The 12 shia imams in sahih muslim??? - DiscussWorldIssues - Socio-Economic Religion and Political Uncensored Debate

**hauptdaunnila** · 08-09-2011, 06:19 AM

salaam brothers,

can some1 explain me this please?

This is very strange and i think im converting to shia islam, because islam is complete so the hadith must be complete to, if anyone can't explain me this i will convert to shia islam. Please any1 can you explain me this please?? i got a shia friend who says the shias are following the ahlulbayt, so do we sunnis do also but we sunnis accept the wives too as the ahlulbayt but when i read this hadith it broke my heart so please any1 explain me this.
SAHIH MUSLIM
Book 031, Number 5920:

...O people, I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah's call, (would bid good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the members of my household.

Sahih Muslim:

Book 031, Number 5920:

Yazid b. Hayyan reported, I went along with Husain b. Sabra and 'Umar b. Muslim to Zaid b. Arqam and, as we sat by his side, Husain said to him: Zaid. you have been able to acquire a great virtue that you saw Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) listened to his talk, fought by his side in (different) battles, offered prayer behind me. Zaid, you have in fact earned a great virtue. Zaid, narrate to us what you heard from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). He said: I have grown old and have almost spent my age and I have forgotten some of the things which I remembered in connection with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), so accept whatever I narrate to you, and which I do not narrate do not compel me to do that. He then said: One day Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up to deliver sermon at a watering place known as Khumm situated between Mecca and Medina. He praised Allah, extolled Him and delivered the sermon and. exhorted (us) and said: Now to our purpose. O people, I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah's call, (would bid good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The secondare the members of my household I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family. He (Husain) said to Zaid: Who are the members of his household? Aren't his wives the members of his family? Thereupon he said: His wives are the members of his family (but here) the members of his family are those for whom acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. And he said: Who are they? Thereupon he said: 'Ali and the offspring of 'Ali, 'Aqil and the offspring of 'Aqil and the offspring of Ja'far and the offspring of 'Abbas. Husain said: These are those for whom the acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. Zaid said: Yes.

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Book 031, Number 5923:

Yazid b. Hayyan reported: We went to him (Zaid b. Arqam) and said to him. You have found goodness (for you had the honour) to live in the company of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and offered prayer behind him, and the rest of the hadith is the same but with this variation of wording that lie said: Behold, forI am leaving amongst you two weighty things, one of which is the Book of Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, and that is the rope of Allah. He who holds it fast would be on right guidance and he who abandons it would be in error, and in this (hadith) these words are also found: We said: Who are amongst the members of the household? Aren't the wives (of the Holy Prophet) included amongst the members of his house hold? Thereupon he said: No, by Allah, a woman lives with a man (as his wife) for a certain period; he then divorces her and she goes back to her parents and to her people; the members of his household include his ownself and his kith and kin (who are related to him by blood) and for him the acceptance of Zakat is prohibited.

**Mumeseest** · 08-09-2011, 06:24 AM

even in ramadhan they cant stop with their taqqiyyah.

**hauptdaunnila** · 08-09-2011, 06:25 AM

?

**Uhmavano** · 08-09-2011, 06:26 AM

even in ramadhan they cant stop with their taqqiyyah.

Because Taqqiyyah is Ibadat for them and in Ramdhan you get more Sawab for ibadats

AbuBakrr bhai,

Please post the arabic hadith

**hauptdaunnila** · 08-09-2011, 06:29 AM

i don't have it, sorry man my shia friend sent me this i will ask.

**Uhmavano** · 08-09-2011, 06:30 AM

i don't have it, sorry man my shia friend sent me this i will ask.

Please ask him for Arabic and then post it here again.

In the meanwhile please don't threaten us that you will become SHIA if no one explains

**hauptdaunnila** · 08-09-2011, 06:33 AM

man he keeps sending me proof look at this:S

The Messenger of Allah said: "I am the City of Knowledge, and Ali is its Gate. So whoever intends to enter the City and the Wisdom, he should enter from its Gate."

