[9V4i8xw1]

Whenever I am reading the Quran and have it laying on the ground while I am reading it I will sometimes have someone come up to me and tell me to pick it up off the ground. Also, I always see people kissing the Quran after reading it. Is there any evidence for any of this in the Hadith? The Prophet(pbuh), the Sahaba, and the Tabieen were the best of the Muslims and would have given the Quran the best respect. Is there any evidence that they did this?

[bettingonosports]

You just don't put al-Quran on the ground.

As for kissing the mushaf, it is a mark of respect and we know that it was done by the great Companions such as `Umar and `Uthman. See Ibn `Abidin, Hashiyat radd al-muhtar 5:244-246;
also `Ikrima ibn Abi Jahl used to kiss it: see al-Zarkashi, `Ulum al-Qur'an 1:478 and this is confirmed by Imam Ahmad as Ibn Taymiyya admits in Mukhtasar al-fatawa al-misriyya p. 265. http://www.sunnah.org/ibadaat/kissqrn.htm

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.p...8584b3a8407e75

[HartOvara]

In I'tikaf, Hadhrat Yusuf Motala (db) mentioned that Hadhrat 'Ikrimah used to kiss the Qur'an.

[9V4i8xw1]

@alfatiha: That still does not give me direct hadith evidence as all of the people and works you cited were complied/born hundreds of years after the hijrah. I'm sure these people didn't make this up which is why i'm asking where the primary source of the hadith is? Why cite the scholar when you can cite what the scholar is citing? Please give me the book and number of the hadith. Thank you.


Also, you said "You just don't put al-Quran on the ground." please give me evidence.

[bettingonosports]

@alfatiha: That still does not give me direct hadith evidence as all of the people and works you cited were complied/born hundreds of years after the hijrah. I'm sure these people didn't make this up which is why i'm asking where the primary source of the hadith is? Why cite the scholar when you can cite what the scholar is citing? Please give me the book and number of the hadith. Thank you.

You asked for the reference from Sahabah. Ikrimah is a Sahabi, Umar, Uthman are Sahabi. What else?

During the Prophet's time, the Quran was not bound into book. Keep that in mind.

Also, you said "You just don't put al-Quran on the ground." please give me evidence.

You give evidence why it is not.

[hansen384cbh]

Also, you said "You just don't put al-Quran on the ground." please give me evidence.

bro,

One would not take food out of the plate and place it on the floor. Out of the respect of food. The Quran should be respected even more. Scholars are of the opinion that Quran should not be placed on the floor.

[9V4i8xw1]

Re: Kissing the Quran and setting it on the ground.
Originally Posted by rahl404
@alfatiha: That still does not give me direct hadith evidence as all of the people and works you cited were complied/born hundreds of years after the hijrah. I'm sure these people didn't make this up which is why i'm asking where the primary source of the hadith is? Why cite the scholar when you can cite what the scholar is citing? Please give me the book and number of the hadith. Thank you.
You asked for the reference from Sahabah. Ikrimah is a Sahabi, Umar, Uthman are Sahabi. What else?

During the Prophet's time, the Quran was not bound into book. Keep that in mind.

Originally Posted by rahl404
Also, you said "You just don't put al-Quran on the ground." please give me evidence.
You give evidence why it is not. Sorry, my first post didn't go through, I know that Ikrimah was a sahabi, as well as Umar and Uthman. However the other people and works you cited were not collectors of hadith, they were commentators on hadith. Give me the hadith please. As they are Muslims and said that this happened i am required to believe it until I receive proof otherwise. I am also allowed to demand that this proof be brought forward.

Also, it is not upon me to provide you with the proof that it is allowed. It is upon you to provide me with the proof that it is not allowed. We have an easy religion, if it wasn't forbidden then you cannot say that it is.

[q9h9pPne]

Also, it is not upon me to provide you with the proof that it is allowed. It is upon you to provide me with the proof that it is not allowed. We have an easy religion, if it wasn't forbidden then you cannot say that it is.

