[Marlboro-oroblraM]

The age of Hadhrat Ayesha is one issue in which people who want to cast aspersions on the supreme character of Rasulullah always use. We proudly proclaim that he married her when she was 9. This is the authentic age according to the authentic tarikhs.

In the same vein as the orientalists tried to cast doubt on the authenticity of Hadith by stating that they were only written two hunderd years after Rasulullah therefore they cannot be relied upon this is one of their other ruses.

Allah Ta'ala has informed us that Rasulullah 's had "khuluqun azeem" this is more than enough to dispel any waswasa that are aimed at Muslims.

We do not need to make excuses to justify this.

[Squeernemergo]

We do not need to make excuses to justify this.

Absolutely.

The age bar wasn't so high (18 years) around 100 years back. It was very low for thousands of years. The problem is people do not know history very well.

[DiatryDal]

Why would the enemies of Islam have to forge any such thing? Marriages at such a young age were not uncommon during those times.

Islam is for ALL times. What rules apply then would apply now. We don't change the rules with the times. So let me ask you a question and please be honest. Would you give your daughter away at the age of 6 ?

[Kolovorotkes]

No I probably would not because of my weak nafs, not because I disagree that Ayesha was married at 6.

[Arr34ston]

Actually some ulema have refuted that Aisha (RA) was 9 years old, when married.

There has been some detailed analysis done by some ulema, and it is proven that Aisha (RA) was actually 19 when married.

[WaydayTew]

Islam is for ALL times. What rules apply then would apply now. We don't change the rules with the times. So let me ask you a question and please be honest. Would you give your daughter away at the age of 6 ?

salam alikum,
yes islam is for all times, but as a complex and not to take only one or some parts.. so we have to consider also situation that time and conditinons nowdays

w salam

[DiatryDal]

No I probably would not because of my weak nafs, not because I disagree that Ayesha was married at 6.

I think your being just stubborn now. Its got nothing to do with weak nafs. I have spoken to scholars and very pious people who are strong in faith and even they said they wouldn't. I agre with the other brother regarding Aisha's age and she must hve been in her teens at the very least. I think most of you would accept it if Bukhari it was said she was 2 years old !

[Kolovorotkes]

I think your being just stubborn now. Its got nothing to do with weak nafs. I have spoken to scholars and very pious people who are strong in faith and even they said they wouldn't. I agre with the other brother regarding Aisha's age and she must hve been in her teens at the very least. I think most of you would accept it if Bukhari it was said she was 2 years old !

Think as you wish. It's a growing trend on Sunniforum for members to have kashf about what goes on in the minds of others.

[DiatryDal]

Think as you wish. It's a growing trend on Sunniforum for members to have kashf about what goes on in the minds of others.

So if it was in Bukhari that Aisha was 2 years old when she got married, would you still accept it?

[Marlboro-oroblraM]

@brother oblivion - Your comment that people would believe Sahih Bukhari if it said two years old then let me state that yes I would believe it. Have you criticially analysed the chains of all the narrations in Bukhari to make an opposite assertion. Provide your proof of at least one narration in Sahih Bukhari that you consider to be academically false. Do you know the criteria that Imam Bukhari used in compiling his Sahih? Do you know the lengths he undertook to ascertain the authenticity of the narrators? Do you know the science of Asma wa Rijal? Are you able to critically analyse all the different Isnad in the hadiths he has quoted? To not believe in the authenticity of a Hadith just becasue you do not agree with the statements quoted in it is in no shape or form an academic argument.

If not then follow the advice of Rasulullah Speak well or be silent.

Your logic is inherently faulty. Just because Hadhrat Ayesha was able to be married at the age of 6 and then consummated the marriage with Rasulullah at 9 does not mean that it is has become necessary for people to follow this. She was an exceptional lady and an exceptional talent. Her mental aptitude, fortitude, asecticism and maturity were beyond question. She was fully able to withstand the austerity of living with Nabi of Allah Ta'ala. Does that mean that just because sister Sudoku, myself or other countless pious ulama do not give their daughter in marriage at that age that they are doing wrong? Provide evidence from the Shariah stating otherwise.

My daughter is seven years old and I know for a fact that she is not mature enough or capable enough of marrying in two years time. However, I will follow the instruction of Rasulullah in that once your daughters are of marriageable age (which in the Shariat of Allah Ta'ala is from 9 if the girl is mature enough) and a good proposal arrives or I find a deeni boy then I will marry her as soon as possible.

