[allmyflights]

Asalamu'alykum
I am glad someone has started this thread as it is something that I wanted to discuss as well.

The reason being that she caused a bit of controversy in Bradford when one her recorded speech was played by the local radio station that is aired during the month of Ramadhan. It was the usual "Muslims commit shirk" rhetoric that you hear from so many of the wahabiya.

A lot of women listened to her programmes and her speeches were quite popular. This is a general trend that people who have little in-depth knowledge of Islam are quite impressed by the speeches of the ghair-muqalideen.

Wasalaam Actually , this what she was made for. This is one of the reasons why I wouldn't go out of my country to learn deen . When there are thousands of Islamic schools, and Universities in Pakistan, what led a Muslimah to go to Glassgow , and learn the syllabus prepared by the orientalists? the worst part , that syllabus is prepared by yahoodi orientalists :

She is not just one laddy my bro, you can sense women who are from her category, whenever they start to talk about "veil", and "bare ankles" they'll always give that same explanation, as taught by the disbeleivers.

For those who worry about her being right or wrong, should ask themselves, when the madrassas are being closed by force, being bulldozed, and Scholars are being shot, what leads a woman to get her fame through every media, and every country she goes. In Karachi, her lectures are held at Shereton Hotel, the most expensive hotel in Pakistan.

I read in an online american research weekly(something like raa...) that America is planning to support "moderate" teachers and western-minded "professors", by all means, to defame, and decrease the fame, of the "Fundamentalist" people.
Just take example of every "modern" "moderate" and selfmade "alim"or "alimyani", they are given full fledged coverage, while scholars are willingly being ignored.

Fun point : a brother at an islamic shop told me , that most of the people we saw listening to Dr. Hashimi are men. The way she says "Hazrat Moooossaaaaa", if Hazrat Musa (Alaihi Salaam) were there, would show her some manners.

[allmyflights]

Whose fault is that?

I watch some of our madrasah trained maulvis give the most boring parrot fashion "so and so book says such and such" answers that they would put anyone to sleep.

People would rather hear what the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam said with a correct explanation from our shuyukh when they answer a question rather than "in our mazhab it is like that - I don't know the reason, it is in a book somewhere".

Alhamdolillah at least in the West we have some excellent speakers giving talks from amongst the traditionally trained shuyukh [home grown or from abroad]. They seem to be far more in touch with the needs of the modern times. They also present fiqh, and Islam in general in a far more appealing manner to the masses. Sh. Hamza Yusuf, Sh. Nuh, Sh. Muhammad al-Ya'qoubi and others come to mind. absolutely,
There's just one more thing. When you give the world what they want, they'll obviously take it with both hands. When a person gives the world the version of Islam the "dunya dar"(materialists) seek, why should they not accept it? More interestingly, when they come to know, that the "ease" they are being provided, is directly being taken from the "Authentic" sources of "Qur'an and Hadeeth"(sounds familiar), what reason will there be for a person, who does not goto the madrassa scholars, to not listen to these people?

That is why, even in the early times of the Tablighi Jama'ah practices, the people worked hard to gather the muslims from the different businesses of society, to get attatched to the scholars.

The scholars themselves, should now have understood their own significance in the society. Instead of being "aam mullah", Alhamdulillah, I've started to see people who want to become a "khas Mullah".
The best I can do, is pray that Allah keeps us firm on his sirat almustaqeem.

[hotsaucemidl]

i knw that they use the ehlehadith version of riyadussaaliheen

[Misebeita]

ilm seeker put it concise and very nicely
"As for why she didn't wear a niqab before, then people change. Not everyone is raised wearing a niqab. There must be some good deed that you do now which you didn't do a year ago."

Clearly Usman you should know, since it is you who wrote earlier that you were lost and you found your way back on Islam.
If God can forgive the worst of the criminals when they ask for forgiveness then who are we not to forgive those that God has forgiven.

And I am still at loss about the whole sheraton deal......i have clearly said before that she does not only teach the oppressed women she as well teaches anyone who invites her or asks her to speak she is a scholor therefore it is her duty to convey the message to anyone who wants to listen.

So Usman are you saying that it is wrong to give a lecture in Sheraton? Are you saying that anything of any use *must* be said in a masjid setting and if not then its useless?
Why dont you tell me instead Usman as to what is wrong w/ giving a lecture in Sheraton???????
and on your second part about the Deobandi thing....I will not comment because quite frankly I have no idea what you are talking about.