Bro these are etiquttes. following etiquettes are good, which will make you humble. knowledge makes a person humble, acting according to etiquttes makes a person humble. not following etiquttes isnt haram. you know better which one to adopt.

[9V4i8xw1]

Originally Posted by rahl404
Also, you said "You just don't put al-Quran on the ground." please give me evidence.
bro,

One would not take food out of the plate and place it on the floor. Out of the respect of food. The Quran should be respected even more. Scholars are of the opinion that Quran should not be placed on the floor. Scholars can believe something is a sign of respect for themselves. I respect the Quran by reading it and following what it tells me to. To blanketly say that something like this is bad without evidence seems irresponsible to me. Again I call for evidence.

[BUMbaronos]

Scholars can believe something is a sign of respect for themselves. I respect the Quran by reading it and following what it tells me to. To blanketly say that something like this is bad without evidence seems irresponsible to me. Again I call for evidence.

How is kissing the Qur'an contradicting the Sharia? The prophet SAW used to kiss the black rock,you think the words of Allah are on a lower status?

[9V4i8xw1]

Originally Posted by rahl404
Also, it is not upon me to provide you with the proof that it is allowed. It is upon you to provide me with the proof that it is not allowed. We have an easy religion, if it wasn't forbidden then you cannot say that it is.

Bro these are etiquttes. following etiquettes are good, which will make you humble. knowledge makes a person humble, acting according to etiquttes makes a person humble. not following etiquttes isnt haram. you know better which one to adopt. I agree. and following etiquette of the prophet(pbuh) and the sahaba such as having wudu before touching the Quran are required etiquette. These other things, without evidence, are just things these scholars believe is respect and is part of their etiquette, and without evidence, should not be blanketed on the entire Ummah.

[hansen384cbh]

I agree. and following etiquette of the prophet(pbuh) and the sahaba such as having wudu before touching the Quran are required etiquette. These other things, without evidence, are just things these scholars believe is respect and is part of their etiquette, and without evidence, should not be blanketed on the entire Ummah.

Brother, even if we see a normal book lying on the floor we pick it up and place it on a table. People usually respect books. We know well Quran is not a normal book, it is the only book that is free of error, above all its Allah's commands in that book. So don't you think it deserves a lot more respect, bro.

[onlyfun_biziness]

isit a big deal to just not put it on the floor if people find it offensive? people feel that the quran is no ordinary book that it should be respected more than an ordinary book and so do not place it on the floor or on a dirty place

if people feel that way about the quran isnt it a good thing? so just respect it, its not going to hurt you to not put it on the floor to stop aggitating the hearts of those who feel its disrespectiful

[9V4i8xw1]

How is kissing the Qur'an contradicting the Sharia? The prophet SAW used to kiss the black rock,you think the words of Allah are on a lower status? Bro, I never said any of that. I was asking for evidence if this is required upon me to do or even if it was something the sahaba or the tabieen used to do. I believe that the prophet(pbuh) and the subsequent generations were the best Muslims and that if they did not see this as a sign of respect for the Quran, then it must not be a very strong sign of respect except among the people who see it that way in themselves. As I have stated earlier, I accept that the sahaba did this because my muslim brother alfatiha cited that they did, and I will continue to accept this until proof is given to me otherwise. Now I request the hadith evidence source of this.

[9V4i8xw1]

Brother, even if we see a normal book lying on the floor we pick it up and place it on a table. People usually respect books. We know well Quran is not a normal book, it is the only book that is free of error, above all its Allah's commands in that book. So don't you think it deserves a lot more respect, bro. When I am reading the Quran and have it spread on the floor I am respecting it more than having it sitting collecting dust on the table. To say that I am disrespecting the Quran while I am reading it because I have it on the ground, without evidence, is wrong. I think When someone comes by and interrupts me to tell me to lift the book off the ground they are disrespecting me not preventing me from disrespecting the Quran.

