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Old 11-02-2011, 08:53 AM   #1
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To those of you have non-Muslim friends, how do you accept and approve the idea that, according to your own faith non-Muslims will be spending the rest of eternity in pain and suffering whilst you will rejoice in paradise?

Do you just ignore this? Do you accept it with a certain degree of sadness? Does it make you happy?

I wouldn't be able to live with myself if my governing ideology dictated that my friends who believed different things than me would be punished for ever while I would be rewarded.
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Old 11-02-2011, 09:21 AM   #2
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Bismillah
If muslims dont care, I dont think there would be dawah. If Prophet SAW didnt care, we might not have sahabahs RA and if sahabahs (RA) didnt care, I don't think there would be any muslims as we see in this world today. To the maximum, muslims can give dawah and pray for them and if they dont accept Islam, who can be blamed? It is not the muslims who destined jannah and hell but it is the Lord of all the creations, the only One who has the right to be worshipped. It is His will to reward or punish people according to their acceptance or rejection and muslims simply submit to the will of Allah SWT. If non-muslims worry about ending up in hell, they should accept islam and if they dont care to accept, then these sort of questions doesnt make much sense as muslims don't push them into hell. Muslims can only convey the message to the best of their ability, pray for the guidance of non-muslims and guidance is purely in hands of Allah SWT. What else muslims can do if non-muslims dont accept islam and end up in hell for it is their own choice. Allahu alam. Let Allah SWT guide us all. Amin
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Old 11-02-2011, 09:57 AM   #3
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To those of you have non-Muslim friends, how do you accept and approve the idea that, according to your own faith non-Muslims will be spending the rest of eternity in pain and suffering whilst you will rejoice in paradise?

Do you just ignore this? Do you accept it with a certain degree of sadness? Does it make you happy?

I wouldn't be able to live with myself if my governing ideology dictated that my friends who believed different things than me would be punished for ever while I would be rewarded.
We Muslims would be asked in the judgement day if we have conveyed the message of Islam to our non-muslim friends. It's not just an obligation upon us, it's our sincerest suggestion that the non-muslim would study Islam. But we can't do anything if our friends reject Islam since the choice is a personal choice and the person is solely responsible for it.

By all means, Pratibha Parmar, please do study Islam, and we pray that you may accept Islam as your faith. There'll be obstacles along the way in living as a Muslim but just know that even we Muslims are still learning to be the best Muslim who lives according to the manners shown by the Prophet .

Regarding the Prophet , we are aware of the various slander against him , and you can find the refutations here. Then you will understand why we strive to emulate his manner in our lives.
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:02 AM   #4
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To those of you have non-Muslim friends, how do you accept and approve the idea that, according to your own faith non-Muslims will be spending the rest of eternity in pain and suffering whilst you will rejoice in paradise?

Do you just ignore this? Do you accept it with a certain degree of sadness? Does it make you happy?

I wouldn't be able to live with myself if my governing ideology dictated that my friends who believed different things than me would be punished for ever while I would be rewarded.
I just hope they realise the truth and die with it. Those who have passed away without the light of Islam have done so as God's Decree, and God's Decree is Just, even if you yourself may not see it's justice

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Old 11-02-2011, 12:15 PM   #5
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This question is rather misleading.

As someone who converted to Islam, I retrospectively realize that it took many years for me to formally convert to Islam. While the Muslim who introduced me Islam only had to mention a few things about Islam, I personally had engaged in years of spiritual inquiry, searching, study. And the same applies to most converts.

No one knows the ultimate destination of any of us: Jannah or Naar.
And no Muslim knows if a nonMuslim will go to Naar/Hell.
And no Muslim knows if a nonMuslim will eventually convert to Islam years after encountering him/her.
And no one is the 'shepherd' of another's Nafs/SELF/soul.

That said, what is more important for any Muslim is that he/she retains belief in the correct concept of the Aqidah, rather than change his/her beliefs to suit the whims and emotions of others.

And Allah knows best.
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Old 11-02-2011, 05:09 PM   #6
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To those of you have non-Muslim friends, how do you accept and approve the idea that, according to your own faith non-Muslims will be spending the rest of eternity in pain and suffering whilst you will rejoice in paradise?

Do you just ignore this? Do you accept it with a certain degree of sadness? Does it make you happy?

