[UvjqTVVC]

what did ghaddafi do that made his people turn against him?

can we please list them all.........with proofs and references if possible.

btw please dont get emotional. keep it academic.

[ovH9wfSJ]

what did ghaddafi do that made his people turn against him?

can we please list them all.........with proofs and references if possible.

btw please dont get emotional. keep it academic.

Isn't this haraam, aren't suppose to cover the sins of muslim, not expose them. I mean, you want us to focus on the sins of another muslims. He may have commit crimes, if he was alive, it seems that such would only be permissible for a judge, lawyer and those who are involved.

I don't how this would be permissible for the common muslim, nor do I know the benefit it would bring.

[THOUTHCAW]

Well said...

There should be a thread named: Let's discuss our own Crimes

[Squeernemergo]

There is a full chapter on Riyadus Saliheen named: Veiling the faults of Muslims and the prohibition against divulging them without necessity

[UvjqTVVC]

Isn't this haraam, aren't suppose to cover the sins of muslim, not expose them. I mean, you want us to focus on the sins of another muslims. He may have commit crimes, if he was alive, it seems that such would only be permissible for a judge, lawyer and those who are involved.

I don't how this would be permissible for the common muslim, nor do I know the benefit it would bring.

im sorry but can you please highlight the part where i said i wanted to judge his crimes.

i want to find out if his people had a real justification to rebel against him or if the rebellion was instigated by outside influences for an ulterior motive. anyone that wants to stick their head in the sand can move along and go to another thread. if you dont like this thread then go please. this includes moulana taliban and amr.

seeing that this thread has already gone off topic from the very first reply, can any of you accusing me of trying to judge ghaddafi actually show me where i said i wanted to judge him? or did you hazrats judge me without even knowing what is in my heart?

or maybe i am mistaken. maybe you hazrats have kashf and you looked into me heart and saw all the dirt i have in my heart against ghaddafi that i wanted to drag his name through dirt even after his death? mashallah you guys are beyond the level of angels.

[chinesemedicine]

his bizarre outfits and hairstyle was a crime against fashion if that counts

[UvjqTVVC]

Well said...

There should be a thread named: Let's discuss our own Crimes

mashallah hazrat, you are congratulating a guy for looking into my heart and judging me.

[UvjqTVVC]

There is a full chapter on Riyadus Saliheen named: Veiling the faults of Muslims and the prohibition against divulging them without necessity

are there any chapters about judging the intention of a muslim oh great hazrat?

[Squeernemergo]

are there any chapters about judging the intention of a muslim oh great hazrat?

Akhi, calm down.
I didn't mean to judge your intentions. We all desire good for you, you have started a thread with a good intention, but other are trying to say even if the intention is right the action in itself is not right. I hope you understand.

P.s. I apologize if I have hurt you bro.

[ovH9wfSJ]

im sorry but can you please highlight the part where i said i wanted to judge his crimes.

i want to find out if his people had a real justification to rebel against him or if the rebellion was instigated by outside influences for an ulterior motive. anyone that wants to stick their head in the sand can move along and go to another thread. if you dont like this thread then go please. this includes moulana taliban and amr.

seeing that this thread has already gone off topic from the very first reply, can any of you accusing me of trying to judge ghaddafi actually show me where i said i wanted to judge him? or did you hazrats judge me without even knowing what is in my heart?

or maybe i am mistaken. maybe you hazrats have kashf and you looked into me heart and saw all the dirt i have in my heart against ghaddafi that i wanted to drag his name through dirt even after his death? mashallah you guys are beyond the level of angels.

Can you show me where I said, you were trying to judge Qaddhafi. I didn't. I don't doubt your intention, you are problably have very sincere intention.

I thought the general rule was Muslims are suppose to cover the sins of other muslims, that's it. I'm just asking is it permissible to do what you are asking. That's it.

Scholars of Hadith do it when they look and record the actions of narrators. History scholars may do it when they record history. It may be permissible to do, since, what Qaddhafi may have done, does affect Muslims as a whole. I don't know, that is why I asked.

Its not about your intention, just the permissibility of it.

[WaydayTew]

Can you show me where I said, you were trying to judge Qaddhafi. I didn't. I don't doubt your intention, you are problably have very sincere intention.

I thought the general rule was Muslims are suppose to cover the sins of other muslims, that's it. I'm just asking is it permissible to do what you are asking. That's it.

