[Misebeita]

So if there was a khilafat then when Qadiyani started his fitna, he and his followers would have had the ruling of murtad.

But those who are born into ahmaddiyyat in the current age, should the government consider them dhimmis. Are their prayer halls to be protected by the govt. Of course in this day and age no govt is collecting jizya from any dhimmi ?

:jazak

[Ikrleprl]

So if there was a khilafat then when Qadiyani started his fitna, he and his followers would have had the ruling of murtad.

But those who are born into ahmaddiyyat in the current age, should the government consider them dhimmis. Are their prayer halls to be protected by the govt. Of course in this day and age no govt is collecting jizya from any dhimmi ?

:jazak

Who ever say Lai illah illalah Mohammad RasoollAllah than he is not kafir or mushrik yes they are in fitnah same like you got the fitnah. Even Allah don’t say kuffar or mushrikeen who only say Lai illah illalah in Quran include nisara and yahood only those who do the shirk they are kuffar but who don’t accept Mohammad RasoollAllah they are munafiqeen all in Quran but Ahmadies says Lai illah illalah Mohammad RasoollAllah.

[soipguibbom]

Who ever say Lai illah illalah Mohammad RasoollAllah than he is not kafir or mushrik yes they are in fitnah same like you got the fitnah. Even Allah don’t say kuffar or mushrikeen who only say Lai illah illalah in Quran include nisara and yahood only those who do the shirk they are kuffar but who don’t accept Mohammad RasoollAllah they are munafiqeen all in Quran but Ahmadies says Lai illah illalah Mohammad RasoollAllah.

The people who believed in false prophets during the time of Abu Bakr radiAllahu anhu also said the kalimah but they believed in a false prophet. They were Muslim? Obviously not.

[Ikrleprl]

The people who believed in false prophets during the time of Abu Bakr radiAllahu anhu also said the kalimah but they believed in a false prophet. They were Muslim? Obviously not.

Wrong concept and digging the hell way….do you know exactly meaning of MUSLIM?

[pavelChe]

Wrong concept and digging the hell way….do you know exactly meaning of MUSLIM?

do you know the meaning of irja`?

to be a muslim, you must believe khatm an-nabiyeen.

[Ikrleprl]

do you know the meaning of irja`?

to be a muslim, you must believe khatm an-nabiyeen.

to be a muslim, control the khatm an-nabiyeen that is not your work Allah already taking care of that since human born.

[soipguibbom]

to be a muslim, control the khatm an-nabiyeen that is not your work Allah already taking care of that since human born.

What are you saying in this sentence? Can't understand.

Name me one scholar of Ahl as-Sunnah who says Qadianis are Muslims? All of a sudden you have a better understanding of who a Muslim is? Abu Bakr radiaAllhu anhu did not know this definition when he campaigned against Musailama? Answer this question please.

[15Praxanant]

So if there was a khilafat then when Qadiyani started his fitna, he and his followers would have had the ruling of murtad.

But those who are born into ahmaddiyyat in the current age, should the government consider them dhimmis. Are their prayer halls to be protected by the govt. Of course in this day and age no govt is collecting jizya from any dhimmi ?

:jazak

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Would it be the same for Shi'a?

[Ikrleprl]

What are you saying in this sentence? Can't understand.

Name me one scholar of Ahl as-Sunnah who says Qadianis are Muslims? All of a sudden you have a better understanding of who a Muslim is? Abu Bakr radiaAllhu anhu did not know this definition when he campaigned against Musailama? Answer this question please.

Than who will decide you also Muslim?

[soipguibbom]

Than who will decide you also Muslim?

The Qur'an and sunnah - if our beliefs are according to it. RasulAllah peace and blessings be upon him is the last Messenger as established by tawatur narrations from Qur'an and hadith. Ijma' of Muslims during Abu Bakr radiAllahu anhu also shows the same.

[15Praxanant]

Would it be the same for Shi'a?

- I may have misunderstood or maybe the short risala had a typo. Please remove my quote from your post as it was inaccurate. I'll get the correct answer soon insha'Allah.

[Fdmnrnba]

Who ever say Lai illah illalah Mohammad RasoollAllah than he is not kafir or mushrik yes they are in fitnah same like you got the fitnah. Even Allah don’t say kuffar or mushrikeen who only say Lai illah illalah in Quran include nisara and yahood only those who do the shirk they are kuffar but who don’t accept Mohammad RasoollAllah they are munafiqeen all in Quran but Ahmadies says Lai illah illalah Mohammad RasoollAllah.

Please do not talk without knowledge. It is the duty of ulama to talk on matters of the Din. I am sure that the thousands of ulama across the globe who have declared Qadianis kaafir know what they are talking about and have decided on their kufr after the necessary proofs. If a person recites the kalima but denies one of the basic necessary aqidahs of Islam, his reciting the kalima does not mean anything. Ahmadies recite the kalima but deny the concept of the finality of Sayyiduna Muhammad's (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) prophecy.

The kalima needs to be supported with the correct beliefs. Otherwise, a person who doesn't even know what the kalima means and doesn't believe in Allah can recite it and become a Muslim. Correct?

[24MurinivaMak]

Salam Alaykum,

I wanted to bring the issue up again since the original question was not really answered: What would be the situation of those who are born as Qadianis and what would be the proper position the Muslim government should take with respect to them?

Would they be considered 'apostates' in the technical sense of the word, or would there be some other ruling in their case?

[EasyLOAD]

Salam Alaykum,

I wanted to bring the issue up again since the original question was not really answered: What would be the situation of those who are born as Qadianis and what would be the proper position the Muslim government should take with respect to them?

Would they be considered 'apostates' in the technical sense of the word, or would there be some other ruling in their case?

It seems that the element complicating the issue is that they aren't just kuffar; they claim to be Muslims and thus also make fitna...

[Mr_White]

Only one thing matters- they must not be persecuted. Thier life,property and honour must not be harmed.

[EasyLOAD]

Only one thing matters- they must not be persecuted. Thier life,property and honour must not be harmed.

Why not?
Even those who are proper murtaddin?

[Impariclainna]

Salam Alaykum,

I wanted to bring the issue up again since the original question was not really answered: What would be the situation of those who are born as Qadianis and what would be the proper position the Muslim government should take with respect to them?

Would they be considered 'apostates' in the technical sense of the word, or would there be some other ruling in their case?

As per Maulana Yousuf ladhianvi shaheed (RA) in Tohfa- e- Qadianiat (volume # 1), the ruling of zandiq is applicable on all qadianis. A zandiq is a person who deviated from Islam; however call himself muslim and muslim as kaffir i.e like Qadianis do.

All qadianis are considered as zandiq, whether they belong to the first generation (who converted from Islam to qadianism) or born as qadianis in whatever generation.

If an Islamic government catches them for their beliefs, they will be killed immediately, unlike a murtad, three days limit to repent will not be offered to a zandiq. However, if himself repent then it will be accepted.

http://khatm-e-nubuwwat.org/Books/book.htm