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**antilt** · 10-18-2010, 11:48 PM

Assalamualaikum,

Can anyone clarify the issues on the "Pledge of Mutual Respect and Co-operation" done by Yasir Qadhi? I stumbled upon this on youtube and there are various oppositions condemning yasir qadhi and others regarding this pledge. From my understanding this pledge seeks to unite sunni muslims with different theological understandings such as the mainstream sunnis, maturidi, ashaari, salafi etc.. Is unity ok regardless on some differences in theology and fiqh, or are they considered sects out of the fold of islam and therefore unity with them is impossible?

Fyi this pledge was signed by various well known muslim figures especially in the west.. as can be seen on:

http://www.newislamicdirections.com/...scholars_orga/

http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/22/...d-cooperation/

some criticisms:
http://www.madeenah.com/notes.cfm?id=1013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttBZ-g6QShk

**antilt** · 10-18-2010, 11:56 PM

or are just the salafis are against this? reason being all of the criticisms i see is from the salafis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRGPa...eature=related

**diundasmink** · 10-18-2010, 11:57 PM

Assalamualaikum,

Can anyone clarify the issues on the "Pledge of Mutual Respect and Co-operation" done by Yasir Qadhi? I stumbled upon this on youtube and there are various oppositions condemning yasir qadhi and others regarding this pledge. From my understanding this pledge seeks to unite sunni muslims with different theological understandings such as the mainstream sunnis, maturidi, ashaari, salafi etc.. Is unity ok regardless on some differences in theology and fiqh, or are they considered sects out of the fold of islam and therefore unity with them is impossible?

Fyi this pledge was signed by various well known muslim figures especially in the west.. as can be seen on:

http://www.newislamicdirections.com/...scholars_orga/

http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/22/...d-cooperation/

some criticisms:
http://www.madeenah.com/notes.cfm?id=1013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttBZ-g6QShk

Well, we Deobandis have never been takfiris and are willing to come on the stage with anyone who

is sincere in intent and broad-minded. After all, Yahya ibn Sa'eed al Qattan said, "The scholars of the

Ahl al Sunnah are the Ahl al Tawsiya^". Translation of Ahl al Tawsiya^: People of broadmindedness.

There are two groups which will be difficult to bring around: The hardcore Salafis and the Barelwis.

The rest are already on one platform. See.....that's me. . . . adjusting the mike.....

**BliliBoopsy** · 10-19-2010, 03:03 AM

Well, we Deobandis have never been takfiris and are willing to come on the stage with anyone who

is sincere in intent and broad-minded. After all, Yahya ibn Sa'eed al Qattan said, "The scholars of the

Ahl al Sunnah are the Ahl al Tawsiya^". Translation of Ahl al Tawsiya^: People of broadmindedness.

There are two groups which will be difficult to bring around: The hardcore Salafis and the Barelwis.

The rest are already on one platform. See.....that's me. . . . adjusting the mike.....

....who are the "rest" that are already on the platform...care to elaborate?

**diundasmink** · 10-19-2010, 03:23 PM

....who are the "rest" that are already on the platform...care to elaborate?

Just us poor simple Muslims....The Hanafis except the Barelwis, the Shaafi'is, the Malikis, the Hanbalis, the Jam'at-e-Islami, the Tablighi Jamat, the Pakistan Cricket Board, the Union of Muslim Poultry farmers of Nigeria and some Salafis like Yasir Qadi.
Wanna join?

**BliliBoopsy** · 10-19-2010, 09:12 PM

Just us poor simple Muslims....The Hanafis except the Barelwis, the Shaafi'is, the Malikis, the Hanbalis, the Jam'at-e-Islami, the Tablighi Jamat, the Pakistan Cricket Board, the Union of Muslim Poultry farmers of Nigeria and some Salafis like Yasir Qadi.
Wanna join?

Not if I have to join hands with Saeed Book Bank, Islamabad....They charge too much for the books and whatever you need is always out of stock...And not with the pakistan cricket board either as I dont like the present chairman....There goes your poor unity drive!!!

