[DarrenBent]

but we both know why it won't be implemented..............

fiqha,ha,who needs it when you got_________________

Provocative statements like this are exactly why the scholars have advised laymen to stay away from this discussion.

[MinisuipGaicai]

That is the view of Deobandies, what are the views of Barelwis on this issue ? And what about the non-asian (arab "salafis", "ikhwani",... who are also a major part of the muslim society), do they follow saudia and are they any contact between all these groups to try to have a united 'eid or they don't even look at each other ?

Shafi'i can follow international sighting:

There is a view in the Shafi'i Madhhab on the authority of Qadi Abu al-Tayyib al-Tabari that an international sighting is sufficient. This is a sound view in light of the evidence.

If any country declares Eid/Ramadhan, then you can follow them (if they did that based on moonsighting, not calculation)

Calculations according to Shafi'i (post #10): http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...to-the-hanafis

Wallahu a'lam

[somozasayre]

I have YET to come across a single Scholar of any repute in UK (including Mufti Shabbir Saheb of Darul-uloom Bury) & Dr (Shaykh) Suhaib Hasan (Ahl-e-Hadeeth) who doesn't believe that Saudi moonsighting is free from error.

Your not coming across such reputable scholars does not mean they don't exist. I can assure you they do....

And also, please do not insinuate that laymen are nothing in my view. That is an accusation you are leveling against my character and intention which you are in no way entitled to. Please bear this in mind.

[rootoronpunty]

What a shame...

[CreativeAcrobate]

Hadhrat Mufti Taqi Sahib's opinion is that one cannot categorically say that Saudi Arabia's moonsighting is wrong or label it misguided. Similarly, he has given concession for countries where it is extremely difficult to sight the moon to follow Saudi Arabia.

dear Respected Mufti Saheb (HA)

In the same article Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA) clearly and unambiguously pointing out error in Saudi moon sighting and also saying that Saudia have created the problem

the above 2 quotes seem contradictory to me. one is saying that Mufti Taqi Saheb's opinion is that one cannot say that Saudi moonsighting is wrong, the other quote is saying that according to Mufti Taqi Saheb Saudi IS wrong.

so which one is it? or is there more to this? can someone please provide the english translation of the fatwa?

[sigrekatonov]

Your not coming across such reputable scholars does not mean they don't exist. I can assure you they do....

I would absolutely LOVE to do Eid with the Saudi followers.....
You don't know the pain us laymen (who know 100% that the Saudis are wrong) have to go through to go against the norm in society.

So my question to you Mufti Saheb, why oh why oh why do those reputable scholars you mention who follow Saudi not make a clear and open statement about moonsighting to the masses and why they are following Saudi when an alternative exists.

Give us the daleel that they are using.

[Seiblybiozy]

Shafi'i can follow international sighting

Good, my point was do "deobandies" discuss the 'eid issue with others, like arab 'ulama, salafis, brelwis present in the UK.
Surely muslims have got family members present in any of these groups, so we better sit and discuss this altogether. but I reckon for this to happen we must have regular contacts.

We can cooperate with non-muslims for petty issues wasting hours on administrative issues, but for this 'eid issue I don't know if they even know each other. Khayr Insha'Allah may that's already the case I don't know much that's why I'm asking a knowledgable brother.

[RussellPG]

Good, my point was do "deobandies" discuss the 'eid issue with others, like arab 'ulama, salafis, brelwis present in the UK.
Surely muslims have got family members present in any of these groups, so we better sit and discuss this altogether. but I reckon for this to happen we must have regular contacts.

We can cooperate with non-muslims for petty issues wasting hours on administrative issues, but for this 'eid issue I don't know if they even know each other. Khayr Insha'Allah may that's already the case I don't know much that's why I'm asking a knowledgable brother.

Forwaded to me

"Respected Brother *******

I am a member of the Wifaq ul Ulama and would like to bring to the attention of all on this list that In order to end this mayhem and Ikhtilaf we, the Wifaq ul Ulama, the Batley Mooonsighting committee and Jamiat ul Ulama held many meetings throughout 2010 to try to come to a united criterion for the Moon sighting issue in the UK. Hizb ul Ulama refused to participate in these meetings.