I wouldn't be able to live with myself if my governing ideology dictated that my friends who believed different things than me would be punished for ever while I would be rewarded. Why should it make me upset? This is not a right within my scope, that I can forgive it if I wish, or that if I do not forgive it then it would eat at me for eternity. If any person was introduced to Islam and rejected it, then it is Allah's right to do with Him as He pleases, since it falls under His right. (The rights of the creation will undoubtedly be affected in here as well, but first Allah does with Him as He wills since the priority is with Allah, and then if the payment for this is fulfilled, then the right of creation comes up next.) And He has informed us that the one who purposefully rejects Islam after being introduced to it will be in Hellfire forever.

As a counter-question, do the Hindus feel happy when they consider that we Muslims have , according to them, lived possibly millions and billions of rebirths, and that in our present Muslim state we will just keep going on and on in the "Hell" of rebirths for possibly billions of more times? How do they live with themselves if this is their governing ideology?

(I have to say that this is not a major issue, and I have mentioned this a number of times before, but since it keeps on coming up again and again, then I answer it whenever possible)
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Old 11-02-2011, 07:50 PM   #7
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To those of you have non-Muslim friends, how do you accept and approve the idea that, according to your own faith non-Muslims will be spending the rest of eternity in pain and suffering whilst you will rejoice in paradise?

Do you just ignore this? Do you accept it with a certain degree of sadness? Does it make you happy?

I wouldn't be able to live with myself if my governing ideology dictated that my friends who believed different things than me would be punished for ever while I would be rewarded.
I wanted to ask you something else... quran does not give muslims any sureness that you will be in paradise yourselves.
the only way to be sure of paradise is to die as a martyr - otherwise you can NEVER know whether you will be in paradise or not. That is why many muslims fear death and die in trembling as to what will happen to them.
in christianity it is the opposite, the death of Christ on the Cross is a historical fact and christians are SURE that when they die they will go to heaven to be with the Lord Jesus for ever.
dont you think it is fair and good of Allah to treat his followers this way and loking at them as they die in agony and terrible fear since he didnt provide muslims with salvation?
secondly, Jesus is a living God and He touches the lives of people, He heals them, blesses them financially, helps them, guides them and speaks to them. Allah is a far awaya and a distant remote god and he is not invlved in thelives of muslims in any practical way then how can you even be sure he exists?
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Old 11-02-2011, 08:00 PM   #8
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Karina, if Isa is God (naudhubillah), why did he say:

"The Father is Greater than I" John 14:28.

Why did the people say in Matthew 9:8 after the sins of the man were forgiven and Isa supposedly said that he had been given the authority to forgive sin-
"When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe; and they praised God, who had given such authority to men."

Why did Isa say (maybe he said it, maybe he didn't) "Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except God alone." Luke 18:19.

Why did Isa say (perhaps) in Matthew 17:20 that "He replied, "Because you have so little faith. I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."

Hmm.
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Old 11-02-2011, 08:12 PM   #9
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karina,

I have a question for you (and no I'm not trying to be smart). This is a good question posed during a debate between a Muslim debater vs a Priest.

Did Jesus die as a god? Or did he die as a man?

If he died as a god, then god actually dies? Surely a dead god is not a god at all.

If he died as a man, then why keep telling everyone that it was god who died when in fact it was a man who died?
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Old 11-02-2011, 08:16 PM   #10
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I wanted to ask you something else... quran does not give muslims any sureness that you will be in paradise yourselves.
the only way to be sure of paradise is to die as a martyr - otherwise you can NEVER know whether you will be in paradise or not. That is why many muslims fear death and die in trembling as to what will happen to them.
in christianity it is the opposite, the death of Christ on the Cross is a historical fact and christians are SURE that when they die they will go to heaven to be with the Lord Jesus for ever.
dont you think it is fair and good of Allah to treat his followers this way and loking at them as they die in agony and terrible fear since he didnt provide muslims with salvation?
secondly, Jesus is a living God and He touches the lives of people, He heals them, blesses them financially, helps them, guides them and speaks to them. Allah is a far awaya and a distant remote god and he is not invlved in thelives of muslims in any practical way then how can you even be sure he exists?
Dear sister,

It does seem that you have a very ill-conceived understanding of what Muslims actually believe about God. Importantly, A Muslim is constantly in a state of balance between hope and fear. Yes, one may tremble and be fearful of the prospect of death as one does not know what Allah will judge to happen for that person, however Muslims actually do know that whoever testifies in Allah and His Prophet with sincerity, they will be granted a place in Paradise, though they may have to spend some time in Hellfire first to account for the sins that they did. We are told that "Allah's mercy precedes His wrath", and it is actually sinful to despair in the Mercy of Allah, no matter what sin you have committed, as the Qur'an tells us that Allah is the most merciful of the merciful.