**Bridgester** · 10-19-2010, 09:17 PM

Unity drive lol

the only thing the wahabandafis are united in is making takfir on everyone else.

**diundasmink** · 10-19-2010, 10:02 PM

Unity drive lol

the only thing the wahabandafis are united in is making takfir on everyone else.

Dear Kashmiri brother,

What in the seven heavens and the seven earths is a WAHABANDAFI?

Is it some new kind of "anda"=egg?

Dear Depressed Muslim,

You lost your chance.

**Bridgester** · 10-20-2010, 03:32 AM

Dear Kashmiri brother,

What in the seven heavens and the seven earths is a WAHABANDAFI?

Is it some new kind of "anda"=egg?

Dear Depressed Muslim,

You lost your chance.

SALAM

Its a play on words

WAHABANDAFI=
WAHABi
deobAND
salAFI

I hope that explains it. Its only meant to be tongue in cheek!!!

Wsalam

**BliliBoopsy** · 10-20-2010, 03:36 AM

Dear Kashmiri brother,

What in the seven heavens and the seven earths is a WAHABANDAFI?

Is it some new kind of "anda"=egg?

Dear Depressed Muslim,

You lost your chance.

....Where on this earth did you learn that there are seven earths....you seriously have a dodgy aqeedah mate...

**Bridgester** · 10-20-2010, 03:38 AM

Oh yeah, i forgot to read that part, seven earths eh. sounds like a movie

**SM9WI8oI** · 10-20-2010, 03:41 AM

Oh yeah, i forgot to read that part, seven earths eh. sounds like a movie

Assalam o 'alaykum,

It is not a movie but a reality.

http://deoband.org/2010/08/hadith/pr...e2%80%98abbas/

**Bridgester** · 10-20-2010, 03:46 AM

Jazakallah brother, we learn something new everyday.

**BliliBoopsy** · 10-20-2010, 03:50 AM

Assalam o 'alaykum,

It is not a movie but a reality.

http://deoband.org/2010/08/hadith/pr...e2%80%98abbas/

....

...I am so ignorant....I knew that hadith of the seven earths but never dwelled upon it...

**diundasmink** · 10-20-2010, 04:17 AM

.......I am so ignorant....I knew that hadith of the seven earths but never dwelled upon it...

Well, did someone here say something?

Don't mind me. I'll just go and brush up on my hadith.

**BliliBoopsy** · 10-20-2010, 04:27 AM

Well, did someone here say something?

Don't mind me. I'll just go and brush up on my hadith.

Ahh i forgot to edit that other post in which I made you look like an idiot!!! shudnt have done that...sorry...anyways I just saw the thappa of Brother Saad (the articles on that site are well researched) and Abdul hayee Lucknawi in the article and changed my stance...the hadith refers to someone eating up other's property so his punishment would be wearing seven earths around his neck so something clicked...this does not mean that I have incorporated it in my aqeeda straightaway as it is forever...wait till I become a mujtahid Mutalaq!!

**diundasmink** · 10-20-2010, 04:37 AM

Ahh i forgot to edit that other post in which I made you look like an idiot!!! shudnt have done that...sorry...anyways I just saw the thappa of Brother Saad (the articles on that site are well researched) and Abdul hayee Lucknawi in the article and changed my stance...the hadith refers to someone eating up other's property so his punishment would be wearing seven earths around his neck so something clicked...this does not mean that I have incorporated it in my aqeeda straightaway as it is forever...wait till I become a mujtahid Mutalaq!!

Well, waiting for you to become a mujtahid mutlaq would be like waiting for Godot. I'll pass. Can't we have something earlier....like anywhere before Qiyama?
Till then I would like to honour you with the title of Mujtahid Potluck which I have given to some other lunkheads on this forum.

