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**fujitsusi** · 01-09-2011, 02:16 AM

Dear respected Moderators ,i would like to request that this person with nickname AffanR should be banned ,been following his posts and all are very unislamic,full of ignorance,and is never ready to accept the ahadeeth or the views of Ahle-sunnah walJamaa'ah.

sometimes it seems like he even writes stuff against the shaan of rasoolullah sallallahu alaihi wasallam.

by allowing him to post he could become the mean of bringing misconceptions in the other believers their minds.

jazakallah

**Helloheshess** · 01-09-2011, 02:49 AM

Dear respected Moderators ,i would like to request that this person with nickname AffanR should be banned ,been following his posts and all are very unislamic,full of ignorance,and is never ready to accept the ahadeeth or the views of Ahle-sunnah walJamaa'ah.

His pro qadiani stance is well known.

**Obgrfbke** · 01-09-2011, 04:22 AM

Aye Rabb! Mumtaz ki hifazat kar, sadqe apne Rasool(saws) ke. Amin.

**Controller** · 01-09-2011, 05:04 AM

Although this Mumtaz Qadri does not belong to my sect, and I think he is misguided individual, yet nevertheless I must salute him for being very brave and displaying his love for the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم.

**Helloheshess** · 01-09-2011, 05:08 AM

Although this Mumtaz Qadri does not belong to my sect, and I think he is misguided individual, yet nevertheless I must salute him for being very brave and displaying his love for the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم.

your sect may learn somehting from this now.

zaidi shia threw shoes at bush

barelwi killed the supporters of blasphomy agaisnt rasullulah

now whos turn!

**Controller** · 01-09-2011, 05:18 AM

zaidi shia threw shoes at bush

Which itself was a senseless and stupid act.

barelwi killed the supporters of blasphomy agaisnt rasullulah

Any self-respecting Muslim would have done so, regardless of sect. It just so happened that a Barailwi was the security guard, and therefore best in the position to avenge the honor of our beloved Prophet Muhammad Mustafaa صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم

**Helloheshess** · 01-09-2011, 05:28 AM

Which itself was a senseless and stupid act.

yes, he should have practise 10 time before and then might had chance to blush bush´s ugly face *smack head*

**Controller** · 01-09-2011, 05:30 AM

By the way, with regard to Naats, I think that nowadays they are just like a music business, you have "Naat artists" selling "Naat albums" and organizing "Naat concerts"...These naats and nasheeds have just become a drama and a business in my viewpoint.

Secondly, most Naats now contain shirk and innovations (like saying "Ya Rasoolullaah", etc.,) and singing the praises of "Sabz Gumbad" which itself is idolatry.

However, what Islaam allows for is only good and decent poetry, like what Hassaan ibn Thaabit رضى الله عنه used to compose with the help of the Angel Gabriel. This kind of poetry is good, but it must be pure and Islaamic, and not contain any shred of polytheism or innovation or exaggeration.

I will give you an example of a good naat by Ahlul Hadeeth, Haafiz Binyameen Okarwi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvzpskAvfrQ

**Helloheshess** · 01-09-2011, 05:46 AM

nothing tastes/feels better than from a ghazi´s painful voice.

**zooworms** · 01-09-2011, 05:52 AM

In the video you can see very clearly he has a lot of doubt, misgiving, uncertainty and guilt about what he did. Just look at his eyes.

This reminds me of the Khawarij chanting 'la hukm ilallah' to Sayyidina Ali. Religious people are so easy to manipulate.

**zooworms** · 01-09-2011, 05:54 AM

your sect may learn somehting from this now.

zaidi shia threw shoes at bush

barelwi killed the supporters of blasphomy agaisnt rasullulah

now whos turn!

So this is what its really about? A game of which sect can be the angriest and has the most balls?

Nice to see that finally came out...

**Helloheshess** · 01-09-2011, 05:55 AM

we should be careful and not give statement after reading "eyes" or "mind".

in doubtful action we are told to have husn dhan, and when a person does a good deeds, we no need to turn it to another way.

And he being scared about knowing his future being around "pak police", is totally normal.

