[Bvghbopz]

i read that Israr Ahmed does not 'like' them but i cant find anything saying why does anyone know why Jama'at-e-Islami are not 'good'?

[22CreessGah]

i read that Israr Ahmed does not 'like' them but i cant find anything saying why does anyone know why Jama'at-e-Islami are not 'good'?

Dr Israr Ahmed Saheb learned about Islamic renassaince from Maulana Maududi (RA) but then broke away because Maulana Maududi (RA) started participating in Political process (e.g Democracy) which Dr Israr Ahmed considers Shirk.

Dr Israr Ahmed Saheb has written in detail about this matter and his disagreements with both Jamat-e-Islami and Maulana Maududi (RA)...I can't remember the name of the book but I can dig the name up if you want...The book has scathing criticism of both the former and particularly the later...

Maulana Maududi (RA) in turn learned his stuff from Maulana Abul-Kalam Azad (RA) but since Maulana Maududi (RA) was an arrogant and selfish person he never admitted it.

Maulana Abul-Kalam Azad (RA) was a young Ahl-e-Hadeeth (born in Makkah) with immense abilities and a keen mind who was blessed to be in the company of Shaykhul-Hind Maulana Mahmoodul-Hasan Deobandi (RA) and truly aspired to establish Khilafah along the lines of Shaykhul-Hind Maulana Mahmoodul-Hasan Deobandi (RA).

Therefore it is my humble and unqaulified opinion that Muajddid of this century is beyond doubt Shaykhul-Hind Maulana Mahmoodul-Hasan Deobandi (RA)...no other Deobandi Scholar comes close to even talking about Islamic resurgence (politically) and all other scholars (Maulana Ilyas (RA), Hazrat Maulana Asrhaf Ali Thanwi (RA), Hazrat Shaykh Maulana Zakarriya (RA) etc.) all concentrated on personal reformarion (which is no doubt very important)...Dr Israr Ahmed holds the same views about Hazrat Shaykhul-Hind (RA), Deobandi scholars on the other hand consider Dr Israr Ahmed to be misguided...

The love rectangle between Shaykhul-Hind Maulana Mahmoodul-Hasan Deobandi (RA), Shaykhul-Islam Maulana Hussain Ahmed Madani (RA), Maulana Abul-Kalam Azad (RA) and Deobandees (in general) is a long discussion and beyond the pale of this forum...

In short overwhelming majority of Deobandi scholars don't recommend reading the books or listening to the talks of Dr Israr Ahmed.

Allah (SWT) knows best.

[MexicoCity]

Maulana Abul-Kalam Azad (RA) was a young Ahl-e-Hadeeth

it was interesting to know this

as far as i know, he was a sahgird(or took advices) of Moulana Zakariya

from the speeches i have heard from him, he spoke many things which ehle hadith consider it as shirk or kufr

wallahu alam, i should get it confirmed

[22CreessGah]

it was interesting to know this

as far as i know, he was a sahgird(or took advices) of Moulana Zakariya

from the speeches i have heard from him, he spoke many things which ehle hadith consider it as shirk or kufr

wallahu alam, i should get it confirmed

Asslamo Allaikum,

Although Maulana Abul-Kalam Azad (RA) was about 10 years+ older then Hazrat Shaykh Maulana Zakariyya (RA) I am not sure if he was his student in anyway, please let me know where you heard this from as this is interesting.

Maulana Abul-Kalam Azad (RA) wasn't Ahl-e-Hadeeth in the Indian/Pakistani sense of the sect "Ahle-Hadeeth".

By the way if you can read/write Urdu read Al-Hilal...I don't know of any other scholar from the Indian Subcontinent who had such command of Arabic/Urdu/Persian and could switch between three languages so effortlessly. Arabic was his Mother-tongue and he was a Poet in both Urdu and Persian. Maulana Abul-Kalam Azad (RA) writings are something else particularly in his youth (Al-Hilal) when he was young and totally immersed and occupied by Khilafah.