Further, what must be remembered is that Christians, Muslims and Jews actually all believe in the same God - Allah is simply the Arabic word for God, just as the french say Dieu. Christian Arabs and Jews use the word Allah, which can be seen if one reads an Arabic version of the bible. It is just our conception of God in which we differ. Allah is not distant in any way as you claim. He is transcendent over all things, and there is nothing whatsoever like unto Him. However, He is a loving Creator, an Immanent Lord who is closer to us than our jugular vein (as stated in the Qur'an). Rather than confessing through religious leaders, every single muslim has a deeply personal relationship with God, and we supplicate to Him night and day, and the very purpose of our existence and of our worship is to draw close to Him and love Him as He loves us. Allah is maintaining our lives at this very moment, I wouldn't be able to type this post right now were it not for the limbs that He has blessed me with, and with the understanding of the English language and of basic Islamic beliefs that He has endowed me with through His grace and generosity.

Muslims revere Jesus as a noble Prophet, one of the greatest Prophets sent by God to earth. However it is not befitting that He, the Almighty, should have a son, or any partner in any way. He is Exalted beyond anything that can be described as being like Him. If all Christians are sure they will go to Paradise, then what accountability is there? One could sin and do all sorts, and simply by proclaiming Jesus to be his/her lord they are then not accountable for anything? In Islam each individual human being has a close and intimate relationship with God, and is accountable to Him for every single action, every living moment, and will be questioned for every single thing He did. As for the crucifixion being a historical fact, this is something that is highly disputed... and many historians have discussed the matter in more detail than I am capable to expound upon here.

And Allah knows best
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Old 11-02-2011, 08:26 PM   #11
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karina,

I have a question for you (and no I'm not trying to be smart). This is a good question posed during a debate between a Muslim debater vs a Priest.

Did Jesus die as a god? Or did he die as a man?

If he died as a god, then god actually dies? Surely a dead god is not a god at all.

If he died as a man, then why keep telling everyone that it was god who died when in fact it was a man who died?
That was a smart question.

I think, the same question can be posed to Hindus who take Human figures like Ram, Shiva and Krishna etc as their Lord.

Assalaam'aaleykum!
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Old 11-02-2011, 08:32 PM   #12
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in christianity it is the opposite, the death of Christ on the Cross is a historical fact and christians are SURE that when they die they will go to heaven to be with the Lord Jesus for ever.
dont you think it is fair and good of Allah to treat his followers this way and loking at them as they die in agony and terrible fear since he didnt provide muslims with salvation?
secondly, Jesus is a living God and He touches the lives of people, He heals them, blesses them financially, helps them, guides them and speaks to them. Allah is a far awaya and a distant remote god and he is not invlved in thelives of muslims in any practical way then how can you even be sure he exists?
i know of alot of christians who are terrified of death, so that statement is not exactly true. and since you believe that jesus died and is in heaven, how does he heal people, bless them financially, speak to them ect...? and a muslim believes that ALLAH is closer to him/her than his/her jugular vein because the Qur'aan makes mention of that...

honestly, i find your faith quite strange, jesus believed in ALLAH and instructed people to believe in HIM and worship HIM alone, you believe that jesus is God, but you don't obey HIM by worshipping and beleiving in WHO he woshipped and instucted people to worship! strange indeed... looks like you guys are trying to be smarter than jesus, by showing that "We know better who to take as GOD than you do! (na'oodhubillah)

and we muslims BELIEVE in ALLAH alone as GOD and believe with conviction that for whatever difficulties or tests we go through in this world we will be reawarded in paradise for it, no matter how small or trivial the test may be, so thats the reason muslims don't look at difficulties as a punishment and try to endure them patiently knowing that their rewards are accumalating in the hereafter.