So this is what its really about? A game of which sect can be the angriest and has the most balls?

its about "wake up call".

**Wheldcobchoto** · 01-09-2011, 06:05 AM

The guy will meet his maker soon..I wonder what reward you get for killing a muslim??

**Helloheshess** · 01-09-2011, 06:08 AM

you get for killing a muslim??

you mean a "muzlim" who agrees that if anyone insults prophet(Sw) he has freedom of speech?

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...overnor-Punjab

we should ask the reason for killing.

**nizcreare** · 01-09-2011, 06:59 AM

To all the Mumtaz Qadiri haters:

Hadiths:

Maulana Wahid Uddin Khan says Fartana used to recite abusive poems about the prophet:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: on the day of the conquest of Mecca: There are four persons whom I shall not give protection in the sacred and non-sacred territory. He then named them. There were two singing girls of al-Maqis; one of them was killed and the other escaped and embraced Islam. [Sunnan Abu Dawud 14:2678]

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace be upon him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace be upon him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace be upon him) was informed about it.

He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.

He sat before the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.[Sunnan Abu Dawud 38:4348, Sunnan Abu Dawud 38:4361]

Look at the love and support for Mumtaz Qadiri by Muftis and masses:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL7uv-7C4Yc

Regarding the murtad governor salman taseer:

His illegitimate son with a hindu women called aatish taseer is writing a third book against Islam and Pakistan.salman taseer himself drank scotch and whisky every evening, never fasted and pork was his favourite meat.He was one of the most corrupt governors and wanted to bring a secular reform in Islam.The story of his secular liberal modern family is shown in the link below:

http://thecurrentaffairs.com/salman-...l#comment-1893

**zooworms** · 01-09-2011, 07:43 AM

Its not your place to decide life and death. Whats next? You decide abulayl or myself or one of the moderators has blasphemed on SF and have him killed and then post a few hadith to back it up? You need more than a hadith to support a killing--you need an Islamic government, an Amirul Mumineen and a FULL Shariah law... something that Pakistan is nowhere near. If you don't have that, then its vigilanteism and opens the door to fasad. And then people shun the ulema and turn away from Islam.

Mashallah, they only love Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam when it comes to killing and anger...but when it comes to feeding the poor and helping the oppressed? Oh, suddenly they disappear into khalwa or a 40 day jamaat! You cannot claim love for Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam in only one situation, you cannot be selective in your love of Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam- you must claim Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam in ALL SITUATIONS!!

In the case of Pakistan, you have to use your aql. Restraining oneself from killing and bloodshed, even in the case of a blasphemer, requires a greater amount of love for the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam, than does killing a blasphemer, if one keeps the consequences for the entire society in mind. With the amount of violence in that region of the world, more bloodshed will only accelerate anarchy and societal decay. No one is safe. Is that what our Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam wanted for us when he made dua for this ummah?

Here is what Tahir-ul-Qadri has to say-- hear what a "Barelwi scholar" has to say about such a law.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d17Df5eHVLI

And Shaykh Abdullah bin Bayyah on the state of Pakistan and how Pakistani can prevent it from becoming a failed state.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoRM-iezSzM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QICqGURjPmU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsnjBzmLbmk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bHy8-l4HK4

**TeNuaTe** · 01-09-2011, 07:53 AM

Its not your place to decide life and death. Whats next? You decide abulayl or myself or one of the moderators has blasphemed on SF and have him killed and then post a few hadith to back it up? You need more than a hadith to support a killing--you need an Islamic government, an Amirul Mumineen and a FULL Shariah law... something that Pakistan is nowhere near. If you don't have that, then its vigilanteism and opens the door to fasad.

Mashallah, they only love Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam when it comes to killing and anger...but when it comes to feeding the poor and helping the oppressed? Oh, suddenly they disappear into khalwa or a 40 day jamaat! You cannot claim love for Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam in only one situation, you cannot be selective in your love of Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam- you must claim Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam in ALL SITUATIONS!!

In the case of Pakistan, you have to use your aql. Restraining oneself from killing and bloodshed, even in the case of a blasphemer, requires a greater amount of love for the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam, than does killing a blasphemer, if one keeps the consequences for the entire society in mind. With the amount of violence in that region of the world, more bloodshed will only accelerate anarchy and societal decay. No one is safe. Is that what our Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam wanted for us when he made dua for this ummah?