**BliliBoopsy** · 10-20-2010, 04:43 AM

Well, waiting for you to become a mujtahid mutlaq would be like waiting for Godot. I'll pass. Can't we have something earlier....like anywhere before Qiyama?
Till then I would like to honour you with the title of Mujtahid Potluck which I have given to some other lunkheads on this forum.

What's Godot???....and you underestimate my abilities mate

.....I had a great time being a mujtahid fil mazaahib and was well respected until the international conspiracy was launched to demote me to a muqallid!!

On a serious note, I was frankly a little dissappointed at the tone and words you used for srdahmed on that other thread...

**diundasmink** · 10-20-2010, 04:57 AM

What's Godot???....and you underestimate my abilities mate .....I had a great time being a mujtahid fil mazaahib and was well respected until the international conspiracy was launched to demote me to a muqallid!!

On a serious note, I was frankly a little dissappointed at the tone and words you used for srdahmed on that other thread...

Leave Godot for the time being. You will have to brush up on your literature for that. Stick to your

study of hadith.

The name that you have taken seems to be mistaken. Wasn't it srdamad? Even I felt very bad later. Its

an excess of anger that I have been battling since childhood and nowadays nothing seems to bring out

the worst in me than the wholesale takfir that some people indulge in. If I come across the brother

again, I will apologize to him, Inshallah. By the way you should have been extremely disappointed at

what I did. If my Shaykh were to come to know, he would be. Wasalaam.

**BliliBoopsy** · 10-20-2010, 05:02 AM

Leave Godot for the time being. You will have to brush up on your literature for that. Stick to your

study of hadith.

The name that you have taken seems to be mistaken. Wasn't it srdamad? Even I felt very bad later. Its

an excess of anger that I have been battling since childhood and nowadays nothing seems to bring out

the worst in me than the wholesale takfir that some people indulge in. If I come across the brother

again, I will apologize to him, Inshallah. By the way you should have been extremely disappointed at

what I did. If my Shaykh were to come to know, he would be. Wasalaam.

I see...its good that you regret it....so you are against takfiris who target people within the sunni sects...and who's your sheikh?