[allmyflights]

However can you truthfully make a claim that the brightest and the smartest and the most intelligent people in pakistan as they say "Cream of the cream" become mulanas.........can you say the quality of these maulanas and their knowledge is even comparable to those respected Imams?

In those times where the cream of the society were them!
Reply With Quote Ask the parents why they send their "worst" kids to learn the deen of Allah? is the deen of Allah that cheap and insignificant? Nauzbillah. Yet, these Maulanas make those dumb minded people into mashaikhul Hadeeth. They should be lauded , not cursed; it is only for the sake of Allah that these Mullahs, in the middle of deserts, in places where no one ever cared, open madrassas, and in a few years, Allah makes them into full fledged Islamic Universities. One such example is of Jamia Farooqi , Karachi, one of the leading Islamic Universities of Pakistan. If you buy the CD of the lectures of Sheikhul Hadeeth Saleemullah Khan Sahib (Damat Barakatuhum), I have included the picture of the old Madrassa in it.

So much for the cream of the society. Even today, there is not a single madrassa in Pakistan, where one groups of political party, is found beating the other, not once in more than 57 years. On the other hand, the places where "Cream" of the society is made, student killing is common.

As far as being useful is concerned, just one person , Mufti Taqi Usmani, did what the whole collection of Islamic "Research Scholars" couldn't do , i.e. derive a full Islamic economic system for today. Mufti Faisal Ahmed of Jamiatur Rasheed, left his N.E.D University studies to become a Mufti.
Hence the examples are many, but as I said, whoever fullfils the requirement of USA, and their allies, is the "Cream of the society" mullah.

[Misebeita]

Salaam

If those scholors truly are what you call "muhaafiz-e-deen" then why is pakistan moving to worship the west.........
clearly they are not doing their job of changing the image the people have in mind of them the stereotypes that exist.....because all stereotypes are based on facts and most maulvis are uneducated people that should not become authority on the most important part of our lives.

And this existent trend in Pakistan must be drastically changed.

Why is then Farhat Hashmi so popular around the globe and not those maulvis you find in pakistan? I mean there has got to be a reason behind it?
Remember people are not stupid they have brains that can think and formulate decision of their own.......and if the maulivis that dont rest till farhat hashmi is killed were actually educated and taught that which was correct in Islam w/ a broadened mind....then there would be no need for such a revolutionary to exist.

and btw.....what in the world was that "flower flower" comment you made earlier

[sadgpokx]

Bayt ul Kutub also sells Sajid Mir's books, Tafheem ul Quran and even the "tafsir" of Sir Syed, they've got just about everything. I think they could get Qadiani literature for you too, if you ordered it

[Misebeita]

Uh...bro
what aalim ru talking about? u cannot just make wild claims like that....w/o authentication or proof of any kind...
so some scholors say she is wrong...so what? she is an aalimah herself....and i would like you to listen to her lecture any lecture and find a conflict between what she says and what the Quran/Sahih Hadith say.
whoa....about the whole shereton deal....she does not, i repeat she does not only speak to the opressed women....she does after all travel the world...and people educated people as well go to great lengths to hear what she has to say. And tell me brother what in the world does chai have anything to do w/ it .......? A person is there to gain knowledge not to drink black tea!!!!! its sheraton that gives the tea at that price....but what does that have to do w/ her teaching i am completely at a loss of words (partially the reason for me rambling on and on) about what kali chai has anything to w/ it. I mean if people want to listen to her then they invite her and as an aalimah it is her duty to share her knowledge! I mean she is sponsered by people they invite her around the globe....its not that she needs a pulpit from where she can rant.
and...uh....according to a sahih bukhari hadith when asked what part of the women can be seen; Ayesha (peace be upon her) pointed to her hands and face.........
so.....your point is???????????????????
and on the side note i have no idea what your talking about because she does cover her face as well.

So it is not I that needs to come out of the nutshell it is you who needs to open his eyes and broaden the mind and be more accepting.......
and not take your scholors and maulanas as Rabb besides Allah.........and not become like the jews who took their Rabbis as God besides him.

*And how am I pathless??? I follow the path of Al-Islam the one and only true path that actually matters

[loginereQQ]

As sallamu alaikum

Despite her "problems" we must examine ourselves. For all we know she could have more favour with Allah Ta'ala than any of us do. If we need to warn ppl of the ghayr muqalid threat then we should do it tactfully not say that she desires this and that.