Here is what Tahir-ul-Qadri has to say-- hear what a "Barelwi scholar" has to say about such a law.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d17Df5eHVLI

And Shaykh Abdullah bin Bayyah on the state of Pakistan and how Pakistani can prevent it from becoming a failed state.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoRM-iezSzM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QICqGURjPmU

First off, Sheikh Abdullah bin Bayyah is not a resident of Pakistan, therefore, he doesn't know the situation first hand and how people react to it. The local Ulama of Pakistan do understand it, and that's why , their stance is rather reliable.

Secondly, Tahirul Qadiri is not a "Barelvi Scholar" per say, rather, he had just a limited following, and because of some of his past issues , including the fake " Rasoolullah sallAllahu alaihi wasallam DREAMS", many barelvi ulama also have had fatawa against him.

Thirdly, when it comes to the "law of the land" it is when the law of the land is not explicitly going against the deen of Allah. In this case, it IS, as a matter of fact, every other thing that serves as an insignia of Islam, is being removed from Pakistan's law.

Fourthly, talk about Ameerul Mu'mineen, law, Islamic government etc. may I know the Islamic government which was established when Rasoolullah SallAllahu alaihi wasallam ordered the death of those who blasphemed him? Sorry my brother, but your words " You need more than a hadith to support a killing" really need to be revised. All we need is a hadeeth to see what Nabi sallAllahu alaihi wasallam did to the blasphemers, especially in case of a country whose puppet government and army is hellbent on destroying the Islamic Emirates, killing Mujahideen, destroying madaris and masajid, and now removing every Islamic bit from its law.

I remember asking an aalim a similar question about the punishment of the Gustakh, and he said "First go an kill the gustakh, then come ask for fatwa.".... now I understand what he meant.

**nizcreare** · 01-09-2011, 08:02 AM

Mumtaz Qadiri:

BATLA DO GUSTAKH E NABI KO GHERAT MUSLIM ZINDA HAI! UN PAR MAR/MITNAY KA JAZBA KAL B THA AUR AAJ B HAI!

Ki MUHAMMAD say wafa tunay, tou hum teray hain,
Yeh Jahan cheez hai kya Loho Kalam teray hain!

salman taseer margaya murdood Na Fateha Na Darood!

**zooworms** · 01-09-2011, 08:39 AM

Shaykh Abdullah bin Bayyah is not in Pakistan and that is precisely why his words matter...because he will give you a different Islamic perspective that will shed light on the reality and he's not being bought off or under the influence of Pakistani corruption or politics. One of the biggest mistakes people make is fatwa shop and only hear what they want to hear. What about the blasphemers in Mecca or those who would ridicule our Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam? Or what about those whom killing was ordered but then the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam changed his mind-- there are hadith about that too.

It's sad when the most courageous act in your country is a man killing another man for defending a woman. Keep congratulating yourself and praising the courage of a man who broke the trust of his employer and then killed the man who was his source of income, while American drones continue to bomb the rest of the country...

If Muslim history proves anything its that assassinations and killings do not bring any good change nor any improvement...they just make things worse. The major concern should be the safety and security of the people. And it seems that is slipping day by day...may Allah have mercy on Pakistan, ameen.

**Helloheshess** · 01-09-2011, 08:39 AM

You decide abulayl or myself or one of the moderators has blasphemed on SF and have him killed and then post a few hadith to back it up?

I dont need even back up hadith what to do with those who support blasphamed prophet

You need more than a hadith to support a killing--you need an Islamic government, an Amirul Mumineen and a FULL Shariah law.

when its being done via shariah law.but the sahaba(rd)did so without asking prophet

i.e shariah, and it was accepted.

And then people shun the ulema and turn away from Islam.

"people" do so anyway in every occasion,for that people are made. muslim dont. I did, when i was people, but not any longer because i am muslim now.

Mashallah, they only love Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam when it comes to killing and anger.

they are even doing something. they are ahving dinner, though they didnt take breakfast and supper.