Sunni references:

- Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, pp 201,637

- al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, pp 126-127,226

- Fadha'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p635, Tradition #1081

**hauptdaunnila** · 08-09-2011, 06:34 AM

omg man i feel so sad man some1 please explain my friend keeps sending me proof look man just look at this :S

When Umar came to the door of the house of Fatimah, he said:
"By Allah, I shall burn down (the house) over you unless you come out and give the oath of allegiance (to Abu Bakr)."

- History of Tabari (Arabic), v1, pp 11118-1120
- History of Ibn Athir, v2, p325
- al-Isti'ab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, v3, p9975
- Tarikh al-Kulafa, by Ibn Qutaybah, v1,, p20
- al-Imamah wal-Siyasah, by Ibn Qutaybahh, v1, pp 19-20

**Mumeseest** · 08-09-2011, 06:35 AM

man he keeps sending me proof look at this

ask him for the arabic with the authencity of hadith, and then see how his pants get wet.

**hauptdaunnila** · 08-09-2011, 06:37 AM

i ask him he is absent on his msn atm

**Uhmavano** · 08-09-2011, 06:42 AM

i ask him he is absent on his msn atm

Instead of posting english ahadith here, please ask him for arabic with reference next time he comes online. In the meanwhile go and read some Quran

**hauptdaunnila** · 08-09-2011, 06:49 AM

well 2 shia friends are trying to convert me to shia 1 is absent at the moment other 1 is online he showed 1 proof of this, i will try to get the arabic version of them, he said it takes some time

man really it broke my heart when i saw some hadith which they sent me, they sent me one other look at this allah akbar:S

"The Messenger of Allah (s) said: "Who ever wishes to live and die like me, and to abide in the Garden of Eden after death should acknowledge Ali as his patron and follow Ahl al-Bayt after me, for they are my Ahl al-Bayt and they have been created out of the same knowledge and understanding as myself. Woe unto those followers of mine who will deny the Ahl al-Bayt their distinctions and who will disregard their relationship and affinity with me. May Allah never let them benefit from my intercession."

Refrence:

- Hilyatul Awliya', by Abu Nu'aym, v1, pp 84,86
- al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p128
- al-Jamiul Kabir, by al-Tabarani
- al-Isabah, by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani
- Kanzul Ummal, v6, p155
- al-Manaqib, by al-Khawarizmi, p34
- Yanabi' al-Mawaddah, by al-Qunduzi al-Hanafi, p149
- History of Ibn Asakir, v2, p915

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/c...m/031.smt.html

**Mumeseest** · 08-09-2011, 06:53 AM

man really it broke my heart

why dont you enjoy this one:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ias&highlight=

get the soloution of this puzzles before you leave Islam and convert to Kufr.

**hauptdaunnila** · 08-09-2011, 06:55 AM

brother, what is taqqiyah? people are saying that.

thank you for your time brother.

**Mumeseest** · 08-09-2011, 06:56 AM

brother, what is taqqiyah? people are saying that.

go through that thread inshallah, you will get all your answer meanwhile.

**avitalporatova** · 08-09-2011, 07:00 AM

looooooool

this guy is funny. look at the timings of his posts. him and his 'shia friend on msn' sure are fast lol.

**hauptdaunnila** · 08-09-2011, 07:00 AM

can some1 explain why the 12 imams for shia people are so important?

ty very much

**hauptdaunnila** · 08-09-2011, 07:03 AM

my friend says i can't find the hadith, i wil ltry to post it and get the hadit from a shia chat, he says just wait till tomorrow.

and i said ok

**Mumeseest** · 08-09-2011, 07:04 AM

can some1 explain why the 12 imams for shia people are so important?

you wanted to conevrt to shia religion, without knowing the importancy they gave to 12 imams?

and i said ok

keep reading the thread, and tomorow inshaAllah you will convert your friends to Islam.

**hauptdaunnila** · 08-09-2011, 07:06 AM

well he is explaining me and i believe the islam is complete, he says if so why are the sunnis following the wrong path, the islam must be complete so must the hadith be complete to.

