

As far as the problem prevalent in India/Pakistan itself, unfortunately I can't come up with anything, InshaAllah the last couple of nights of the first ashra of Dhul Hijjah left so at least we can all make dua sincerely. May Allah guide us as well as the whole Ummah towards the Siratul Mustaqeem. Ameen.

[jakitula]

Assalamu alaykum.

Alhamdulillah the efforts of a few ulema will not waste. Inshaa allah that will yield results. But atleast these scholars will have some thing to say before Allah swt on the day of qiyamah. We are speaking of almost 1/4th of the muslim world population which lives in Indian sub-continent. So the effort we are putting is just few drops of water on a big fire. The message I would like to give is when there is an epedemic or rather panademic of distancing from deen, we should forget about little head aches and small fevers. Collectively we shall put our effort towards this big disease which is growing day by day. I makes us to cry that our brothers are getting converted to christianity for a few rupees. And to get boys, muslim girls are getting converted to boy's religion.
So let us forget about furoee masail let us worry about EEMAAN first. And let us collectively put our efforts towards this.

[Sleedyhex]

Assalamu alaykum.

Alhamdulillah the efforts of a few ulema will not waste. Inshaa allah that will yield results. But atleast these scholars will have some thing to say before Allah swt on the day of qiyamah. We are speaking of almost 1/4th of the muslim world population which lives in Indian sub-continent. So the effort we are putting is just few drops of water on a big fire. The message I would like to give is when there is an epedemic or rather panademic of distancing from deen, we should forget about little head aches and small fevers. Collectively we shall put our effort towards this big disease which is growing day by day. I makes us to cry that our brothers are getting converted to christianity for a few rupees. And to get boys, muslim girls are getting converted to boy's religion.
So let us forget about furoee masail let us worry about EEMAAN first. And let us collectively put our efforts towards this.

brother. That is better. But I don't think that the 'Ulama alone can do this. We should also work out a plan of action. This is something that needs a mass effort on the part of the Muslims. We, in the TJ try what we can....but as individuals, I think that we need to broaden the scope of our personal work......and make ourselves more effective..........any ideas for that? WS

[Signabeademia]

Utter idiots! How can you say la ilaha illa Allah and worship a sun-god? These people have no intellect! I thought this plain kufr was eradicated a long time ago . . .

[jakitula]

Utter idiots! How can you say la ilaha illa Allah and worship a sun-god? These people have no intellect! I thought this plain kufr was eradicated a long time ago . . .

Assalamu alaykum

May be you read the first post and responded immediately.

Read through the whole thread and judge who are idiots.