..but when it comes to feeding the poor and helping the oppressed?

what others did? no love in angry and killing neither in poor feeding and helping the oppressed.

Oh, suddenly they disappear into khalwa or a 40 day jamaat! You cannot claim love for Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam in only one situation, you cannot be selective in your love of Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam- you must claim Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam in ALL SITUATIONS!!

ummah is weak,Allah judges via intentions. And being weak in one part, doesnt mean i need to be weak in ohter part too. IF i didnt pray 4 time, doesnt mean i shouldnt pray the 1 time prayer of day.

In the case of Pakistan, you have to use your aql.

people used aql since 1947. now we are now with secular goverment. Pakistan never had any islamic goverment, all were half backed secularist.

Here is what Tahir-ul-Qadri has to say.

who cares what he say.tomnorow he will published 1000 page book in title with prophet blasphomy is ok.

.because he will give you a different Islamic perspective that will shed light on the reality

he will give, but not able to choose, because of not being aware about the context,situation and mentality.

there are hadith about that too.

bring those hadith and context.AFter that its justified, why you will leave a person when he does insults prophet

infront of you, your action will be justified. But if any other do the anotehr one, his is also justified.

It's sad when the most courageous act in your country is a man killing another man for defending a woman.

not a woman but a person who insulted the prophet

and not only that he applied to bann the "kill the blasphamers law" in court. applying to demolishing the 10% rule of shariah which is present in pakistan , is also going to vanish, and people wanna bring these people infront of which shariah then!

these people wants scope to insult prophet

first via vanishing shariah rules.But the martood got caught before he gets chance to do so.

If Muslim history proves anything its that assassinations and killings do not bring any good change nor any improvement...they just make things worse.

Muslim histories didnt imply shariah correctly, and left 1000 of wolves and munafiqs walking among the society, as a result the ummah´s stance is in such worst level and secularist minded.

then killed the man who was his source of income,

leaving prayer has made easy for jobs sake because of above mentality. may Allah forgive us.