Originally Posted by abubakrr
can some1 explain why the 12 imams for shia people are so important?

yes he talks a bit about the 12 imams but i want to hear it from you guys, maybe he is lying.

08-09-2011, 06:19 AM	#1
hauptdaunnila Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 534 Senior Member	The 12 shia imams in sahih muslim??? salaam brothers, can some1 explain me this please? This is very strange and i think im converting to shia islam, because islam is complete so the hadith must be complete to, if anyone can't explain me this i will convert to shia islam. Please any1 can you explain me this please?? i got a shia friend who says the shias are following the ahlulbayt, so do we sunnis do also but we sunnis accept the wives too as the ahlulbayt but when i read this hadith it broke my heart so please any1 explain me this. SAHIH MUSLIM Book 031, Number 5920: ...O people, I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah's call, (would bid good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the members of my household. Sahih Muslim: Book 031, Number 5920: Yazid b. Hayyan reported, I went along with Husain b. Sabra and 'Umar b. Muslim to Zaid b. Arqam and, as we sat by his side, Husain said to him: Zaid. you have been able to acquire a great virtue that you saw Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) listened to his talk, fought by his side in (different) battles, offered prayer behind me. Zaid, you have in fact earned a great virtue. Zaid, narrate to us what you heard from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). He said: I have grown old and have almost spent my age and I have forgotten some of the things which I remembered in connection with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), so accept whatever I narrate to you, and which I do not narrate do not compel me to do that. He then said: One day Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up to deliver sermon at a watering place known as Khumm situated between Mecca and Medina. He praised Allah, extolled Him and delivered the sermon and. exhorted (us) and said: Now to our purpose. O people, I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah's call, (would bid good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The secondare the members of my household I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family. He (Husain) said to Zaid: Who are the members of his household? Aren't his wives the members of his family? Thereupon he said: His wives are the members of his family (but here) the members of his family are those for whom acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. And he said: Who are they? Thereupon he said: 'Ali and the offspring of 'Ali, 'Aqil and the offspring of 'Aqil and the offspring of Ja'far and the offspring of 'Abbas. Husain said: These are those for whom the acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. Zaid said: Yes. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Book 031, Number 5923: Yazid b. Hayyan reported: We went to him (Zaid b. Arqam) and said to him. You have found goodness (for you had the honour) to live in the company of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and offered prayer behind him, and the rest of the hadith is the same but with this variation of wording that lie said: Behold, forI am leaving amongst you two weighty things, one of which is the Book of Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, and that is the rope of Allah. He who holds it fast would be on right guidance and he who abandons it would be in error, and in this (hadith) these words are also found: We said: Who are amongst the members of the household? Aren't the wives (of the Holy Prophet) included amongst the members of his house hold? Thereupon he said: No, by Allah, a woman lives with a man (as his wife) for a certain period; he then divorces her and she goes back to her parents and to her people; the members of his household include his ownself and his kith and kin (who are related to him by blood) and for him the acceptance of Zakat is prohibited. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Uhmavano Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 511 Senior Member	even in ramadhan they cant stop with their taqqiyyah. Because Taqqiyyah is Ibadat for them and in Ramdhan you get more Sawab for ibadats AbuBakrr bhai, Please post the arabic hadith Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-09-2011, 06:29 AM	#5
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08-09-2011, 06:30 AM	#6
Uhmavano Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 511 Senior Member	i don't have it, sorry man my shia friend sent me this i will ask. Please ask him for Arabic and then post it here again. In the meanwhile please don't threaten us that you will become SHIA if no one explains Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-09-2011, 06:33 AM	#7
hauptdaunnila Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 534 Senior Member	man he keeps sending me proof look at this:S The Messenger of Allah said: "I am the City of Knowledge, and Ali is its Gate. So whoever intends to enter the City and the Wisdom, he should enter from its Gate." Sunni references: - Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, pp 201,637 - al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, pp 126-127,226 - Fadha'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p635, Tradition #1081 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-09-2011, 06:34 AM	#8
