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**Qdkczrdi** · 08-26-2011, 10:19 PM

No Point in arguing .. my friend here doesnt want to talk about the Kashmir issue because like every Indian Muslim he doesnt want to "betray India" i dont have the time to debate on Political matters ! so its better not to argue with ignorants ! Peace

**cigattIcTot** · 08-26-2011, 10:34 PM

see how he stresses the fact to destroy Pakistan ! shall i say more now ? India is united ? how ? u ignore the victims of Kashmir Gujrat riots ! is this unity u dont even dare say anything about india's regarding war crimes saying " we cant betray India " is this unity ? this is cowardliness cowardliness!

Shariah board ? whaaatt ?lol ! now this is a joke ! Shariah that allows muslims to partake in the Hindu Festivals where as Hazrat Umar R.A said avoid the festivals of Kuffar so that the Wrath of Allah S.W.T doesnt fall on u !

Perhaps your political leaders tell you such stories to gain votes. And history is proof. Since the inception of Pakistan, the war for ruler ship is being going on. One fellow will kill prime minister and become president and then again democracy wins and then suddenly the prime minister is ousted and military rule come in and is has been continuing and Allah knows best until when it will continue..............

Muslims have never step back against Gujarat riots either, everyone has condemned it. The situation there is just like in pakistan. Mushraff demolishes the mosque and people couldn't do anything, similarly the government there has helped rioters and the normal people couldn't do anything.

And your so called political leaders (firstly I wonder, how a Muslim country has various parties and democracy) show you a big picture of kashmir.. In reality it is not that worst...

Shariah board ? whaaatt ?lol ! now this is a joke ! Shariah that allows muslims to partake in the Hindu Festivals Now every brother on this forum with little bit of knowledge of whats happening in the world will know who is ignorant

**cigattIcTot** · 08-26-2011, 10:38 PM

No Point in arguing .. my friend here doesnt want to talk about the Kashmir issue because like every Indian Muslim he doesnt want to "betray India" i dont have the time to debate on Political matters ! so its better not to argue with ignorants ! Peace

There is no matter of betraying. A true Muslim can never betray his master.. These are basic principles of Islam.

And why you will not discuss about political matters ? Is it because your politicians has sold the Islamic principles to the west ?

**cigattIcTot** · 08-26-2011, 10:41 PM

SubhanAllah u ignore my question on kashmir and here u go on talking about Pakistan wow !! various sects ! its all being done by the U.S agents who want to trigger a secterain war in Pakistan if u dont believe check this statement of Ben Gurion

" The world Zionist movement should not be neglectful of the dangers of Pakistan to it. And Pakistan now should be its first target, for this ideological State is a threat to our existence. And Pakistan, the whole of it, hates the Jews and loves the Arabs.

This lover of the Arabs is more dangerous to us than the Arabs themselves. For that matter, it is most essential for the world Zionism that it should now take immediate steps against Pakistan.

Whereas the inhabitants of the Indian peninsula are Hindus whose hearts have been full of hatred towards Muslims, therefore, India is the most important base for us to work therefrom against Pakistan.

It is essential that we exploit this base and strike and crush Pakistanis, enemies of Jews and Zionism, by all disguised and secret plans.”

The people who love to fulfill Jews actions enter and stay in your country, make operation to kill osama bin laden and no one knows what has happened

**Qdkczrdi** · 08-26-2011, 10:42 PM

again u are accusing here .. i suggest u go and research the life of Dr.Iqbal and Mr.Jinnah so u can know that Pakistan was founded on the base of Islam and implementing its rules .. u are now being a highly ignorant person .. after the Assassination of Liaquat Ali Khan at the hands of CIA u can say every ruler has been worthless but Pakistan was founded on the basis of Islam .. and this is the sign of Ignorance ! u are continuously ignoring the Kashmir issue which tells how much a Muslim u are ! why are u debating on Political matter where as the topic is Kashmir ?

is condemning enough ? will this help the victims u tell me ?

haha u dont need to tell me i have been to India on many occasions and i have seen how Muslim partake in Hindu Festivals and no one stops it so much for the Sharia !!!

**Qdkczrdi** · 08-26-2011, 10:44 PM

There is no matter of betraying. A true Muslim can never betray his master.. These are basic principles of Islam.