BUT don't the christians and people who believe in jesus as GOD ever suffer and go through difficulties???????
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Old 11-02-2011, 09:28 PM   #13
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Karina, if Isa is God (naudhubillah), why did he say:

"The Father is Greater than I" John 14:28.

Why did the people say in Matthew 9:8 after the sins of the man were forgiven and Isa supposedly said that he had been given the authority to forgive sin-
"When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe; and they praised God, who had given such authority to men."

Why did Isa say (maybe he said it, maybe he didn't) "Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except God alone." Luke 18:19.

Why did Isa say (perhaps) in Matthew 17:20 that "He replied, "Because you have so little faith. I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."

Hmm.
Thank you for your reply
So, first thing: Jesus came to the earth as a mere man. He left His divinity in heaven and after He was raised from the dead He returned to heaven to the same glory that He had had: "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. " (John 17:5)
Jesus came as a man, having human body and He came to serve and die. It was His very purpose in His coming to the earth: to DIE for humanity. That is why He had to leave His divinity in heaven because as God He is undestructable and eternal. So He took a body of humans and became a man and His body was killed. For you. Fo rme. For hitler. For muhammad. for everybody. so that we could be saved.
as a mere man (who left His divinity in heaven) He was limited by His body so of course the Father was greater than Jesus because the Father was not in the human body and was not limited in any way.
But look what Jesus says abut Himself (and He is sinless and never lies): "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. " (Rev 1:8) - Jesus says He is GOD ALMIGHTY.

second question of yours: Jesus came to die for us people and only AFTER His death on the Cross were our sins FORGIVEN and PAID FOR but Jesus received authority to forgive sins of people even before He died on the Cross. The purpose of His coming was to remove and blot out all sins of the whole world.

about Luke 18:19 - Jesus talked to a man who honored Jesus but he was too attached to his possessions and money to obey Jesus and he was hypocritical because he believed in the goodness of Jesus and at the same time couldnt trust that what Jesus told him (sell all of your goods and give it to the poor) will turn out for good to him.

about: Math 17:20
YES, ALL is possible for christians
everything within the will of God
we TOO can walk on the water as Jesus did
we too can make miracles
we too can create things
just like Jesus did it
because when we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior then He comes to dwell in our hearts and we become children of God and the almighty God LIVES in our hearts. He enables us to live a supernatural, sickness free life.
Of course, as life shows it, this doesnt happen authomatically in the lives of christians
however there are so many many miracles happening in the churches and individual lives of the children of God
but the more we change our minds according to the Word of God (to think like God says in the Bible) the more of His LIFE is released in and through us
God raises people from the dead, heals all kinds of sicknesses, delivers from the satanic oppressions, talks to us, guides us - it is a normal christian life (something unknown to muslims since islam is just a set of rules, regulations and restrictions and ready made prayers)
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Old 11-02-2011, 09:40 PM   #14
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That's my point, the Bible is self-contradictory.

Isa flat-out says "Why are you attributing to me something that is attributed to God, only God has this (goodness)" And you say 'well this means blarghyblarghyblurghington,"

Alas! What foolishness that anyone would accept a doctrine as absurd as the trinity which has no textual basis. When Tawhid is simple, lucid, and clear.

People say "The Trinity is a mystery because God is a mystery, it is necessary to have faith in it but understanding it is impossible,"
But Paul said: "God is not the author of confusion," (Corinthians 14). It is more logical for Tawhid to be true than the trinity because Tawhid is not confusing, while the trinity is.