These meetings were arranged by Brother K**** *** from Dewsbury. As far as I can recollect he chaired all the meetings that took place. These meetings were looking very fruitful, and it did genuinely seem to us that we were going to get some form of a united Shariah Compliant criterion. But it was very unfortunate and I think even to the dismay of the representatives sent on behalf of Jamiat ul Ulama Britain, that on the very last hurdle when things were about to be decided by independent Muftiyaan from Darul Iftaa’s chosen by all, the head of Jamiat ul Ulama Mufti A**** Saheb decided to pull out, and deprive us of the unity that we are all craving for and demanding.

Despite many attempts to revive these talks, we have been unable to restart them. I do sincerely hope and pray that now after the confusion and mayhem that has followed this Eid, senior Ulama, influential groups and people can put pressure on these decision making UK groups to come back on the negotiating table to come up with a formula/criterion that is Shariah compliant, free of any doubts and a source of unity for ALL Muslims irrespective of which school of thought they belong to.

(Molana) ***** "

[Prarnenoexpog]

Is this the official view of the shafi madhab or a weak position? I thought shafi follows local sightings not international.

Shafi'i can follow international sighting:



If any country declares Eid/Ramadhan, then you can follow them (if they did that based on moonsighting, not calculation)

Calculations according to Shafi'i (post #10): http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...to-the-hanafis

Wallahu a'lam

[cajonnmu]

Your not coming across such reputable scholars does not mean they don't exist. I can assure you they do....

And also, please do not insinuate that laymen are nothing in my view. That is an accusation you are leveling against my character and intention which you are in no way entitled to. Please bear this in mind.

Dear Respected Mufti Saheb (HA),

I apologise and ask for your forgiveness for the sake of Allah (SWT).

[MedicineForUs]

Provocative statements like this are exactly why the scholars have advised laymen to stay away from this discussion.

seriously, don't tempt me..............if i wanted to be provocative, I would have written what I know which has been confirmed on why saudi is followed.

I think you will also find alot of laymen know more about the topic than scholars, or atleast the few dozen scholars ive spoken to. most scholars ive spoken to just say they dont care and will follow saudi for certain reasons which i wont mention. the ones that do know the issue,accept saudi are wrong still follow saudi for the same reasons.

can you see then why there is frustration.

[MedicineForUs]

Friend of mine, a scholar,invited to his house a dozen or so scholars to explain the whole issue. he spent the best part of a day explaining from the beginning how this whole episode happened in the UK. he provided all sorts of information and his fiqh was solid on why saudi should not be followed. every one of the invited scholars agreed on the information presented, accepted it as being the correct opinion and then still said they will follow saudi. the sooner people realise that the issue is not about academics and fiqh, the sooner we can move on.

[CreativeAcrobate]

seriously, don't tempt me..............if i wanted to be provocative, I would have written what I know which has been confirmed on why saudi is followed.

you should. its not about being provocative, its about speaking the truth even if it goes against everyone here. i wasnt there when you found out what you did so i can neither confirm or deny it. but if you are 100% certain of what you found out then you should tell everyone. the public have the right to know the truth especially when they are being affected by all this.

[Adfcvkdg]

aaww,

i just hope this whole issue is resolved quickly.
INSHALLAH i can experience once again the brilliant atmosphere of EID which i remember when i was young.

PLEASE ,PLEASE, MUFTIS,ULAMA, SCHOLARS, I HUMBLY REQUEST YOU TO TRY YOUR BEST TO RESOLVE THE MOON ISSUE. It is causing so much pain to people like me.
People need direction and ulama are in a position to direct and lead the way.

This should have never become an issue for laymen but its been dragging on for so long that many have got involved.(MASHALLAH some non-ulama are also very knowledgeable on this forum)

PLEASE ULAMA PUT YOUR DIFFERENCES ASIDE AND TALK TO EACH OTHER AND BRING THIS ISSUE TO AN END SO WE CAN BECOME A UNITED PARTY AND HAVE ONE EID IN THE UK.

Some scholars have taken the issue up and i make dua that ALLAH SWT make it an easy task for them and reward them abundantly in both worlds.