10-18-2010, 11:48 PM	#1
antilt Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 338 Senior Member	Clarification of Pledge of Mutual Respect and Co-operation by Yasir Qadhi Assalamualaikum, Can anyone clarify the issues on the "Pledge of Mutual Respect and Co-operation" done by Yasir Qadhi? I stumbled upon this on youtube and there are various oppositions condemning yasir qadhi and others regarding this pledge. From my understanding this pledge seeks to unite sunni muslims with different theological understandings such as the mainstream sunnis, maturidi, ashaari, salafi etc.. Is unity ok regardless on some differences in theology and fiqh, or are they considered sects out of the fold of islam and therefore unity with them is impossible? Fyi this pledge was signed by various well known muslim figures especially in the west.. as can be seen on: http://www.newislamicdirections.com/...scholars_orga/ http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/22/...d-cooperation/ some criticisms: http://www.madeenah.com/notes.cfm?id=1013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttBZ-g6QShk Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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antilt Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 338 Senior Member	or are just the salafis are against this? reason being all of the criticisms i see is from the salafis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRGPa...eature=related Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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diundasmink Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 539 Senior Member	Assalamualaikum, Can anyone clarify the issues on the "Pledge of Mutual Respect and Co-operation" done by Yasir Qadhi? I stumbled upon this on youtube and there are various oppositions condemning yasir qadhi and others regarding this pledge. From my understanding this pledge seeks to unite sunni muslims with different theological understandings such as the mainstream sunnis, maturidi, ashaari, salafi etc.. Is unity ok regardless on some differences in theology and fiqh, or are they considered sects out of the fold of islam and therefore unity with them is impossible? Fyi this pledge was signed by various well known muslim figures especially in the west.. as can be seen on: http://www.newislamicdirections.com/...scholars_orga/ http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/22/...d-cooperation/ some criticisms: http://www.madeenah.com/notes.cfm?id=1013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttBZ-g6QShk Well, we Deobandis have never been takfiris and are willing to come on the stage with anyone who is sincere in intent and broad-minded. After all, Yahya ibn Sa'eed al Qattan said, "The scholars of the Ahl al Sunnah are the Ahl al Tawsiya^". Translation of Ahl al Tawsiya^: People of broadmindedness. There are two groups which will be difficult to bring around: The hardcore Salafis and the Barelwis. The rest are already on one platform. See.....that's me. . . . adjusting the mike..... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2010, 03:03 AM	#4
BliliBoopsy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 429 Senior Member	Well, we Deobandis have never been takfiris and are willing to come on the stage with anyone who is sincere in intent and broad-minded. After all, Yahya ibn Sa'eed al Qattan said, "The scholars of the Ahl al Sunnah are the Ahl al Tawsiya^". Translation of Ahl al Tawsiya^: People of broadmindedness. There are two groups which will be difficult to bring around: The hardcore Salafis and the Barelwis. The rest are already on one platform. See.....that's me. . . . adjusting the mike..... ....who are the "rest" that are already on the platform...care to elaborate? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2010, 03:23 PM	#5
diundasmink Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 539 Senior Member	....who are the "rest" that are already on the platform...care to elaborate? Just us poor simple Muslims....The Hanafis except the Barelwis, the Shaafi'is, the Malikis, the Hanbalis, the Jam'at-e-Islami, the Tablighi Jamat, the Pakistan Cricket Board, the Union of Muslim Poultry farmers of Nigeria and some Salafis like Yasir Qadi. Wanna join? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2010, 09:12 PM	#6
BliliBoopsy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 429 Senior Member	Just us poor simple Muslims....The Hanafis except the Barelwis, the Shaafi'is, the Malikis, the Hanbalis, the Jam'at-e-Islami, the Tablighi Jamat, the Pakistan Cricket Board, the Union of Muslim Poultry farmers of Nigeria and some Salafis like Yasir Qadi. Wanna join? Not if I have to join hands with Saeed Book Bank, Islamabad....They charge too much for the books and whatever you need is always out of stock...And not with the pakistan cricket board either as I dont like the present chairman....There goes your poor unity drive!!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2010, 09:17 PM	#7
Bridgester Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 491 Senior Member	Unity drive lol the only thing the wahabandafis are united in is making takfir on everyone else. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2010, 10:02 PM	#8
diundasmink Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 539 Senior Member	Unity drive lol the only thing the wahabandafis are united in is making takfir on everyone else. Dear Kashmiri brother, What in the seven heavens and the seven earths is a WAHABANDAFI? Is it some new kind of "anda"=egg? Dear Depressed Muslim, You lost your chance. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2010, 03:32 AM	#9
Bridgester Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 491 Senior Member	Dear Kashmiri brother, What in the seven heavens and the seven earths is a WAHABANDAFI? Is it some new kind of "anda"=egg? Dear Depressed Muslim, You lost your chance. SALAM Its a play on words WAHABANDAFI= WAHABi deobAND salAFI I hope that explains it. Its only meant to be tongue in cheek!!! Wsalam Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2010, 03:36 AM	#10
