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Old 09-23-2008, 12:45 AM   #1
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Can someone verify whether the following hadeeth is sahih or not:

Once Moosa (AS) asked Allah Ta'ala: O Allah ! You have granted me the honor and privilege of talking to you directly, Have you given this privilege to any other person? Allah Ta'ala replied, O!! Moosa during the last period I am going to send an ummat, who will be the Ummat of Mohammed (SAW) with dry lips, parched tongues, emaciated body with eyes sunken deep into their sockets, with livers dry and stomachs suffering the pangs of hunger- will call out to me (in dua) they will be much much closer to me than you O Moosa! while you speak to me there are 70000 veils between you and me but at the time of iftaar there will not be a single veil between me and the fasting Ummati of Mohammed (SAW) O!! Moosa I have taken upon myself the responsibility that at the time of iftaar I will never refuse the dua of a fasting person!
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Old 09-23-2008, 03:36 AM   #2
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Salam

Can someone verify whether the following hadeeth is sahih or not:

Once Moosa (AS) asked Allah Ta'ala: O Allah ! You have granted me the honor and privilege of talking to you directly, Have you given this privilege to any other person? Allah Ta'ala replied, O!! Moosa during the last period I am going to send an ummat, who will be the Ummat of Mohammed (SAW) with dry lips, parched tongues, emaciated body with eyes sunken deep into their sockets, with livers dry and stomachs suffering the pangs of hunger- will call out to me (in dua) they will be much much closer to me than you O Moosa! while you speak to me there are 70000 veils between you and me but at the time of iftaar there will not be a single veil between me and the fasting Ummati of Mohammed (SAW) O!! Moosa I have taken upon myself the responsibility that at the time of iftaar I will never refuse the dua of a fasting person!
Asslamo Allaikum,

Sounds incredible .
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Old 09-23-2008, 03:56 AM   #3
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till 70000 veils i have heard soemwhere. but wasn´t aware about iftar thigns.
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Old 09-23-2008, 04:15 AM   #4
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Brother can u tell where did u read or heard this hadith. or quote any arabic text of it? any part.

Salam

Can someone verify whether the following hadeeth is sahih or not:

Once Moosa (AS) asked Allah Ta'ala: O Allah ! You have granted me the honor and privilege of talking to you directly, Have you given this privilege to any other person? Allah Ta'ala replied, O!! Moosa during the last period I am going to send an ummat, who will be the Ummat of Mohammed (SAW) with dry lips, parched tongues, emaciated body with eyes sunken deep into their sockets, with livers dry and stomachs suffering the pangs of hunger- will call out to me (in dua) they will be much much closer to me than you O Moosa! while you speak to me there are 70000 veils between you and me but at the time of iftaar there will not be a single veil between me and the fasting Ummati of Mohammed (SAW) O!! Moosa I have taken upon myself the responsibility that at the time of iftaar I will never refuse the dua of a fasting person!
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Old 04-12-2009, 10:35 PM   #5
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Bismillah *bump*
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:26 PM   #6
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I recieved this hadith via sms during Ramadhan.Iam not aware of the authenticity of this hadith.
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:58 PM   #7
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wa rahmatullah,
this is what I got from Islam-qa (ref#124410):
Praise be to Allaah.


This hadeeth is not part of the Prophet’s Sunnah, and it is not something that is known to the scholars and muhaddithoon in their books and Musnads. It is not narrated except in a few books whose authors filled them with fabricated reports, false reports, stories and myths, such as Nuzhat al-Majaalis wa Muntakhab al-Nafaa’is, by the historian and man of letters ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Abd al-Salaam al-Safoori (d. 894 AH) – pp. 182-183, Chapter on the virtue of Ramadaan and encouragement to do good deeds therein. It also appears in the tafseer Rooh al-Bayaan (8/112) by Ismaa’eel Haqqi al-Hanafi al-Khalooti (d. 1127 AH). They mentioned a hadeeth similar to that referred to by the questioner, in which it says: “Moosa (peace be upon him) said: ‘O Lord, You have honoured me by speaking to me directly. Will You give anyone else something like this?’ And Allaah revealed: ‘O Moosa, I have slaves whom I will bring forth at the end of time, and I will honour them with the month of Ramadaan, and I will closer to one of them than to you, because you have spoken to Me when there are seventy thousand veils between Me and you, but when the ummah of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) fasts until their lips turn white and their faces turn yellow, I will lift the veil between Me and them at the time they break their fast. O Moosa, glad tidings to the one whose liver thirsts and whose stomach hungers in Ramadaan.”

Moreover, in the matn (text) of this hadeeth there is something which indicates that it is munkar (i.e., unsound), which is the words “I will be closer to one of them than you” – referring to Moosa (peace be upon him). It is well known in Muslim belief that the Messengers and Prophets are better than all other humans, and Moosa is one of the Messengers of strong will, so how can Allaah be closer to His slaves than to His Prophet Moosa (peace be upon him), of whom He said (interpretation of the meaning): “And We called him from the right side of the Mount, and made him draw near to Us for a talk with him” [Maryam 19:52]? And Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: He drew so close that he heard the scratching of the Pen – i.e., writing the Tawraat (Torah). See: Tafseer al-Qur’aan il-‘Azeem by al-Haafiz Ibn Katheer (5/237).

To sum up: The hadeeth mentioned is not in any of the reliable books, so it is not permissible to attribute it the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or to believe what it says.

And Allaah knows best.

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Old 04-13-2009, 10:59 PM   #8
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i forwarded the text to mufti A.k hoosen and Mufti saheb stated that the hadith is not authentic.
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Old 08-06-2011, 11:10 PM   #9
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wa rahmatullah,

This narration is not found in any of the books of senior Muḥadditithīn. Rather, it is narrated in books filled with fairy tales, such as Nuzhah al-Majālis wa Muntakhab al-Nafaa’is. Thus, it has no basis and it is not permissible to attribute it to the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم.

And Allāh Ta’ālā knows best.
Source : http://www.euro-sunni.com/forum/view...=5&t=480#p1119
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Old 08-07-2011, 03:38 AM   #10
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This incident is mentioned in the last issue of "The Shariah" newspaper distributed by the Jamiatul Ulama of De Deur,South Africa. Whilst I am not implying that everything occurring in their newspaper is necessarily sourced from authentic sources or that their newspaper is a proof in Shar'i matters,I am sure they would have undertaken the required measures to ensure authenticity as they are highly qualified scholars from what I am given to understand.

Perhaps somebody who is studying at the madrasah or living nearby could contact the Darul Uloom at De Deur to ask them for the required source?
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Old 08-07-2011, 03:55 AM   #11
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Hadith is strange and has Nakara in the Matn, add that it is not found in the relied upon books of Hadith nor the Masaneed so it's rejected.
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