01-09-2011, 02:16 AM	#21
fujitsusi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 466 Senior Member	Dear respected Moderators ,i would like to request that this person with nickname AffanR should be banned ,been following his posts and all are very unislamic,full of ignorance,and is never ready to accept the ahadeeth or the views of Ahle-sunnah walJamaa'ah. sometimes it seems like he even writes stuff against the shaan of rasoolullah sallallahu alaihi wasallam. by allowing him to post he could become the mean of bringing misconceptions in the other believers their minds. jazakallah Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-09-2011, 02:49 AM	#22
Helloheshess Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 535 Senior Member	Dear respected Moderators ,i would like to request that this person with nickname AffanR should be banned ,been following his posts and all are very unislamic,full of ignorance,and is never ready to accept the ahadeeth or the views of Ahle-sunnah walJamaa'ah. His pro qadiani stance is well known. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-09-2011, 04:22 AM	#23
Obgrfbke Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 457 Senior Member	Aye Rabb! Mumtaz ki hifazat kar, sadqe apne Rasool(saws) ke. Amin. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-09-2011, 05:04 AM	#24
Controller Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 335 Senior Member	Although this Mumtaz Qadri does not belong to my sect, and I think he is misguided individual, yet nevertheless I must salute him for being very brave and displaying his love for the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-09-2011, 05:08 AM	#25
Helloheshess Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 535 Senior Member	Although this Mumtaz Qadri does not belong to my sect, and I think he is misguided individual, yet nevertheless I must salute him for being very brave and displaying his love for the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم. your sect may learn somehting from this now. zaidi shia threw shoes at bush barelwi killed the supporters of blasphomy agaisnt rasullulah now whos turn! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-09-2011, 05:18 AM	#26
Controller Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 335 Senior Member	zaidi shia threw shoes at bush Which itself was a senseless and stupid act. barelwi killed the supporters of blasphomy agaisnt rasullulah Any self-respecting Muslim would have done so, regardless of sect. It just so happened that a Barailwi was the security guard, and therefore best in the position to avenge the honor of our beloved Prophet Muhammad Mustafaa صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-09-2011, 05:28 AM	#27
Helloheshess Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 535 Senior Member	Which itself was a senseless and stupid act. yes, he should have practise 10 time before and then might had chance to blush bush´s ugly face smack head Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-09-2011, 05:30 AM	#28
Controller Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 335 Senior Member	By the way, with regard to Naats, I think that nowadays they are just like a music business, you have "Naat artists" selling "Naat albums" and organizing "Naat concerts"...These naats and nasheeds have just become a drama and a business in my viewpoint. Secondly, most Naats now contain shirk and innovations (like saying "Ya Rasoolullaah", etc.,) and singing the praises of "Sabz Gumbad" which itself is idolatry. However, what Islaam allows for is only good and decent poetry, like what Hassaan ibn Thaabit رضى الله عنه used to compose with the help of the Angel Gabriel. This kind of poetry is good, but it must be pure and Islaamic, and not contain any shred of polytheism or innovation or exaggeration. I will give you an example of a good naat by Ahlul Hadeeth, Haafiz Binyameen Okarwi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvzpskAvfrQ Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-09-2011, 05:46 AM	#29
Helloheshess Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 535 Senior Member	nothing tastes/feels better than from a ghazi´s painful voice. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-09-2011, 05:52 AM	#30
zooworms Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 364 Senior Member	In the video you can see very clearly he has a lot of doubt, misgiving, uncertainty and guilt about what he did. Just look at his eyes. This reminds me of the Khawarij chanting 'la hukm ilallah' to Sayyidina Ali. Religious people are so easy to manipulate. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-09-2011, 05:54 AM	#31
zooworms Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 364 Senior Member	your sect may learn somehting from this now. zaidi shia threw shoes at bush barelwi killed the supporters of blasphomy agaisnt rasullulah now whos turn! So this is what its really about? A game of which sect can be the angriest and has the most balls? Nice to see that finally came out... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-09-2011, 05:55 AM	#32
Helloheshess Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 535 Senior Member	we should be careful and not give statement after reading "eyes" or "mind". in doubtful action we are told to have husn dhan, and when a person does a good deeds, we no need to turn it to another way. And he being scared about knowing his future being around "pak police", is totally normal. So this is what its really about? A game of which sect can be the angriest and has the most balls? its about "wake up call". Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-09-2011, 06:05 AM	#33
Wheldcobchoto Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 474 Senior Member	The guy will meet his maker soon..I wonder what reward you get for killing a muslim?? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-09-2011, 06:08 AM	#34
Helloheshess Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 535 Senior Member	you get for killing a muslim?? you mean a "muzlim" who agrees that if anyone insults prophet(Sw) he has freedom of speech? http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...overnor-Punjab we should ask the reason for killing. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-09-2011, 06:59 AM	#35
