[JackTimQSR]

As salam alay kum.

why some people joins their legs to legs and shoulder to shoulder during namaz is this is sunnah ?

is there is any ahadith which teach us to do so ?

i remember once i have listened in lecture in that lecture moulana says there is ahadith in bukhari in which this is mentioned..

is this is true ?

Can some one provide me truth relating to this issue ???

[replicamuse]

As salam alay kum.

why some people joins their legs to legs and shoulder to shoulder during namaz is this is sunnah ?

is there is any ahadith which teach us to do so ?

i remember once i have listened in lecture in that lecture moulana says there is ahadith in bukhari in which this is mentioned..

is this is true ?

Can some one provide me truth relating to this issue ???

Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 11, Number 692:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, "Straighten your rows for I see you from behind my back." Anas added, "Everyone of us used to put his shoulder with the shoulder of his companion and his foot with the foot of his companion."

[JackTimQSR]

Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 11, Number 692:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, "Straighten your rows for I see you from behind my back." Anas added, "Everyone of us used to put his shoulder with the shoulder of his companion and his foot with the foot of his companion."

wht makes some people to seperate legs and shoulder's ? why dont they follow this ahadith ?

[Turbo-ip]

wht makes some people to seperate legs and shoulder's ? why dont they follow this ahadith ?

You may read these, plenty has been written regarding this subject:

http://www.muftisays.com/muftifarooq...ge=joiningfeet

http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/detdisfeet.htm

and:

http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/anklshyuth.htm

[LeslieMoran]

Assalamu alaykum

They are doing it to demonstrate that are better muslims than who are who are not doing that.

And also to demonstrate that none of the muhadditeen, faqeeh, mufassireen have not understood this hadeeth for 1400 years.

[nakeseireo]

When a person says: "Join your feet and your shoulders" I say: "What about the knees? The knees are also mentioned!" Then these guys will be confused.
It is impossible to join the knees.

[id2008]

The knees are also mentioned!" Then these guys will be confused.
It is impossible to join the knees.

a salafi guy in the forum mentioned, he can do this

[LeslieMoran]

Assalamu alaykum

When a person says: "Join your feet and your shoulders" I say: "What about the knees? The knees are also mentioned!" Then these guys will be confused.
It is impossible to join the knees. Can some one demonstrate how feet to feet and shoulders to shoulders are joined at the same time?

[jstizzle]

a salafi guy in the forum mentioned, he can do this

mashAllah , he should try for olympics. I'm sure he will get a GOLD in gymnastics.

[id2008]

mashAllah , he should try for olympics. I'm sure he will get a GOLD in gymnastics.

make sure its olympic for disabled people.

[nakeseireo]

A person has to be like a square.

[CHEAPPoem]

why not just tell the brother that there is a difference of opinion on this issue, this is the evidence of the brothers who follow the oppinion that you dont have to join together, and then leave it at that. Wallahi I worry at how hideous we make islam look. Its playing on my mind to be honest. 1.5billion of us and what do we amount to?

please everyone, look and reflect on your post and see how it looks and if it was a worthwhile post inshAllah

[nakeseireo]

why not just tell the brother that there is a difference of opinion on this issue

Is there? So please tell me how we can join our feet, ankle, knees and our shoulders?

It seems that when salafis introduce new things in islam then immediately people say that now we have ikhtilaf on this issue.

Salafis can introduce everything it seems.

[CHEAPPoem]

Is there? So please tell me how we can join our feet, ankle, knees and our shoulders?

It seems that when salafis introduce new things in islam then immediately people say that now we have ikhtilaf on this issue.
Why not just say that people destroy their khushu when they are searching for knees and feets of praying brothers?

so your saying that this oppinion is unprecidented in islam until recently?

I still think adaab should be maintained. Some of you make islam look very ugly. Its a miracle I became muslim alhamdulillah

(p.s. the oppinion is ankle to ankle, I didnt say teh oppinion of knees existed but im sure its not only salafis who say join ur feet together)

[CHEAPPoem]

this is what islamqa says:

Many people do not know that it is from the sunnah to stand feet to feet and so during a jamaa'h, they leave a small gap in between. To what extent are we obliged to try and fill the gap by spreading our feet further apart? If the line is not straight, do we align ouselves to the person on our right, or the one on the left?.


Praise be to Allaah.

It is obligatory for the Muslims to make their rows straight and compact and to close the gaps between them. That is done by standing shoulder-to-shoulder and foot-to-foot.

It was narrated from Anas ibn Maalik that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Make your rows straight for I can see you behind my back.”

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 686; Muslim, 425.

It was narrated from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Make your rows straight, stand shoulder to shoulder and close the gaps, and do not resist your brothers’ hands. Do not leave any gaps for the Shaytaan. Whoever complete a row, Allaah will reward him, and whoever breaksa row, Allaah will forsake him.

Abu Dawood said: What is meant by “Do not resist your brothers’ hands” is that a man should be easy-going if his brother pushes him forwards or backwards to make the row straight. (‘Awn al-Ma’bood).

Narrated by Abu Dawood, 666; al-Nasaa’i, 819. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 620.