Maulana Abul-Kalam Azad (RA) writings "rock"

[MexicoCity]

Asslamo Allaikum,

Although Maulana Abul-Kalam Azad (RA) was about 10 years+ older then Hazrat Shaykh Maulana Zakariyya (RA) I am not sure if he was his student in anyway, please let me know where you heard this from as this is interesting.

Maulana Abul-Kalam Azad (RA) wasn't Ahl-e-Hadeeth in the Indian/Pakistani sense of the sect "Ahle-Hadeeth".

By the way if you can read/write Urdu read Al-Hilal...I don't know of any other scholar from the Indian Subcontinent who had such command of Arabic/Urdu/Persian and could switch between three languages so effortlessly. Arabic was his Mother-tongue and he was a Poet in both Urdu and Persian. Maulana Abul-Kalam Azad (RA) writings are something else particularly in his youth (Al-Hilal) when he was young and totally immersed and occupied by Khilafah.

Maulana Abul-Kalam Azad (RA) writings "rock"

by shagird i meant(as i have written in bracket above) who takes bayat or takes advices or who admires shiekh like, not a educational student

i heard it from one scholar many days ago, he was telling about the how Moulana Zakariya used to spend his time in the day and how sincere he was in doing amals, so he said once Moulana Abul kalam Azad came to him when Zakariyya was doing his daily amals as he would visit him for advices and the door of his room was closed. Moulana Azad came running to him that day and his shagirds stopped Azad and said zakariyya will not talk to you now, so azad shouted from outside saying, i have come for the welfare of the ummah and not for my personal reasons, some people are after my life and i want your nasihah in this matter, so after some discussions zakariya opens the door

[VodsNittats]

i read that Israr Ahmed does not 'like' them but i cant find anything saying why does anyone know why Jama'at-e-Islami are not 'good'?

If you want to know the details of Dr. Israr saheb, Maududi saheb and Jamaat-e-Islami, then listen to bayaans of Mufti Saeed Ahmed Khan Saheb (db).

[Bvghbopz]

Deobandi scholars on the other hand consider Dr Israr Ahmed to be misguided...

what, really? in all aspects or what? what about this quran tafsir videos?

If you want to know the details of Dr. Israr saheb, Maududi saheb and Jamaat-e-Islami, then listen to bayaans of Mufti Saeed Ahmed Khan Saheb (db).

got a link?

[22CreessGah]

what, really? in all aspects or what? what about this quran tafsir videos?

Asslamo Allaikum,

Here is a Fatwa from Jamia Binori Town Karachi advising to stay away from Tanzeem-e-Islami of Dr Israr Ahmed.

http://www.jamiabinoria.net/efatawa/fatawa/27970.html

[Bvghbopz]

Asslamo Allaikum,

Here is a Fatwa from Jamia Binori Town Karachi advising to stay away from Tanzeem-e-Islami of Dr Israr Ahmed.

http://www.jamiabinoria.net/efatawa/fatawa/27970.html

can you give a brief english translation?

[uncoodync]

http://www.islamibayanaat.com/MuftiS...dPalanpuri.htm
Mufti Saeed's lectures are available there...the Mawdudi lectures might cover the topic.

[Bvghbopz]

http://www.islamibayanaat.com/MuftiS...dPalanpuri.htm
Mufti Saeed's lectures are available there...the Mawdudi lectures might cover the topic.

its in urdu (i dont know urdu... yet), but thanks alot

[Bvghbopz]

Asslamo Allaikum,

Here is a Fatwa from Jamia Binori Town Karachi advising to stay away from Tanzeem-e-Islami of Dr Israr Ahmed.

http://www.jamiabinoria.net/efatawa/fatawa/27970.html

correct me if im wrong, i dont know urdu so i may be wrong, but does that not says something like "its better not to associate with tanzeem because they hold maududi close" but Dr Israr does not, he critiques him does he not? Is it not the same for jamat islami and Dr Israr, once he may of been one of them but now he critiques them

[VodsNittats]

http://www.islamibayanaat.com/MuftiS...dPalanpuri.htm
Mufti Saeed's lectures are available there...the Mawdudi lectures might cover the topic.