Wa alaikum as sallam

[hotsaucemidl]

so does she follow any madhab

[Misebeita]

salaams

Uh brother....are you supporting the uneducated maulanas or not....because your reply seems a bit ambigous. Of course they turn people to the so called "straight path" that is what there job is..........nevertheless the situation in pakistan would not be such dire in terms of religion if we actually made scholors that represent the best of the Prophets teachings..........they repel educated people more then they bring close because of their "lakir kai fakir" teaching and therefore they instead unwillingly promote the worship of the Western culture becuase the people cannot find anything they can truly identify with.

yes and it is sad to say that it is a flaw w/in our own system even w/ me that we stereotype the pakistani scholors as those who know nothing
but remember all stereotypes are based on facts.

for e.g. the maulanas claim that the sol'n to the problems in pakistan is a pure islamic shariah law the same law that works for Saudi........this is the general consensus.......of a lot of maulanas but thats not a permanent sol'n ........ and this system doesnot work well in Saudi....they have to force people to say salat and force women w/ the "security" to wear hijab.....meaning the belief is non existent.....therefore just blindly applying the shariah law when half the people cannot interpret it correctly and the other half doesnot understand it correctly...

[Misebeita]

"More interestingly, when they come to know, that the "ease" they are being provided, is directly being taken from the "Authentic" sources of "Qur'an and Hadeeth"(sounds familiar), what reason will there be for a person, who does not goto the madrassa scholars, to not listen to these people?"

"The scholars themselves, should now have understood their own significance in the society. Instead of being "aam mullah", Alhamdulillah, I've started to see people who want to become a "khas Mullah".
The best I can do, is pray that Allah keeps us firm on his sirat almustaqeem."

In regards to your first statment; the Quran specifically says that we have made this religion easy for you.
Not hard .......... so to impose on yourself useless unprescribed hardships that were never taught by the prophet are pointless

And on your second remark...... I cant speak for all the scholars in Islam but as long as i lived in pakistan specifically nobody listens to the jibber jabber the mullahs are on about all day becauze of one main reason.
Generally speaking obviously....the trend in Pakistan is that the maulanas are people who did not want to study ...... did not want to go to skool....so their mothers would put them in madrasas to become mullahs....and it is these very mullahs that run the clergy and run around giving fatwas on the most important part of our lives. Weird eh? In the time of the prophet and after that it to the time of Imam Abu Hanifa, Hanbal, Malik, Shafiaa; the scholors were the cream of society; the most educated people in matters of religion, sciences mathematics.....people would travel by land for months to be inspired by knowledge uncomparable of any doctor professor or what have you. Then to say that the scholors should be followed would be correct because they have a working vast mind embedded deep in knowledge of faith ....... not that you find nowadays among the pakistani maulanas.. to the extent that i was extremly annoyed when in one of my visits to pkstan the entire jummah khutbah was on if you get the same hasanah if you walk to the masjid or drive! i mean come on.......lets get on w/ that when i left pkstan 6 years ago...this is what i heard....and after i visited 6 years later this is again what i heard!!!
* remember i am speaking in a generality of only the pakistani mullahs.

[allmyflights]

Salaam
Much of my family seems against her lectures but since she has caused such a commotion i decided to listen to her lectures even though she is mainly adressing the women, and aside from the fact that i find her voice a tad bit annoying what she says makes perfect sense, completely correct information, to the extent i even got one of the imams in the masjid to listen to her lecture and he was impressed.
Everything she says is backed....either by sahih hadith or the Quran and that is why she poses such an annoyance to the narrowminded "maulanas and peer sahibs" in pakistan because they cannot say she is lying.

She was in Toronto some time ago and I had the pleasure of talking to her husband who said that her main objective is to educate the women in pakistan in places where they are being opressed where there God - given rights are being taken away by the maulanas with ulterior motives. It is a general trend among the uneducated people in pakistan where they really abuse their wives and tell them this is the command of God when truly nothing can be further from the truth. And if someone finds something wrong with that then you really got issues.

Personally I believe if the women are educated then society as a whole rises from ignorance because a child always learns from his/her mother not the father (generally speaking)

So before you guys comment on her teachings you have to listen on your own and formulate your own opinion not any heresay that you get on the streets.
Wasallam wa'alaikumus salaam,

Naw,
Why would you go around and make such a comment? because she's pathless like you?