It was narrated that al-Nu’maan ibn Basheer said:

“The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) turned to face the people and said, ‘Straighten your rows,’ three times, ‘for by Allaah either you straighten your rows or Allaah will create division among your hearts.’ And I saw men standing shoulder to shoulder, knee to knee, ankle to ankle.”

Narrated by Abu Dawood, 662; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 616.

Should a man look to his right or his left so that he can make the row straight?

The Sunnah is for the imam to stand in the front, in line with in the middle of the row, then the rows should start from behind the imam, not from the right hand side of the mosque or the left, as some people do. Rather they should start from behind the imam, then the row should be completed to both the right and the left, so as to follow the Sunnah of having the imam in the middle.

Based on this, then whoever is in the right half of the row should look to his left and align himself with whoever is on his left and whoever is in the left half should look to his right and align himself with whoever is on his right.

With regard to the gaps between the feet, the worshipper should stand in a moderate fashion, neither standing with his feet together nor making them too far apart, because the further apart he makes them, the further his shoulders will be from his neighbour’s shoulders. Making the rows straight and compact is achieved by standing foot-to-foot and shoulder-to-shoulder.

Shaykh Bakr Abu Zayd said:

One of the new things that we see some people doing, with no evidence in sharee’ah, is that in prayer they try to align themselves with a person on the right if they are on the right hand side of the row, or to align themselves with a person on their left if they are on the left hand side of the row, and they turn their feet inward so that their ankles are touching the ankles of the people next to them.

This is something for which there is no basis in sharee’ah and it is going to the extreme in implementing the Sunnah. This is wrong on two counts.

The alignment of the row should begin from where the imam is standing. Whoever is on the right of the row should align himself by looking at those who are to his left (i.e., closer to the imam). Thus the line will be straightened and the gaps will be filled. Alignment is done by lining up necks, shoulders and ankles, and by completing the front rows.

But to try to spread the legs wide and turn the feet inward so that one's ankles touch one’s neighbours’ ankles is an obvious mistake and an exaggeration, and a new interpretation which is indicative of going to extremes in trying to apply the Sunnah. It causes annoyance and is not prescribed in sharee’ah, and it widens the gaps between people standing in prayer.

That becomes apparent when the people prostrate, and when they stand up again they become distracted in trying to fill the gaps and turning their feet to make their ankles touch their neighbours’ ankles, which makes them miss out on what they should be doing, which is to make the toes point in the direction of the qiblah.

Doing that is like competing with one’s neighbour and trying to take his place. All of that is not prescribed in sharee’ah.

Laa jadeed fi Ahkaam al-Salaah, 12. 13.

[nakeseireo]

so your saying that this oppinion is unprecidented in islam until recently?

Do you know any scholar of the past who said that we have to literally join our feets? Maybe some of the zahiris but even then it will not result in an ikhtilaf. ikhtilaf is only possible within the four schools.

the oppinion is ankle to ankle this is also not possible.

[CHEAPPoem]

Do you know any scholar of the past who said that we have to literally join our feets? Maybe some of the zahiris but even then it will not result in an ikhtilaf. ikhtilaf is only possible within the four schools.


this is also not possible.

its definitely possible to join your ankles. That being said, you raise some good points regarding 1 the hadeeth mentions knees also and 2 is there an ulema of the past who held the position so inshAllah I shall find out about them and get back to you. I dont agree that its only validn ikhtilaaf if the four schools held the oppinion though, it sorta spits in teh face of the other ulema of the past who were just as high if not higher than the four imams in status who held differing oppinions, so I dont accept that point. I will try find out who has ever said that ankles should be joined though inshAllah.

My main point was the terrible adaab and repulsive manners in this thread though, and many others, in this forum and others, that will drive any potential muslims far away from islam. Im lucky I became a muslim and THEN met the muslim community alhamdulillah. I grew up in the sticks in rural somerset where islam is virtually non existent. Had I have seen these sorts of threads I would have probabily joined a different religion (I was considering becoming buddist when I stumbled accross islam in morocco). Im just being honest. Serious, muslims have serious akhlaaq issues. People fight over whos following bukhari. Imam bukhari rahimahullah, in his first chapter, kitabul IMAAN, quotes many ahadeeth in manners towards your muslim brothers, these are manners that most seem to have forgotten. Think about what the ansar did for the muhajiroon. SubhanAllah, how far away we are from this

[CHEAPPoem]

p.s., leaving this thread now, said what I wanted to say/ If I find some narrations on the issue inshAllah I will provide them. I think the ummah has real problems though, far worse than whetehr or not we should join ouir feet togetehr in salaah

[Rounteetepe]

I prefer to join ankles and shoulders instead of letting a boulevard in the rows.

[MarlboroCig]

the closest way you could get ankle to ankle, knee to knee and shoulder to shoulder would be by standing with your legs almost closed together and getting squashed up to the person next to you on either side and not by stretching your legs out???

and is it not possible that in the hadith, the sahabas closed the gap in their own way and hence some sahabas (rd) were shoulder to shoulder, some were knee to knee and some were ankle to ankle??? obviously i have no idea about the hadith but it doesnt seem possible to me that we can incorporate all of the 'touch points' at the same time.