And why you will not discuss about political matters ? Is it because your politicians has sold the Islamic principles to the west ?

haha then why are u ignoring the Kashmir issue and trying to involve me in a Political matter ?

haha i dont argue because its a matter of politics and i prefer talking about Islamic matters ! and talk about my country what about urs which buys weapons from the Israelis who are the biggest enemies of Islam yet the Muslims say nothing

**Qdkczrdi** · 08-26-2011, 10:45 PM

The people who love to fulfill Jews actions enter and stay in your country, make operation to kill osama bin laden and no one knows what has happened

ahhh... rightly it is said that u can gain nothing from talking to an ignorant person !

so i would say to u peace as i dont have the time to talk to a person who is living in a Ignorant world of his

**cigattIcTot** · 08-26-2011, 10:47 PM

again u are accusing here .. i suggest u go and research the life of Dr.Iqbal and Mr.Jinnah so u can know that Pakistan was founded on the base of Islam and implementing its rules .. u are now being a highly ignorant person .. after the Assassination of Liaquat Ali Khan at the hands of CIA u can say every ruler has been worthless but Pakistan was founded on the basis of Islam .. and this is the sign of Ignorance ! u are continuously ignoring the Kashmir issue which tells how much a Muslim u are ! why are u debating on Political matter where as the topic is Kashmir ?

is condemning enough ? will this help the victims u tell me ?

haha u dont need to tell me i have been to India on many occasions and i have seen how Muslim partake in Hindu Festivals and no one stops it so much for the Sharia !!!

You may be seeing those salman, sharuq of movies who are some way related to hindu's (wife, mother, girl friend etc...). A true muslim never does such acts.

And more than india, its Pakistani so called scholars who participate. Do you remember Mr. Tahir qadri cutting cake for Christmas lol

And regarding Jinnah. If its was for Islamic purpose.. then why him or his sub-ordinates didn't establish khilafa and rather opted for kuffar cultured democracy ?

**cigattIcTot** · 08-26-2011, 10:48 PM

ahhh... rightly it is said that u can gain nothing from talking to an ignorant person !

so i would say to u peace as i dont have the time to talk to a person who is living in a Ignorant world of his

Instead of labeling me ignorant. Can you please provide some explanations to enlighten me

**Qdkczrdi** · 08-26-2011, 10:52 PM

haha movies lol ! i have seen my cousin going around and participating in such events lol about movies i dont watch **** !

Tahir Qadri is a fitna who is doing nothing but trying to destroy Sharia ! but still he doesnt go on and have the red dot applied on his forhead .. i say again u are running away from the real matter and engaging me in a pointless argue so its better to stop because i dont like to waste my time

he was about to implement the law but his death didnt help the cause .. and also u can read the constitution it says nothing will be against Quran and Sunnah

**actrisski** · 08-26-2011, 10:53 PM

Brothers please refrain from arguing today. This is the night of Qadr.

1 night equivalent to 1000 months. I beg you two to stop. Atleast for the night.

**Qdkczrdi** · 08-26-2011, 10:54 PM

Instead of labeling me ignorant. Can you please provide some explanations to enlighten me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIuSucJ5EBk watch this and be the fair judge !

**Qdkczrdi** · 08-26-2011, 10:55 PM

Brothers please refrain from arguing today. This is the night of Qadr.
1 night equivalent to 1000 months. I beg you two to stop. Atleast for the night.

Wasalam

ask the mods to delete the thread my friend here is involving me in a baseless argument and ignores the Kashmir issue

**q9h9pPne** · 08-26-2011, 10:56 PM

Now every brother on this forum with little bit of knowledge of whats happening in the world will know who is ignorant

still you bother to waste your ramadhan time with kids?

**cigattIcTot** · 08-26-2011, 10:57 PM

haha movies lol ! i have seen my cousin going around and participating in such events lol about movies i dont watch **** !

Tahir Qadri is a fitna who is doing nothing but trying to destroy Sharia ! but still he doesnt go on and have the red dot applied on his forhead .. i say again u are running away from the real matter and engaging me in a pointless argue so its better to stop because i dont like to waste my time

he was about to implement the law but his death didnt help the cause .. and also u can read the constitution it says nothing will be against Quran and Sunnah

I am not at all running away from the point... The point is clear. There are some mishandling of Muslims in Kashmir (a Muslim dominated state), mainly because of Pakistani terrorism there and the Pakistani leaders and terrorists use Kashmir to its full benefit. There are places where Muslims are less in number compared to Kashmir and has more trouble.. Why don't you bother about them ?

