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Old 05-05-2011, 12:39 AM   #1
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Default Tahir ul Qadri on kufr





I don't know if I fully understood but I understand the punishment for one who insults the Prophet . But is it really true that there is no chance for one who does so to be forgiven? No matter how much they make Tauba, they will still end up in hell?

Sorry for the double post but I really need an answer.
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Old 05-05-2011, 12:46 AM   #2
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Brother stop listening to him. He don't have taqwa. Just type tahir ul qadri dance in youtube search and see his truth.
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Old 05-05-2011, 12:47 AM   #3
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No, there are chance if the make sincere tauba.
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Old 05-05-2011, 12:50 AM   #4
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Brother stop listening to him. He don't have taqwa. Just type tahir ul qadri dance in youtube search and see his truth.
I don't normally listen to him. Here is the thing. I have a friend who once did say something direspectful but now he's changed and become religious, and I really wonder about that. Should janazah be prayed on him? Would the hukm for this still apply, even if he has changed himself and is a completely different person?
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Old 05-05-2011, 12:55 AM   #5
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I don't normally listen to him. Here is the thing. I have a friend who once did say something direspectful but now he's changed and become religious, and I really wonder about that. Should janazah be prayed on him? Would the hukm for this still apply, even if he has changed himself and is a completely different person?
Door for taubah is open till we breath. Now that your friend had become religious he would have done istighfar. So the issue is closed now.

May Allah make your friend more firm in deen.
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Old 05-05-2011, 01:01 AM   #6
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Door for taubah is open till we breath. Now that your friend had become religious he would have done istighfar. So the issue is closed now.

May Allah make your friend more firm in deen.
Ameen.
Of course he's done istighfar, my question is about whether Allah would accept it in the first place. Unless, I misunderstood, the video says or such a person there is no taubah.
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Old 05-05-2011, 01:03 AM   #7
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Ameen.
Of course he's done istighfar, my question is about whether Allah would accept it in the first place. Unless, I misunderstood, the video says or such a person there is no taubah.
I you still have confusion, read the histiory how Umar r.a came into Islam.
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Old 05-05-2011, 01:05 AM   #8
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I you still have confusion, read the histiory how Umar r.a came into Islam.
You are right about that. But than why would this be suggested in the first place? Is it different for a kafir who does it and then embraces Islam as opposed to a Muslim who becomes murtad by saying it?
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Old 05-05-2011, 10:14 AM   #9
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Everybody is prone to commit error, mistake or sin. Allah is merciful and likes very much to forgive the mistake/sins.

Don't care for what the video says.
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Old 05-05-2011, 10:28 AM   #10
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Jazakullah Khair for your answers.
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Old 05-05-2011, 10:51 AM   #11
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Allah says in the Qur'an:

"Say, 'O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful.'"

All sins are forgiven by repentance, even shirk. If Allah can accept someone's repentance from shirk, why will He not accept someone's repentance from any other action?
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Old 05-05-2011, 10:59 AM   #12
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Allah says in the Qur'an:

"Say, 'O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful.'"

All sins are forgiven by repentance, even shirk. If Allah can accept someone's repentance from shirk, why will He not accept someone's repentance from any other action?
This is a kufr worse than any kufr. And I think, unless I'm mistaken due to my less than perfect urdu, that in the video he is saying that there is no forgiveness for this kind of kufr.
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Old 05-05-2011, 11:02 AM   #13
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This is a kufr worse than any kufr. And I think, unless I'm mistaken due to my less than perfect urdu, that in the video he is saying that there is no forgiveness for this kind of kufr.


There is no sin worse than shirk. There is no kufr worse than shirk. Shirk is the biggest sin. So, I do not understand what Mr. Qadri is saying in the video without evidence.
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Old 05-05-2011, 11:41 AM   #14
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Also in the Qur'aan is Ebrahim Alayhis Salaam's words:

قَالَ وَمَنْ يَقْنَطُ مِنْ رَحْمَةِ رَبِّهِ إِلَّا الضَّالُّونَ

"He said, 'And who despairs of his Lord's mercy except the misguided?'"
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Old 05-05-2011, 01:15 PM   #15
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I just saw the following video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hxt3W8_5jA

I don't know if I fully understood but I understand the punishment for one who insults the Prophet . But is it really true that there is no chance for one who does so to be forgiven? No matter how much they make Tauba, they will still end up in hell?

Sorry for the double post but I really need an answer.
Assalamoualaikoum

This is a very dangerous thing he's saying. If a person believe that there's no chance of being forgiven for a certain sin, then that person may continue sinning as he will be of the belief that this will not change the end result... This could lead to further types of sins.

To insult the Prophet(saw) is indeed a grave sin which takes you our of Islam but the door of tawba is large open till one is still alive.

And Allah Ta'ala knows best

Ayaz
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Old 05-05-2011, 05:12 PM   #16
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so tahirul pari has passed a fatwah against the guidance in the quran?
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Old 05-05-2011, 05:43 PM   #17
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confusedmuslim Brother, I do not know the reason you adopted such a signature. But, may I make the humble request to change it? Subhan Allah, how come my brother be confused with your such logical comments I see in this forum. You must have already past the stage of confusion (if at all you had one) that is so apparent from your comments. In fact we humans are confused in some aspects or other of our lives. Hope you do not take offence for my request.
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Old 05-05-2011, 05:54 PM   #18
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funnily enough, when Salman Taseer was killed, tahir ul qadris organisation said:

When a murderer was being hailed by many intolerant and narrow-minded clerics as a hero for killing the Governor of Punjab Mr Salman Taseer it was only Dr Qadri’s organisation that rejected that view. Minhaj-ul-Quran believes that the killer should be punished because an act of violence can never be justified and it is regarded as a criminal act. Furthermore, Minhaj-ul-Quran had close links with the late Mr Salman Taseer who in turn was very supportive of its work and visited the Minhaj ul Quran headquarters and delivered various speeches.

http://media.minhajuk.org/?p=752

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Old 05-05-2011, 05:57 PM   #19
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Allah's will is amazing that when I randomly click any bayan, it ends up the one that I need to hear... I randomly clicked on my downloaded bayans and I came across the one in which Moulana Yunus Patel saheb gives tafseer of the br abdulwahhab gave.

http://yunuspatel.net/Audio/2011/majlis/m07-02-2011.mp3
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Old 05-05-2011, 06:23 PM   #20
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funnily enough, when Salman Taseer was killed, tahir ul qadris organisation said:

When a murderer was being hailed by many intolerant and narrow-minded clerics as a hero for killing the Governor of Punjab Mr Salman Taseer it was only Dr Qadri’s organisation that rejected that view. Minhaj-ul-Quran believes that the killer should be punished because an act of violence can never be justified and it is regarded as a criminal act. Furthermore, Minhaj-ul-Quran had close links with the late Mr Salman Taseer who in turn was very supportive of its work and visited the Minhaj ul Quran headquarters and delivered various speeches.

http://media.minhajuk.org/?p=752

i didnt know that, I thought the barelvis supported mumtaz qadri across the board....disgusted....
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