hauptdaunnila Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 534 Senior Member	omg man i feel so sad man some1 please explain my friend keeps sending me proof look man just look at this :S When Umar came to the door of the house of Fatimah, he said: "By Allah, I shall burn down (the house) over you unless you come out and give the oath of allegiance (to Abu Bakr)." - History of Tabari (Arabic), v1, pp 11118-1120 - History of Ibn Athir, v2, p325 - al-Isti'ab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, v3, p9975 - Tarikh al-Kulafa, by Ibn Qutaybah, v1,, p20 - al-Imamah wal-Siyasah, by Ibn Qutaybahh, v1, pp 19-20 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-09-2011, 06:35 AM	#9
Mumeseest Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 364 Senior Member	man he keeps sending me proof look at this ask him for the arabic with the authencity of hadith, and then see how his pants get wet. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-09-2011, 06:37 AM	#10
hauptdaunnila Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 534 Senior Member	i ask him he is absent on his msn atm Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-09-2011, 06:42 AM	#11
Uhmavano Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 511 Senior Member	i ask him he is absent on his msn atm Instead of posting english ahadith here, please ask him for arabic with reference next time he comes online. In the meanwhile go and read some Quran Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-09-2011, 06:49 AM	#12
hauptdaunnila Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 534 Senior Member	well 2 shia friends are trying to convert me to shia 1 is absent at the moment other 1 is online he showed 1 proof of this, i will try to get the arabic version of them, he said it takes some time man really it broke my heart when i saw some hadith which they sent me, they sent me one other look at this allah akbar:S "The Messenger of Allah (s) said: "Who ever wishes to live and die like me, and to abide in the Garden of Eden after death should acknowledge Ali as his patron and follow Ahl al-Bayt after me, for they are my Ahl al-Bayt and they have been created out of the same knowledge and understanding as myself. Woe unto those followers of mine who will deny the Ahl al-Bayt their distinctions and who will disregard their relationship and affinity with me. May Allah never let them benefit from my intercession." Refrence: - Hilyatul Awliya', by Abu Nu'aym, v1, pp 84,86 - al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p128 - al-Jamiul Kabir, by al-Tabarani - al-Isabah, by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani - Kanzul Ummal, v6, p155 - al-Manaqib, by al-Khawarizmi, p34 - Yanabi' al-Mawaddah, by al-Qunduzi al-Hanafi, p149 - History of Ibn Asakir, v2, p915 http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/c...m/031.smt.html Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-09-2011, 06:53 AM	#13
Mumeseest Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 364 Senior Member	man really it broke my heart why dont you enjoy this one: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ias&highlight= get the soloution of this puzzles before you leave Islam and convert to Kufr. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-09-2011, 06:55 AM	#14
hauptdaunnila Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 534 Senior Member	brother, what is taqqiyah? people are saying that. thank you for your time brother. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-09-2011, 06:56 AM	#15
Mumeseest Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 364 Senior Member	brother, what is taqqiyah? people are saying that. go through that thread inshallah, you will get all your answer meanwhile. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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avitalporatova Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 375 Senior Member	looooooool this guy is funny. look at the timings of his posts. him and his 'shia friend on msn' sure are fast lol. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-09-2011, 07:03 AM	#18
hauptdaunnila Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 534 Senior Member	my friend says i can't find the hadith, i wil ltry to post it and get the hadit from a shia chat, he says just wait till tomorrow. and i said ok Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-09-2011, 07:04 AM	#19
Mumeseest Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 364 Senior Member	can some1 explain why the 12 imams for shia people are so important? you wanted to conevrt to shia religion, without knowing the importancy they gave to 12 imams? and i said ok keep reading the thread, and tomorow inshaAllah you will convert your friends to Islam. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-09-2011, 07:06 AM	#20
hauptdaunnila Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 534 Senior Member	well he is explaining me and i believe the islam is complete, he says if so why are the sunnis following the wrong path, the islam must be complete so must the hadith be complete to. Originally Posted by abubakrr can some1 explain why the 12 imams for shia people are so important? yes he talks a bit about the 12 imams but i want to hear it from you guys, maybe he is lying. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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