Isa was supposedly tempted by the devil? (Mark I) So God can be tempted by the devil?
Alternately, your translation of this idea- Isa was human on earth and God in the heavens (naudhubillah).
To that, I would reply- this invalidates the sacrifice, because it would have been just as simple for God to create a human who was sinless for the same purpose- so if a sinless human can die for the sins of the world (as this is what you claim happened) then John 3:16 is incoherent.
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Old 11-02-2011, 09:56 PM   #15
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first of all: pride cannot be bad in islam if allah is proud. the Bible says that God is lowly and humble and that is why it is His character and we His children are supposed to be humble and lowly too. BUT if allah is proud then it seems that in islam pride is good. so muslims CAN be proud and that is good - otheriwse allah is schizophrenic and uses double standards and measurements. right?
secondly, abraham never enquired about his parents's status. quran was written 600 years after the completion of the Bible so it should stick to the truth and facts of the Bible. right? Abraham offered isaac to God, not ismael. ismael was thrown away from abraham's home.
thirdly, the point IS that we christians DO know that we already ARE saved. it is not about our pride here but about the LOVE of God. God loved us THAT much that He provided us with salvation and He redeemed us from sins and their consequences. allah never redeemed muslims and that is why they tremble and fear of their future. and quran says that sometimes allah deprives people of his grace so you never know what he is going to do, right? since he is so unpredictable...
one of allah's names is deceiver so you are constantly deceived about your life and future. i dont see any mercy in that. do you?
fourthly, we christians are made children of God and you muslims are called slaves of allah. can you see the difference in the approach?
If God is love then which god does really show His LOVE?? the answer is obvious...
Jesus IS God. Jesus is not God’s Son in the sense of a human father and a son. God did not get married and have a son. God did not mate with Mary and, together with her, produce a son. Jesus is God’s Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form (John 1:1, 14). Jesus is God's Son in that He was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit. Luke 1:35 declares, “The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.’"
God is a Triune God - and He is ONE GOD only.

the same with you: you may be a brother and a father and a worker at the same time. one person, three roles.
God is ONE and God is Triune.
christians worship ONE GOD only
BUT in islam you deify a man (muhammad) whom you call the praised one and the glorious one
also in christianity when we get born again (accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, our spirit gets regenerated and our nature changes) we simply BELIEVE in Jesus. we dont have to say that Jesus is Lord and ezecheil is His prophet or Isaiah is His prophet
but in islam in order to become a muslim you HAVE TO say that allah is god and muhammad his prophet... saying that muhammad is a a prophet is necessary to
become a muslim...you deify a man... also muhammad never performed any miracle (unlike Jesus Christ the Messiah) but islam says that he split the moon - so in order to do it (i assume he must have gone there on the flying carpet) islam has to deify muhammad
so muslims worship allah, muslims worship muhammad a mere man (warner only) and also muslims worship Kaaba - the black stone. the definition of worship is kiss, revere, bow down to and muslims do it all.... you pray to the black stone 5 times a day, you walk around it 7 times and expect the stone TO FORGIVE !!! you your sins, you kiss it and bow down to its image... that is worship even if you deny that but your actions speak louder than your words...


Sister
Prophet SAW was sadden and Prophet Abram used to enquire about his parents status in the hereafter.
The point is there is no gurantee we muslim will be entered into paradise as one can't gurantee if they will be raised as a beliver or not. It is sheer mercy of Allah and not our choice.
The second point to grasp this life in reality is not a play thing (though most of us behave as if it is ours to live) and as such purpose is to recognise why we exist - exist as no more then humble servent of God, Unique in every sense, who begets none and nor is he begotten. Failing to realise this is a calamaty worse then anythingelse and price is punishment in the hereafter. The question is how we go about finding the pristine concept of God. It is not for us to question the sense of Justice if we do the greatest of injustice of not recognising puropose of existance which is to know God and example set for us.
As for the inhabitants of Paradise, this is the reward from Allah, the most beneficent, the most merciful and not of their own doing in reality.
There is no beleif in the heart of one who is arrogant and proud.
Allahualam
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:03 PM   #16
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Well, you're clearly insane. Perhaps the obligation of Islam is lifted from you due to insanity, though this I doubt.

Stop praying to Isa who was a man.
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:15 PM   #17
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there is no contradiction there
it is just a description of a certain situation
for that man selling his property was too much and that is why he doubted in the instructions of Jesus but he had earlier come to Jesus to give him salvation.
Jesus showed him his heart's attitude (which in christinaity are more important than actions themselves)

Trinity is not any absurdity
you may be a brother and a father and a worker at the same time. one person, three roles.
God is ONE and God is Triune.
christians worship ONE GOD only
BUT in islam you deify a man (muhammad) whom you call the praised one and the glorious one
also in christianity when we get born again (accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, our spirit gets regenerated and our nature changes) we simply BELIEVE in Jesus. we dont have to say that Jesus is Lord and ezecheil is His prophet or Isaiah is His prophet
but in islam in order to become a muslim you HAVE TO say that allah is god and muhammad his prophet... saying that muhammad is a a prophet is necessary to
become a muslim...you deify a man... also muhammad never performed any miracle (unlike Jesus Christ the Messiah) but islam says that he split the moon - so in order to do it (i assume he must have gone there on the flying carpet) islam has to deify muhammad
so muslims worship allah, muslims worship muhammad a mere man (warner only) and also muslims worship Kaaba - the black stone. the definition of worship is kiss, revere, bow down to and muslims do it all.... you pray to the black stone 5 times a day, you walk around it 7 times and expect the stone TO FORGIVE !!! you your sins, you kiss it and bow down to its image... that is worship even if you deny that but your actions speak louder than your words...