Secondly, the scholars said she is wrong, because she's an embezzeler. What would lead a "reformist" lady to deceitfully add an extra paragraph in a book of a "Muqallid" aalim, totally changing the meaning of the whole book, and ofcourse publish it without asking the owners first?

Is this some form of "Women" liberation? Come'on, don't be so much in a nutshell, and learn to accept the truth.She's fraud.
Secondly, I don't remember any women's God-Given rights being taken away in shereton hotel, where a cup of tea is Rs.250(without milk). He mureedanis even today, don't cover their faces, when she started to come on TV, everyone saw her bare-face.

More to come, just come out of that small rock you're hiding under, the one that has hatred for all muqallids, and love for all who call them mushrik,bid'ati, blah blah.

[Misebeita]

"re-publishes the abbrogated version of Sunni Hanafi Deobandi Muqallid Molvi's Books"

what is the name of the book that she has republished?
Give references .............
Such that I can find it myself if you are indeed truthful




*And again ...you are commenting on hearsay on the streets .... would it kill you to listen to her lecture and then tell me where she is lying??

And i rebuke your comment on me being pathless............
you have no authority whatsoever as to call me pathless when I *try to stay on the path defined by the Prophet.

[Nikkkola]

A well known shaikh said: Nine out of ten things she says is accurate, the tenth thing causes the most fitnah.

[allmyflights]

Agree2 sister Muslimah,

Sheikh Qasim Nanotwi , the Qasimul Uloom wal Khayraat - Rahimahullah said :

"who listens to us ghuraba nowadays, just the Molvi who is Lessaani, and "laffaz", the masses tend to bend towards him". That was like a hundred and twenty five years back.

(excluding Maulana Riyadhul Haqq and Maulana Ahmed Ali etc. )

[shemadagaswer]

brother alibaba, please do mind your language about maulvis. If you think their education is nt well enough then you're making a big mistake. Its not their fault that you aren't affiliated enough with them to see their beauty, and the beauty of Islam in them. There's no way a college graduate can match an "AALIM" out of a madrasa. Well, some people get offended by slandering "MAULVIS" (MAULA WALAY) and it is like slandering their mom in front of the crowd, so please do mind your language. After all, they are muhaafiz-e-deen, and just because you were parrot fed from your childhood that maulvis are "such and such" doesnt mean they are "such and such".

Isnt tahreef in one of Mufti-e-Azam's (Mufti Muhammad Shafi (RA) ) book enough proof of 'cheap fame'?

[allmyflights]

who can make that claim that a specific scholor is self appointed or not? Is it a requirement in the Quran that any authority on Islam must be a student of some corner Dar-u-salam madrasah in pakistan.....????? ^an answer to this is already given in the thread, "The need for ijazah". Find yourself.

Still, stepping aside from all this for a moment(not running away), let's just answer me, "how can a woman who teaches in five star hotels, and re-publishes the abbrogated version of Sunni Hanafi Deobandi Muqallid Molvi's Books, be honest about teaching Islam?"

Now I would not move from this point until it has been cleared out.

[Misebeita]

Salaam
Much of my family seems against her lectures but since she has caused such a commotion i decided to listen to her lectures even though she is mainly adressing the women, and aside from the fact that i find her voice a tad bit annoying what she says makes perfect sense, completely correct information, to the extent i even got one of the imams in the masjid to listen to her lecture and he was impressed.
Everything she says is backed....either by sahih hadith or the Quran and that is why she poses such an annoyance to the narrowminded "maulanas and peer sahibs" in pakistan because they cannot say she is lying.

She was in Toronto some time ago and I had the pleasure of talking to her husband who said that her main objective is to educate the women in pakistan in places where they are being opressed where there God - given rights are being taken away by the maulanas with ulterior motives. It is a general trend among the uneducated people in pakistan where they really abuse their wives and tell them this is the command of God when truly nothing can be further from the truth. And if someone finds something wrong with that then you really got issues.

Personally I believe if the women are educated then society as a whole rises from ignorance because a child always learns from his/her mother not the father (generally speaking)

So before you guys comment on her teachings you have to listen on your own and formulate your own opinion not any heresay that you get on the streets.
Wasallam

[hotsaucemidl]

iv heard she is very popular amongst women and helping them learn and understand quran along with bringing back the hijaab in society ,but some people do not like her can some one please pin point where did she go wrong
jazakallah khair