When the ruling system is only not according to Quran and Sunnah.. then how do we expect other things to be according to sunnah

**Qdkczrdi** · 08-26-2011, 11:01 PM

Some ? since 1947 indian army has killed 10000 muslims and u say some ? Pakistani terrorism ? haha typical indian ! what terrorism are u talking about ? to fight for the honor of Muslim is terrorism ? thats new to me .. i told u this again the muslim are not being tortured like they are being in Kashmir and still the Muslim in india remain silent on this ? why ?

**actrisski** · 08-26-2011, 11:02 PM

I m getting out of this place.

Everyone please make dua for this sinner and all the Muslims in the world. We need each others duas.

**cigattIcTot** · 08-26-2011, 11:03 PM

still you bother to waste your ramadhan time with kids?

It's sometimes fun u know

anyway I am out for taraweeh (20 rakats

)... So c u all later

**cigattIcTot** · 08-26-2011, 11:06 PM

Some ? since 1947 indian army has killed 10000 muslims and u say some ? Pakistani terrorism ? haha typical indian ! what terrorism are u talking about ? to fight for the honor of Muslim is terrorism ? thats new to me .. i told u this again the muslim are not being tortured like they are being in Kashmir and still the Muslim in india remain silent on this ? why ?

A person who kills innocent women, children, aged persons or anyone not related to war is violating the basic rule of Jihad. You people are not fighting for the honor of Muslims there. That is why you were not able to win a single war. If you really fought for honor of Muslims, you would be ruling the world today

Try to bring your mind into some action now using the saying of Allah and Prophet

...OK

**Qdkczrdi** · 08-26-2011, 11:11 PM

It's sometimes fun u know

anyway I am out for taraweeh (20 rakats )... So c u all later

well there is a quote of Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique RA that when some ignorant apporaches you say peace and get away my job was to tell you the truth but you are denying it so you will be answerable for that on the day of judgement , JAZAKALLAH Khair , you guys need another Muhammad Bin Qasim , till then enjoy , the end of every transgressor be it america , israel india and iran is near