BliliBoopsy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 429 Senior Member	Dear Kashmiri brother, What in the seven heavens and the seven earths is a WAHABANDAFI? Is it some new kind of "anda"=egg? Dear Depressed Muslim, You lost your chance. ....Where on this earth did you learn that there are seven earths....you seriously have a dodgy aqeedah mate... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2010, 03:38 AM	#11
Bridgester Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 491 Senior Member	Oh yeah, i forgot to read that part, seven earths eh. sounds like a movie Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2010, 03:41 AM	#12
SM9WI8oI Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 412 Senior Member	Oh yeah, i forgot to read that part, seven earths eh. sounds like a movie Assalam o 'alaykum, It is not a movie but a reality. http://deoband.org/2010/08/hadith/pr...e2%80%98abbas/ Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2010, 03:46 AM	#13
Bridgester Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 491 Senior Member	Jazakallah brother, we learn something new everyday. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2010, 03:50 AM	#14
BliliBoopsy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 429 Senior Member	Assalam o 'alaykum, It is not a movie but a reality. http://deoband.org/2010/08/hadith/pr...e2%80%98abbas/ .......I am so ignorant....I knew that hadith of the seven earths but never dwelled upon it... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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diundasmink Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 539 Senior Member	.......I am so ignorant....I knew that hadith of the seven earths but never dwelled upon it... Well, did someone here say something? Don't mind me. I'll just go and brush up on my hadith. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2010, 04:27 AM	#16
BliliBoopsy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 429 Senior Member	Well, did someone here say something? Don't mind me. I'll just go and brush up on my hadith. Ahh i forgot to edit that other post in which I made you look like an idiot!!! shudnt have done that...sorry...anyways I just saw the thappa of Brother Saad (the articles on that site are well researched) and Abdul hayee Lucknawi in the article and changed my stance...the hadith refers to someone eating up other's property so his punishment would be wearing seven earths around his neck so something clicked...this does not mean that I have incorporated it in my aqeeda straightaway as it is forever...wait till I become a mujtahid Mutalaq!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2010, 04:37 AM	#17
diundasmink Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 539 Senior Member	Ahh i forgot to edit that other post in which I made you look like an idiot!!! shudnt have done that...sorry...anyways I just saw the thappa of Brother Saad (the articles on that site are well researched) and Abdul hayee Lucknawi in the article and changed my stance...the hadith refers to someone eating up other's property so his punishment would be wearing seven earths around his neck so something clicked...this does not mean that I have incorporated it in my aqeeda straightaway as it is forever...wait till I become a mujtahid Mutalaq!! Well, waiting for you to become a mujtahid mutlaq would be like waiting for Godot. I'll pass. Can't we have something earlier....like anywhere before Qiyama? Till then I would like to honour you with the title of Mujtahid Potluck which I have given to some other lunkheads on this forum. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2010, 04:43 AM	#18
BliliBoopsy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 429 Senior Member	Well, waiting for you to become a mujtahid mutlaq would be like waiting for Godot. I'll pass. Can't we have something earlier....like anywhere before Qiyama? Till then I would like to honour you with the title of Mujtahid Potluck which I have given to some other lunkheads on this forum. What's Godot???....and you underestimate my abilities mate .....I had a great time being a mujtahid fil mazaahib and was well respected until the international conspiracy was launched to demote me to a muqallid!! On a serious note, I was frankly a little dissappointed at the tone and words you used for srdahmed on that other thread... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2010, 04:57 AM	#19
diundasmink Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 539 Senior Member	What's Godot???....and you underestimate my abilities mate .....I had a great time being a mujtahid fil mazaahib and was well respected until the international conspiracy was launched to demote me to a muqallid!! On a serious note, I was frankly a little dissappointed at the tone and words you used for srdahmed on that other thread... Leave Godot for the time being. You will have to brush up on your literature for that. Stick to your study of hadith. The name that you have taken seems to be mistaken. Wasn't it srdamad? Even I felt very bad later. Its an excess of anger that I have been battling since childhood and nowadays nothing seems to bring out the worst in me than the wholesale takfir that some people indulge in. If I come across the brother again, I will apologize to him, Inshallah. By the way you should have been extremely disappointed at what I did. If my Shaykh were to come to know, he would be. Wasalaam. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2010, 05:02 AM	#20
BliliBoopsy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 429 Senior Member	Leave Godot for the time being. You will have to brush up on your literature for that. Stick to your study of hadith. The name that you have taken seems to be mistaken. Wasn't it srdamad? Even I felt very bad later. Its an excess of anger that I have been battling since childhood and nowadays nothing seems to bring out the worst in me than the wholesale takfir that some people indulge in. If I come across the brother again, I will apologize to him, Inshallah. By the way you should have been extremely disappointed at what I did. If my Shaykh were to come to know, he would be. Wasalaam. I see...its good that you regret it....so you are against takfiris who target people within the sunni sects...and who's your sheikh? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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