what people say about Trinity is not important at all. people have all kinds of ideas and opinions and they change them very often...
but what counts is the Bible
and the Bible clearly shows us from the first verses of the first book of the first chapter that God is Triune

Jesus came to the earth as a mere man and the devil came to temp (which is test) Jesus.
we ALL are subject to testing, grading, measuring, calculations.
tests and tempations show what is really in our hearts
the devil came to test Jesus because the devil knew what was the purpose of Jesus and he knew that Jesus is GOD and all the testings of the devil were purposed to undermine the divinity of Jesus... but of course Jesus is and was a Victorer in that
God is omnipresent and omnipotent and i dont see any problem that God the Father was in heaven and Jesus came to the earth in the flesh.
nothing invalidates the sacrifice of Jesus
Jesus saved us and His offering is available for you even now
God said that the wage of sin is death and God NEVER breaks His Word. never (unlike allah) so when He said that the wage of sin is death then either people (you and me) would have to die for our sins or Jesus came willingly to take all sins of the world upon Himself and He died IN OUR PLACE.... because of His immense love for humanity (uncomprehensible and unconditional)
God couldnt create a human being who would be sinless because He had already arranged that people are born from adam and eve and after adam and eve have sinned their nature became sinful and corrupt. God never breaks His promises and words. the ONLY way to redeem the world was by coming of a person with the human body (because the earth was given to people with human bodies) to pay in His body for the sins of the world
the Bible is amazingly logical and from the first book of the Bible to the very last one God speaks about salvation of people through Jesus
so John 3:16 is very very coherent and consistent with the whole message of the Bible talking about salvation of people through the redemption we receive IN Jesus Christ the Son of God


That's my point, the Bible is self-contradictory.

Isa flat-out says "Why are you attributing to me something that is attributed to God, only God has this (goodness)" And you say 'well this means blarghyblarghyblurghington,"

Alas! What foolishness that anyone would accept a doctrine as absurd as the trinity which has no textual basis. When Tawhid is simple, lucid, and clear.

People say "The Trinity is a mystery because God is a mystery, it is necessary to have faith in it but understanding it is impossible,"
But Paul said: "God is not the author of confusion," (Corinthians 14). It is more logical for Tawhid to be true than the trinity because Tawhid is not confusing, while the trinity is.

Isa was supposedly tempted by the devil? (Mark I) So God can be tempted by the devil?
Alternately, your translation of this idea- Isa was human on earth and God in the heavens (naudhubillah).
To that, I would reply- this invalidates the sacrifice, because it would have been just as simple for God to create a human who was sinless for the same purpose- so if a sinless human can die for the sins of the world (as this is what you claim happened) then John 3:16 is incoherent.
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:22 PM   #18
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look sis, there is no compulsion in religion.

The truth is as clear as day light and it's up to you to accept or reject whats has been explained to you, But keep in mind that a person who keeps his eyes closed will never see light even if it's shining right in his face!

may ALLAH bestow upon you the great and priceless treasure of Imaan.

AMEEN.
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Old 11-02-2011, 11:02 PM   #19
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Thank you for your reply
So, first thing: Jesus came to the earth as a mere man. He left His divinity in heaven and after He was raised from the dead He returned to heaven to the same glory that He had had: "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. " (John 17:5)
Jesus came as a man, having human body and He came to serve and die.
LOL so your saying that God ceased to be God for 33 years, in order to relieve humanity of its suffering (even though it is yet still suffering in terms of the physical world) even though God could have done that in any other way He pleases, and you say God left His Divinity in a physical location, as if His Divinity is seperable from Him (so you are saying He is made from more than one part). Do you realise the logical absurdities you must have to accept to believe this?

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Old 11-02-2011, 11:03 PM   #20
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And for your information, the Muslims are guaranteed Paradise, as long as they die Muslim... so you were wrong in your first post

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