[Kolovorotkes]

So if it was in Bukhari that Aisha was 2 years old when she got married, would you still accept it?

Perhaps you've mistaken me for a Salafi. I don't just pick up hadeeth books and pick and choose what I like. I do not have the right to do so.

In any case, your question is moot.

[Squeernemergo]

[B]

Firstly, I would like to say that, just because it's written in hadith (sunni or shia) books, doesn't neccesarry mean it has to be 100% true. Hadith books were written many years after the Holy Prophet (s) passed away.

*cough* hadith rejector *cough*

[BigBobdd]

When the average human life expectancy is in the 20s, getting married at 9 isn't such a stretch, is it? Back in those days, people matured psychologically a lot faster. There was childhood, which was brief, and if you survived to be old enough, you became an adult. Adolescence is a societal construct of the 20th century.

If I had a daughter who was physically and psychologically ready to get married at 9, and she was willing to get married, why would I have a problem with it?

[DiatryDal]

Did i say i reject them? I was simply stating a fact. We are human and we all make mistakes.

[HarryMet]

The real question should be if Rasoolullah asked to marry your daughter of 6, would you?

[kaiayout]

Did i say i reject them? I was simply stating a fact. We are human and we all make mistakes.

And it's a simple fact that academic mistakes of those deeply grounded in knowledge are way different from the mistakes of the ignorant.

[Maryjasmine]

The real question should be if Rasoolullah asked to marry your daughter of 6, would you?

[Squeernemergo]

People are so engrossed in current culture they forget how people lived in the past. The Mushrik accused our beloved Prophet of whatever came to their mind. But they never accused Him of marrying Aisha at the age of 9years. Because it was a norm in that time. Also we should look at the fact IT WAS A NORM FOR 1000s OF YEARS. Until a few decades ago, marriages were conducted at a very young age group.

[Creelaleps]

i am trying to locate one thread...in which two replies are very intellectual...

i will try to post it soon...inshallah!

[Squeernemergo]

i am trying to locate one thread...in which two replies are very intellectual...which shuts the mouth of everyone...

i will try to post it soon...inshallah!

Here i ve quoted it:




QUOTE= verdana: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post603851

In hot countries girls tend to reach their puberty earlier than others. This is well known fact. Even today, in Saudi or some other countries you can find 9-year old mothers with 2 children. The age to become a mother is designed, written, proposed and implemented by the very architect of our bodies, that's our Creator, although man-made laws would come up with superstitious impractical numbers.

The marriage of Prophet (s.a.w) to Aysha (r.anha) was decreed by Allah through inspirational dreams that the prophet saw. The dreams of the prophets are wahy', and wahy' is a divine command, similar to the command given to prophet Ibrahim (a.s) to slaughter his son Ismail (a.s). The fact that Aysha (r.anha) was young with a brilliant inquisitive mind and powerful memory, to later on convey all what she'd learned from her noble husband (s.a.w) in general, and in particular his intimate relations and behaviors within household, are to be count among some wisdom of this marriage.

Having said this, I don't deny or refuse to abide by the laws of the countries we reside in. These are two different things.


QUOTE= abuhajira http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post604333



following on that suggestion that Nabi would marry her and not consummate that marriage, precisely what age should the wife be when a husband can consummate the marriage without having to be answerable for it?

A more probing question would be, how do you think our Fiqh and Islamic rules would evolve for today, if we assume that Nabi had not consummated the marriage? Do you think any madhab (School of thought) would allow consummating with a 9/10 year old female who is completely mature, able to bear children, desirous of relationship by token of being baligh. Afterall Rasulullah did not, then it must be impermissible.

My point is, that Rasulullah doing so also establishes a ruling of shariah, that consummation does not depend on age rather the ability of girl to consummate and bear children.

Another point to ponder, just something to tantalize those neurons. According to Western law normally age of consensual relation is 18. What makes 17 years and 364 days not eligible for the woman to make her private choice, and suddenly the birthday bells give her that ability?

You can also twist this matter into Islamic question. The surety of buloogh (maturity) is at the age of 15 lunar (14.5 solar) years. What makes her mature a moment after her 15th year? and not before then?