08-26-2011, 10:19 PM	#21
Qdkczrdi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 505 Senior Member	No Point in arguing .. my friend here doesnt want to talk about the Kashmir issue because like every Indian Muslim he doesnt want to "betray India" i dont have the time to debate on Political matters ! so its better not to argue with ignorants ! Peace Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-26-2011, 10:34 PM	#22
cigattIcTot Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 409 Senior Member	see how he stresses the fact to destroy Pakistan ! shall i say more now ? India is united ? how ? u ignore the victims of Kashmir Gujrat riots ! is this unity u dont even dare say anything about india's regarding war crimes saying " we cant betray India " is this unity ? this is cowardliness cowardliness! Shariah board ? whaaatt ?lol ! now this is a joke ! Shariah that allows muslims to partake in the Hindu Festivals where as Hazrat Umar R.A said avoid the festivals of Kuffar so that the Wrath of Allah S.W.T doesnt fall on u ! Perhaps your political leaders tell you such stories to gain votes. And history is proof. Since the inception of Pakistan, the war for ruler ship is being going on. One fellow will kill prime minister and become president and then again democracy wins and then suddenly the prime minister is ousted and military rule come in and is has been continuing and Allah knows best until when it will continue.............. Muslims have never step back against Gujarat riots either, everyone has condemned it. The situation there is just like in pakistan. Mushraff demolishes the mosque and people couldn't do anything, similarly the government there has helped rioters and the normal people couldn't do anything. And your so called political leaders (firstly I wonder, how a Muslim country has various parties and democracy) show you a big picture of kashmir.. In reality it is not that worst... Shariah board ? whaaatt ?lol ! now this is a joke ! Shariah that allows muslims to partake in the Hindu Festivals Now every brother on this forum with little bit of knowledge of whats happening in the world will know who is ignorant Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-26-2011, 10:38 PM	#23
cigattIcTot Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 409 Senior Member	No Point in arguing .. my friend here doesnt want to talk about the Kashmir issue because like every Indian Muslim he doesnt want to "betray India" i dont have the time to debate on Political matters ! so its better not to argue with ignorants ! Peace There is no matter of betraying. A true Muslim can never betray his master.. These are basic principles of Islam. And why you will not discuss about political matters ? Is it because your politicians has sold the Islamic principles to the west ? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-26-2011, 10:41 PM	#24
cigattIcTot Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 409 Senior Member	SubhanAllah u ignore my question on kashmir and here u go on talking about Pakistan wow !! various sects ! its all being done by the U.S agents who want to trigger a secterain war in Pakistan if u dont believe check this statement of Ben Gurion " The world Zionist movement should not be neglectful of the dangers of Pakistan to it. And Pakistan now should be its first target, for this ideological State is a threat to our existence. And Pakistan, the whole of it, hates the Jews and loves the Arabs. This lover of the Arabs is more dangerous to us than the Arabs themselves. For that matter, it is most essential for the world Zionism that it should now take immediate steps against Pakistan. Whereas the inhabitants of the Indian peninsula are Hindus whose hearts have been full of hatred towards Muslims, therefore, India is the most important base for us to work therefrom against Pakistan. It is essential that we exploit this base and strike and crush Pakistanis, enemies of Jews and Zionism, by all disguised and secret plans.” The people who love to fulfill Jews actions enter and stay in your country, make operation to kill osama bin laden and no one knows what has happened Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-26-2011, 10:42 PM	#25
Qdkczrdi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 505 Senior Member	again u are accusing here .. i suggest u go and research the life of Dr.Iqbal and Mr.Jinnah so u can know that Pakistan was founded on the base of Islam and implementing its rules .. u are now being a highly ignorant person .. after the Assassination of Liaquat Ali Khan at the hands of CIA u can say every ruler has been worthless but Pakistan was founded on the basis of Islam .. and this is the sign of Ignorance ! u are continuously ignoring the Kashmir issue which tells how much a Muslim u are ! why are u debating on Political matter where as the topic is Kashmir ? is condemning enough ? will this help the victims u tell me ? haha u dont need to tell me i have been to India on many occasions and i have seen how Muslim partake in Hindu Festivals and no one stops it so much for the Sharia !!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-26-2011, 10:44 PM	#26
Qdkczrdi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 505 Senior Member	There is no matter of betraying. A true Muslim can never betray his master.. These are basic principles of Islam. And why you will not discuss about political matters ? Is it because your politicians has sold the Islamic principles to the west ? haha then why are u ignoring the Kashmir issue and trying to involve me in a Political matter ? haha i dont argue because its a matter of politics and i prefer talking about Islamic matters ! and talk about my country what about urs which buys weapons from the Israelis who are the biggest enemies of Islam yet the Muslims say nothing Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-26-2011, 10:45 PM	#27
Qdkczrdi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 505 Senior Member	The people who love to fulfill Jews actions enter and stay in your country, make operation to kill osama bin laden and no one knows what has happened ahhh... rightly it is said that u can gain nothing from talking to an ignorant person ! so i would say to u peace as i dont have the time to talk to a person who is living in a Ignorant world of his Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-26-2011, 10:47 PM	#28
cigattIcTot Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 409 Senior Member	again u are accusing here .. i suggest u go and research the life of Dr.Iqbal and Mr.Jinnah so u can know that Pakistan was founded on the base of Islam and implementing its rules .. u are now being a highly ignorant person .. after the Assassination of Liaquat Ali Khan at the hands of CIA u can say every ruler has been worthless but Pakistan was founded on the basis of Islam .. and this is the sign of Ignorance ! u are continuously ignoring the Kashmir issue which tells how much a Muslim u are ! why are u debating on Political matter where as the topic is Kashmir ? is condemning enough ? will this help the victims u tell me ? haha u dont need to tell me i have been to India on many occasions and i have seen how Muslim partake in Hindu Festivals and no one stops it so much for the Sharia !!! You may be seeing those salman, sharuq of movies who are some way related to hindu's (wife, mother, girl friend etc...). A true muslim never does such acts. And more than india, its Pakistani so called scholars who participate. Do you remember Mr. Tahir qadri cutting cake for Christmas lol And regarding Jinnah. If its was for Islamic purpose.. then why him or his sub-ordinates didn't establish khilafa and rather opted for kuffar cultured democracy ? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-26-2011, 10:48 PM	#29