I was talking about Mufti Saeed Ahmed Khan saab, but Mufti Saeed Ahmed Palanpuri saab's bayaans are good too.

[casinobonyanes]

If you want to know the details of Dr. Israr saheb, Maududi saheb and Jamaat-e-Islami, then listen to bayaans of Mufti Saeed Ahmed Khan Saheb (db).

Can you please post link to bayaans in which Hazrat Mufti saheb talks about Dr Israr saheb and other things.

[Accecyncphory]

Assalam Alaikum.

Some deobandi ulema are very strict when it comes to Jamaat e Islami. I feel that this is very unjust.

[22CreessGah]

correct me if im wrong, i dont know urdu so i may be wrong, but does that not says something like "its better not to associate with tanzeem because they hold maududi close" but Dr Israr does not, he critiques him does he not? Is it not the same for jamat islami and Dr Israr, once he may of been one of them but now he critiques them

Asslamo Allaikum,


The Fatwa from Jamia Binori Town covers Dr Israr Ahmed by Proxy.

It talks about the opposition of Ulama towards Maulana Maududi (RA) and his errors (which are correct and accurate) and then advises against association with Jamaat-e-Islami because they rely exclusively upon the works of Maulana Maududi (RA) AND THEN it lumps DR Israr Ahmed in the same bracket (e.g. influenced by Maulana Maududi (RA))

Although it is true that Dr Israr Ahmed was inspired by Maulana Maududi (RA) in his youth but he significantly differs with Maulana Maududi (RA) in many respects:

1) Dr Israr Ahmed constantly and continually associates himself with Ulama and asks them for advice and guidance

2) Dr Israr Ahmed wholeheartedly condemns Maulana Maududi (RA) words and writings in the second part of Khilafat-O-Mulookiyat wherein he criticises the Sahaba (RA) and other such places

3) Dr Israr Ahmed wholeheartedly supports many efforts and works of Deobandi Ulama particularly Tableeghi Jamaat, Khatm-e-Nabuwaat and 100% supports Taliban etc.

4) Dr Israr Ahmed appreciates the works of Mufti Taqi Usmani (DB) in detailing and outlining the Non-Shariah aspects of Pakistani constitution and his work in stressing the errors and prohibitions of the banking system

5) Dr Israr Ahmed considers Shaykhul-Hind Maulana Mahmoodul-Hasan Deobandi (RA) as the Mujtahid of the Century and considers a personal honour to be associated with his mission

I have personally read Maulana Maududi (RA) reply to Shaykh Abul-Hasan Nadwi (RA) and others when he was criticised and Maulana Maududi (RA) simply said that “You have your opinion and I have mine and that’s the end of it”…Although the reply is very respectful but it doesn’t address the issues raised…. Dr Israr Ahmed on the other hand goes out of his way to address the concerns of Ulama in his works and writings and works very hard for consolidation.

Dr Israr Ahmed is probably the harshest critic of Maulana Maududi (RA) & Jamaat-e-Islami alive today so its unfair to lump him in the same bracket.

So what’s the problem?

a) Dr Israr Ahmed views about Jihad are contrary to the beliefs of the Ahlus-Sunnah Wal Jamaat as he places severe restrictions on offensive Jihad

b) Dr Israr Ahmed views about evolution and Big Bang are unique and I have not heard them from any other Ahlus-Sunnah Wal-Jamaat scholars...His views about Takween & Khalq don't sit well with me...

c) Dr Israr Ahmed views about Gog-Magog are also unique as he considers the Chinese to be Gog-Magog…similar to Shaykh Imran Hosein who considers White European Jews to be Gog-Magog

Allah (SWT) knows best.

P.S: But his work with the Qur'aan (amongst the general masses) for the last 40 years is phenominal...This is the sort of Public preaching of Qur'aan which has pioneered by Shaykh (Maulana) Ahmed Ali Lahori Deobandi (RA) and picked up by Dr Israr Ahmed.

[Bvghbopz]

Asslamo Allaikum,


The Fatwa from Jamia Binori Town covers Dr Israr Ahmed by Proxy.