[q9h9pPne]

Scholars can believe something is a sign of respect for themselves.

bro, scholars feel it after reading the quran and all other knowledge, which you also claim to read by laying on the ground. so the output is definately not the same as you can see.

should not be blanketed on the entire Ummah.

bro etiqutte is eiquette. none will force you in jail or put in hell for not following it. its a open highway. Act with wisdom so that we can walk together with ummah and not a alone traveller.

When I am reading the Quran and have it spread on the floor I am respecting it more than having it sitting collecting dust on the table. [B]

you mean there are more dust on the table than floor? it got nothing to do with dust. Its adaab bro. Etiquettes are there to learn and not judging via logic or feeling.

[9V4i8xw1]

bro etiqutte is eiquette. none will force you in jail or put in hell for not following it. its a open highway. Act with wisdom so that we can walk together with ummah and not a alone traveller. Bro, the etiquette of Islam was established by the Prophet(pbuh). What was not established by him for any reason was established by the sahaba. And what was not established by them for any reason was almost definitely established by the tabieen. This is why I am asking for evidence.

[Cabinanteerip]

Salam Aleykum,

1- What you must not do is place the Quran in a dirty place filled with Najas, the ground is not a good place to put the Quran because it's not clean, you place it in a clean place like on a shelf, dust doesn't matter, we make Tayammum with dust, but filth and Najas do matter and the floor has a lot of that whether you notice it or not, also if you place it on the ground one day you might step on it by mistake, thus stepping on the name of Allah, better to show love and care for the Quran and keep it in top shape, Allah will reward you for taking care of his book.

Allah says in chapter 80:
So whoever wills may remember it. (12) [It is recorded] in honored sheets, (13) Exalted and purified, (14)

Better keep it in a location where you know it will be clean.

2- As for kissing the Quran, if it is done as an act of love and respect to the words of Allah then what is the problem? Now I know where you're coming from here:

Al-Bukhari and AI-Tirmidhi related on the authority of Amir Ibn Rabia' who said, "I saw Omar Ibn Al-Khattab kissing the Black Stone, and I heard him say, `I know well that you are simply a stone, and have no power to confer a benefit or to do harm. Had I not seen the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace be upon him) kissing you, I would not have kissed you."' (5, v. 2, p. 175). AI-Bukhari and Al-Tirmidhi said it was a good and sound Hadith.

But even if we have no Hadith about the Prophet SAWS kissing the Mushaf that does not mean that kissing it is not allowed.

As for the Hadith of 'Ikrimah yes he did kiss the Quran or place it on his face and say "This is the speech of my Lord, This is the speech of my Lord" as recorded in al-Haythami's Majma'a al-Zawaed with Mursal chain of Narrators which he deemed to be those of the Sahih.

[soSldI4i]

When I am reading the Quran and have it spread on the floor I am respecting it more than having it sitting collecting dust on the table. To say that I am disrespecting the Quran while I am reading it because I have it on the ground, without evidence, is wrong. I think When someone comes by and interrupts me to tell me to lift the book off the ground they are disrespecting me not preventing me from disrespecting the Quran.

Slm,

In the story of the Jews who came to the Prophet (saw) asking about the punishment for adultery, the Prophet asked for the Torah, and he asked for a cushion, and he put the Torah on the cushion.

If that is the sort of respect to be shown to a Jewish book, don't u think Allahs book deserves to be even higher.

Also, Allah says in the quran "wa kalimatullahi heal ulya" so that is proof to keep it raised.

[q9h9pPne]

Bro, the etiquette of Islam was established by the Prophet(pbuh).

Not true, etiquette of prophet(sw) are known as sunnah. Study life of sahaba(rd) and salaf. and the etiquettes werent bound only at sahaba-tabii time. etiquettes are something good, and good doesnt stop at the time of tabii.