cigattIcTot Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 409 Senior Member	ahhh... rightly it is said that u can gain nothing from talking to an ignorant person ! so i would say to u peace as i dont have the time to talk to a person who is living in a Ignorant world of his Instead of labeling me ignorant. Can you please provide some explanations to enlighten me Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-26-2011, 10:52 PM	#30
Qdkczrdi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 505 Senior Member	haha movies lol ! i have seen my cousin going around and participating in such events lol about movies i dont watch **** ! Tahir Qadri is a fitna who is doing nothing but trying to destroy Sharia ! but still he doesnt go on and have the red dot applied on his forhead .. i say again u are running away from the real matter and engaging me in a pointless argue so its better to stop because i dont like to waste my time he was about to implement the law but his death didnt help the cause .. and also u can read the constitution it says nothing will be against Quran and Sunnah Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-26-2011, 10:53 PM	#31
actrisski Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 605 Senior Member	Brothers please refrain from arguing today. This is the night of Qadr. 1 night equivalent to 1000 months. I beg you two to stop. Atleast for the night. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-26-2011, 10:54 PM	#32
Qdkczrdi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 505 Senior Member	Instead of labeling me ignorant. Can you please provide some explanations to enlighten me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIuSucJ5EBk watch this and be the fair judge ! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-26-2011, 10:55 PM	#33
Qdkczrdi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 505 Senior Member	Brothers please refrain from arguing today. This is the night of Qadr. 1 night equivalent to 1000 months. I beg you two to stop. Atleast for the night. Wasalam ask the mods to delete the thread my friend here is involving me in a baseless argument and ignores the Kashmir issue Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-26-2011, 10:56 PM	#34
q9h9pPne Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 467 Senior Member	Now every brother on this forum with little bit of knowledge of whats happening in the world will know who is ignorant still you bother to waste your ramadhan time with kids? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-26-2011, 10:57 PM	#35
cigattIcTot Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 409 Senior Member	haha movies lol ! i have seen my cousin going around and participating in such events lol about movies i dont watch **** ! Tahir Qadri is a fitna who is doing nothing but trying to destroy Sharia ! but still he doesnt go on and have the red dot applied on his forhead .. i say again u are running away from the real matter and engaging me in a pointless argue so its better to stop because i dont like to waste my time he was about to implement the law but his death didnt help the cause .. and also u can read the constitution it says nothing will be against Quran and Sunnah I am not at all running away from the point... The point is clear. There are some mishandling of Muslims in Kashmir (a Muslim dominated state), mainly because of Pakistani terrorism there and the Pakistani leaders and terrorists use Kashmir to its full benefit. There are places where Muslims are less in number compared to Kashmir and has more trouble.. Why don't you bother about them ? When the ruling system is only not according to Quran and Sunnah.. then how do we expect other things to be according to sunnah Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-26-2011, 11:01 PM	#36
Qdkczrdi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 505 Senior Member	Some ? since 1947 indian army has killed 10000 muslims and u say some ? Pakistani terrorism ? haha typical indian ! what terrorism are u talking about ? to fight for the honor of Muslim is terrorism ? thats new to me .. i told u this again the muslim are not being tortured like they are being in Kashmir and still the Muslim in india remain silent on this ? why ? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-26-2011, 11:02 PM	#37
actrisski Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 605 Senior Member	I m getting out of this place. Everyone please make dua for this sinner and all the Muslims in the world. We need each others duas. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-26-2011, 11:03 PM	#38
cigattIcTot Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 409 Senior Member	still you bother to waste your ramadhan time with kids? It's sometimes fun u know anyway I am out for taraweeh (20 rakats )... So c u all later Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-26-2011, 11:06 PM	#39
cigattIcTot Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 409 Senior Member	Some ? since 1947 indian army has killed 10000 muslims and u say some ? Pakistani terrorism ? haha typical indian ! what terrorism are u talking about ? to fight for the honor of Muslim is terrorism ? thats new to me .. i told u this again the muslim are not being tortured like they are being in Kashmir and still the Muslim in india remain silent on this ? why ? A person who kills innocent women, children, aged persons or anyone not related to war is violating the basic rule of Jihad. You people are not fighting for the honor of Muslims there. That is why you were not able to win a single war. If you really fought for honor of Muslims, you would be ruling the world today Try to bring your mind into some action now using the saying of Allah and Prophet ...OK Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-26-2011, 11:11 PM	#40
Qdkczrdi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 505 Senior Member	It's sometimes fun u know anyway I am out for taraweeh (20 rakats )... So c u all later well there is a quote of Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique RA that when some ignorant apporaches you say peace and get away my job was to tell you the truth but you are denying it so you will be answerable for that on the day of judgement , JAZAKALLAH Khair , you guys need another Muhammad Bin Qasim , till then enjoy , the end of every transgressor be it america , israel india and iran is near Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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