nizcreare Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 566 Senior Member	To all the Mumtaz Qadiri haters: Hadiths: Maulana Wahid Uddin Khan says Fartana used to recite abusive poems about the prophet: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: on the day of the conquest of Mecca: There are four persons whom I shall not give protection in the sacred and non-sacred territory. He then named them. There were two singing girls of al-Maqis; one of them was killed and the other escaped and embraced Islam. [Sunnan Abu Dawud 14:2678] Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace be upon him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace be upon him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace be upon him) was informed about it. He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up. He sat before the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.[Sunnan Abu Dawud 38:4348, Sunnan Abu Dawud 38:4361] Look at the love and support for Mumtaz Qadiri by Muftis and masses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL7uv-7C4Yc Regarding the murtad governor salman taseer: His illegitimate son with a hindu women called aatish taseer is writing a third book against Islam and Pakistan.salman taseer himself drank scotch and whisky every evening, never fasted and pork was his favourite meat.He was one of the most corrupt governors and wanted to bring a secular reform in Islam.The story of his secular liberal modern family is shown in the link below: http://thecurrentaffairs.com/salman-...l#comment-1893 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-09-2011, 07:43 AM	#36
zooworms Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 364 Senior Member	Its not your place to decide life and death. Whats next? You decide abulayl or myself or one of the moderators has blasphemed on SF and have him killed and then post a few hadith to back it up? You need more than a hadith to support a killing--you need an Islamic government, an Amirul Mumineen and a FULL Shariah law... something that Pakistan is nowhere near. If you don't have that, then its vigilanteism and opens the door to fasad. And then people shun the ulema and turn away from Islam. Mashallah, they only love Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam when it comes to killing and anger...but when it comes to feeding the poor and helping the oppressed? Oh, suddenly they disappear into khalwa or a 40 day jamaat! You cannot claim love for Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam in only one situation, you cannot be selective in your love of Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam- you must claim Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam in ALL SITUATIONS!! In the case of Pakistan, you have to use your aql. Restraining oneself from killing and bloodshed, even in the case of a blasphemer, requires a greater amount of love for the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam, than does killing a blasphemer, if one keeps the consequences for the entire society in mind. With the amount of violence in that region of the world, more bloodshed will only accelerate anarchy and societal decay. No one is safe. Is that what our Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam wanted for us when he made dua for this ummah? Here is what Tahir-ul-Qadri has to say-- hear what a "Barelwi scholar" has to say about such a law. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d17Df5eHVLI And Shaykh Abdullah bin Bayyah on the state of Pakistan and how Pakistani can prevent it from becoming a failed state. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoRM-iezSzM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QICqGURjPmU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsnjBzmLbmk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bHy8-l4HK4 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-09-2011, 07:53 AM	#37
TeNuaTe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 449 Senior Member	Its not your place to decide life and death. Whats next? You decide abulayl or myself or one of the moderators has blasphemed on SF and have him killed and then post a few hadith to back it up? You need more than a hadith to support a killing--you need an Islamic government, an Amirul Mumineen and a FULL Shariah law... something that Pakistan is nowhere near. If you don't have that, then its vigilanteism and opens the door to fasad. Mashallah, they only love Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam when it comes to killing and anger...but when it comes to feeding the poor and helping the oppressed? Oh, suddenly they disappear into khalwa or a 40 day jamaat! You cannot claim love for Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam in only one situation, you cannot be selective in your love of Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam- you must claim Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam in ALL SITUATIONS!! In the case of Pakistan, you have to use your aql. Restraining oneself from killing and bloodshed, even in the case of a blasphemer, requires a greater amount of love for the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam, than does killing a blasphemer, if one keeps the consequences for the entire society in mind. With the amount of violence in that region of the world, more bloodshed will only accelerate anarchy and societal decay. No one is safe. Is that what our Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam wanted for us when he made dua for this ummah? Here is what Tahir-ul-Qadri has to say-- hear what a "Barelwi scholar" has to say about such a law. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d17Df5eHVLI And Shaykh Abdullah bin Bayyah on the state of Pakistan and how Pakistani can prevent it from becoming a failed state. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoRM-iezSzM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QICqGURjPmU First off, Sheikh Abdullah bin Bayyah is not a resident of Pakistan, therefore, he doesn't know the situation first hand and how people react to it. The local Ulama of Pakistan do understand it, and that's why , their stance is rather reliable. Secondly, Tahirul Qadiri is not a "Barelvi Scholar" per say, rather, he had just a limited following, and because of some of his past issues , including the fake " Rasoolullah sallAllahu alaihi wasallam DREAMS", many barelvi ulama also have had fatawa against him. Thirdly, when it comes to the "law of the land" it is when the law of the land is not explicitly going against the deen of Allah. In this case, it IS, as a matter of fact, every other thing that serves as an insignia of Islam, is being removed from Pakistan's law. Fourthly, talk about Ameerul Mu'mineen, law, Islamic government etc. may I know the Islamic government which was established when Rasoolullah SallAllahu alaihi wasallam ordered the death of those who blasphemed him? Sorry my brother, but your words " *You need more than a hadith to support a killing*" really need to be revised. All we need is a hadeeth to see what Nabi sallAllahu alaihi wasallam did to the blasphemers, especially in case of a country whose puppet government and army is hellbent on destroying the Islamic Emirates, killing Mujahideen, destroying madaris and masajid, and now removing every Islamic bit from its law. I remember asking an aalim a similar question about the punishment of the Gustakh, and he said "First go an kill the gustakh, then come ask for fatwa.".... now I understand what he meant. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-09-2011, 08:02 AM	#38
nizcreare Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 566 Senior Member	Mumtaz Qadiri: BATLA DO GUSTAKH E NABI KO GHERAT MUSLIM ZINDA HAI! UN PAR MAR/MITNAY KA JAZBA KAL B THA AUR AAJ B HAI! Ki MUHAMMAD say wafa tunay, tou hum teray hain, Yeh Jahan cheez hai kya Loho Kalam teray hain! salman taseer margaya murdood Na Fateha Na Darood! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-09-2011, 08:39 AM	#39
zooworms Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 364 Senior Member	Shaykh Abdullah bin Bayyah is not in Pakistan and that is precisely why his words matter...because he will give you a different Islamic perspective that will shed light on the reality and he's not being bought off or under the influence of Pakistani corruption or politics. One of the biggest mistakes people make is fatwa shop and only hear what they want to hear. What about the blasphemers in Mecca or those who would ridicule our Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam? Or what about those whom killing was ordered but then the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam changed his mind-- there are hadith about that too. It's sad when the most courageous act in your country is a man killing another man for defending a woman. Keep congratulating yourself and praising the courage of a man who broke the trust of his employer and then killed the man who was his source of income, while American drones continue to bomb the rest of the country... If Muslim history proves anything its that assassinations and killings do not bring any good change nor any improvement...they just make things worse. The major concern should be the safety and security of the people. And it seems that is slipping day by day...may Allah have mercy on Pakistan, ameen. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-09-2011, 08:39 AM	#40
Helloheshess Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 535 Senior Member	You decide abulayl or myself or one of the moderators has blasphemed on SF and have him killed and then post a few hadith to back it up? I dont need even back up hadith what to do with those who support blasphamed prophet You need more than a hadith to support a killing--you need an Islamic government, an Amirul Mumineen and a FULL Shariah law. when its being done via shariah law.but the sahaba(rd)did so without asking prophet i.e shariah, and it was accepted. And then people shun the ulema and turn away from Islam. "people" do so anyway in every occasion,for that people are made. muslim dont. I did, when i was people, but not any longer because i am muslim now. Mashallah, they only love Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam when it comes to killing and anger. they are even doing something. they are ahving dinner, though they didnt take breakfast and supper. ..but when it comes to feeding the poor and helping the oppressed? what others did? no love in angry and killing neither in poor feeding and helping the oppressed. Oh, suddenly they disappear into khalwa or a 40 day jamaat! You cannot claim love for Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam in only one situation, you cannot be selective in your love of Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam- you must claim Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam in ALL SITUATIONS!! ummah is weak,Allah judges via intentions. And being weak in one part, doesnt mean i need to be weak in ohter part too. IF i didnt pray 4 time, doesnt mean i shouldnt pray the 1 time prayer of day. In the case of Pakistan, you have to use your aql. people used aql since 1947. now we are now with secular goverment. Pakistan never had any islamic goverment, all were half backed secularist. Here is what Tahir-ul-Qadri has to say. who cares what he say.tomnorow he will published 1000 page book in title with prophet blasphomy is ok. .because he will give you a different Islamic perspective that will shed light on the reality he will give, but not able to choose, because of not being aware about the context,situation and mentality. there are hadith about that too. bring those hadith and context.AFter that its justified, why you will leave a person when he does insults prophet infront of you, your action will be justified. But if any other do the anotehr one, his is also justified. It's sad when the most courageous act in your country is a man killing another man for defending a woman. not a woman but a person who insulted the prophet and not only that he applied to bann the "kill the blasphamers law" in court. applying to demolishing the 10% rule of shariah which is present in pakistan , is also going to vanish, and people wanna bring these people infront of which shariah then! these people wants scope to insult prophet first via vanishing shariah rules.But the martood got caught before he gets chance to do so. If Muslim history proves anything its that assassinations and killings do not bring any good change nor any improvement...they just make things worse. Muslim histories didnt imply shariah correctly, and left 1000 of wolves and munafiqs walking among the society, as a result the ummah´s stance is in such worst level and secularist minded. then killed the man who was his source of income, leaving prayer has made easy for jobs sake because of above mentality. may Allah forgive us. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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