Scholars of Hadith do it when they look and record the actions of narrators. History scholars may do it when they record history. It may be permissible to do, since, what Qaddhafi may have done, does affect Muslims as a whole. I don't know, that is why I asked.

Its not about your intention, just the permissibility of it.

Salam alikum,
I would like also to know how to speak about sins of others to achieve some learning from that for others. May be is good to mention good deed of person beside it. May be then it is porsmissilbe?

I take this for a debate in AlJazeera, hoping I do not cross anything:
...Gadhafi and Libya 1. There was no electricity bill in Libya; electricity was free for all its citizens 2. There was no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law 3. Home considered a human right in Libya –Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi’s father has died while him, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent 4. All newly weds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family 5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83% 6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick-start their farms –all for free 7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US$2,300/mth accommodation and car allowance 8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price 9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 (N22) per litre 10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – now frozen globally 11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found. 12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens 13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US$5,000 14. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country. ...

so may be after reading this his outfit does not count so much...
w salam

[shemadagaswer]

shaykh hamza Yusuf 's views on gadaffi: "....I don’t remember having ever imprecated against anyone by name since becoming a Muslim, but now I find myself asking God to give Ghaddafi what he deserves for the terror and suffering he has inflicted upon “his people.”
http://sandala.org/blog/2011/03/12/on-libya/

[UvjqTVVC]

Can you show me where I said, you were trying to judge Qaddhafi.

in your very first post........

and then moulana saheb started banging the same drum.....

and then someone else came along to add some more noise.......

but not one of you addressed my actual opening post.

but never mind. i will start another thread if you like. you guys carry on how you want with this thread. how about we talk about imam raza khan or the barelwis. that always seems to get a good response. or how about we talk about the salafis.

or maybe you guys can delete your off-topic posts.

[CHyLmxDr]

many serious crimes where shall i start?

[UvjqTVVC]

many serious crimes where shall i start?

just list them one by one. with proofs and sources if possible.

[UvjqTVVC]

Salam alikum,
I would like also to know how to speak about sins of others to achieve some learning from that for others. May be is good to mention good deed of person beside it. May be then it is porsmissilbe?

I take this for a debate in AlJazeera, hoping I do not cross anything:
...Gadhafi and Libya 1. There was no electricity bill in Libya; electricity was free for all its citizens 2. There was no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law 3. Home considered a human right in Libya –Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi’s father has died while him, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent 4. All newly weds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family 5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83% 6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick-start their farms –all for free 7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US$2,300/mth accommodation and car allowance 8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price 9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 (N22) per litre 10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – now frozen globally 11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found. 12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens 13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US$5,000 14. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country. ...

so may be after reading this his outfit does not count so much...
w salam

i have come across these before. but i want to know what turned his people against him.

[Verriasana]

i have come across these before. but i want to know what turned his people against him.

maybe one of them is too-long years of rulings (40+ years).

[Squeernemergo]

in your very first post........

and then moulana saheb started banging the same drum.....

and then someone else came along to add some more noise.......

but not one of you addressed my actual opening post.

Hey Akhi I had apologized. Hope you accept it.

[CHyLmxDr]

Not ruling by shariah laws and instead choosing his green book as the guide which is full of kufr.

Being involved in the rendition process of mujahideen captured in afghanistan/pakistan and then sent by the americans to be tortured by the libyans.

Spilling the nuclear secrets of brother abdul kadir who tried to help them.

Stopping muslims growing beards.

Terrorizing muslims who go fajr salah.

Beheading muslims who come back from the camp of shaykh muqbil al hadi (salafi yemeni shaykh) the moment they come back from these mostly summer camps. Muqbil al hadi was not a jihadist.

His mockery of the turbun and beard on multiple occasions.

His robbery of the country (though this is a lesser charge compared to those above)

Ordering assasinations of libyan opponents inside and outside the country.

His batil title of king of all kings.

his female bodyguards.

His killing and torture of many people especially islamic people.

His not believing in the Qul in surah ikhlas...instead of Qul Huwalahu ahad just Huwalahu Ahad

These are the list of crimes. References are difficult but I have known many libyans and one of my friends lived in Libya for sometime and told me the above.

[UvjqTVVC]

Hey Akhi I had apologized. Hope you accept it.

alhamdolillah i always forgive every muslim in my heart. even those who had tortured me so dont worry, getting flamed on an internet forum is nothing to hold a grudge about.