It talks about the opposition of Ulama towards Maulana Maududi (RA) and his errors (which are correct and accurate) and then advises against association with Jamaat-e-Islami because they rely exclusively upon the works of Maulana Maududi (RA) AND THEN it lumps DR Israr Ahmed in the same bracket (e.g. influenced by Maulana Maududi (RA))

Although it is true that Dr Israr Ahmed was inspired by Maulana Maududi (RA) in his youth but he significantly differs with Maulana Maududi (RA) in many respects:

1) Dr Israr Ahmed constantly and continually associates himself with Ulama and asks them for advice and guidance

2) Dr Israr Ahmed wholeheartedly condemns Maulana Maududi (RA) words and writings in the second part of Khilafat-O-Mulookiyat wherein he criticises the Sahaba (RA) and other such places

3) Dr Israr Ahmed wholeheartedly supports many efforts and works of Deobandi Ulama particularly Tableeghi Jamaat, Khatm-e-Nabuwaat and 100% supports Taliban etc.

4) Dr Israr Ahmed appreciates the works of Mufti Taqi Usmani (DB) in detailing and outlining the Non-Shariah aspects of Pakistani constitution and his work in stressing the errors and prohibitions of the banking system

5) Dr Israr Ahmed considers Shaykhul-Hind Maulana Mahmoodul-Hasan Deobandi (RA) as the Mujtahid of the Century and considers a personal honour to be associated with his mission

I have personally read Maulana Maududi (RA) reply to Shaykh Abul-Hasan Nadwi (RA) and others when he was criticised and Maulana Maududi (RA) simply said that “You have your opinion and I have mine and that’s the end of it”…Although the reply is very respectful but it doesn’t address the issues raised…. Dr Israr Ahmed on the other hand goes out of his way to address the concerns of Ulama in his works and writings and works very hard for consolidation.

Dr Israr Ahmed is probably the harshest critic of Maulana Maududi (RA) & Jamaat-e-Islami alive today so its unfair to lump him in the same bracket.

So what’s the problem?

a) Dr Israr Ahmed views about Jihad are contrary to the beliefs of the Ahlus-Sunnah Wal Jamaat as he places severe restrictions on offensive Jihad

b) Dr Israr Ahmed views about evolution and Big Bang are unique and I have not heard them from any other Ahlus-Sunnah Wal-Jamaat scholars...His views about Takween & Khalq don't sit well with me...

c) Dr Israr Ahmed views about Gog-Magog are also unique as he considers the Chinese to be Gog-Magog…similar to Shaykh Imran Hosein who considers White European Jews to be Gog-Magog

Allah (SWT) knows best.

P.S: But his work with the Qur'aan (amongst the general masses) for the last 40 years is phenominal...This is the sort of Public preaching of Qur'aan which has pioneered by Shaykh (Maulana) Ahmed Ali Lahori Deobandi (RA) and picked up by Dr Israr Ahmed.

Thank you for your reply; to conclude he may have some issues, the three which you have stated, however his other works are 'good', right?

[22CreessGah]

Thank you for your reply; to conclude he may have some issues, the three which you have stated, however his other works are 'good', right?

Asslamo Allaikum,

I personally read his books and listen to his talks (particularly his Jummah Khutbah) but many Ulama advise to stay away from him and his works.

So you should consult the matter with the Ulama whom you follow and seek their advice as I do the same.

As far as errors are concerned... No one is perfect

[Accecyncphory]

however his other works are 'good', right?

Assalam Alaikum.

I have heard Doctor Israr extensively. All i can say is that, don't listen to him about Fiqhi matters. Otherwise, he is fine. I really appreciate Doctor Sahib, and his devotion to Quran.

[VodsNittats]

Can you please post link to bayaans in which Hazrat Mufti saheb talks about Dr Israr saheb and other things.

www.seerat.net. I'm on the email list of one of the murideen of Hazrat Mufti Saeed Ahmed Khan. I'll email him and see if I can get the exact bayaan.