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07-28-2011, 10:39 PM
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salaamz sis i think like every1 else says: if this guy is non-mahram for you then you shud'nt even be greetin him 4get goin into arguments with him. any way if he is mahram you shud tell him that it is absolutely necessary to have a math-hab... btw salafis, and not one of the 4 math-habs beleive that purdah is not waajib. Also in the time of the prophet (peace be upon him) people neva used to follow a math-hab because they had rasoolullah salallahu-alaihiwasallam as their illustrious and practical teacher...to answer they questions and explain to them that which they did not understand. you know, math-habs neva appear on the scene last night! - we follow a math-hab, because our elders (the 4 imams) learned the interpretation and intricate meaning and explanation of THE QUR'AAN AND AHADEETH from their elders and it goes on until eventually their elders and ustaadh's learnt from the holy prophet (salallahu-alaihiwasallam) himself,,, so will we understand the qur'aan and ahadeeth better than what they understood it? of course not. also it is necessary to follow ONE imam, even tho all four imams are hundred% correct, because just like if you are sick and go to 4 different doctors (even if they are all the best in their profession) you will still have to choose ONE to follow and take only his treatment and advise! if you choose to follow all four of them you are naturally going to harm yourself and get more sick... anyway this is just a bit of my understanding this issue. t.c |
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07-28-2011, 10:55 PM
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Yes sister mmb786 you have given correct example but what if you are more sick and you require a major surgery which can not be done by single doctor ? or if the doctor which you consult is not able to diagnose what disease you have ? still you want to consult same doctor ? or want to change doctor ? |
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07-28-2011, 11:23 PM
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sisterb you shouldnt use analogies liike this to compare the deen.
your analogy is flawed anyhow dears sister. Is there anything wrong with me asking one doctor about my headache and then asking another doctor about my saw throat? Is there any harm me asking one doctor about how safe a medicatio is and then asking another doctor. Its what we call in england a second oppinion  By your thinking, when Im ill, I must always go to the same doctor, ask him for medication, then take whatever he gives me, no questions asked, and for me to even do my own research on the medicine he gave me is heavily sinful because Im not medically trained and he is. All Im saying is, madhabs are very useful, but you cant use analogies of doctors to make it obligatory on someone to follow. |
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07-28-2011, 11:24 PM
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okayyy. yes you can change your do if you want - but of course you are still going to have to follow and take treatment from only ONE doctor or surgeon at a time!!! you cant take four operations or four different courses of treatment at 1 time, can you?... |
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07-28-2011, 11:40 PM
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okayyy. yes you can change your do if you want - but of course you are still going to have to follow and take treatment from only ONE doctor or surgeon at a time!!! you cant take four operations or four different courses of treatment at 1 time, can you?... |
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07-28-2011, 11:57 PM
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RIGHTO!!! like i say, this is just my bit of understanding on this issue...and nobody has to to accept it or agree with it as im not very learned by any means! and i agree with dawud - i shud'nt be using anologies like this to illustate the deen. anywayz i still feel it is absolutely necessary to have ONE math-hab and stick to it becoz i firmly beleive that the four illustrious imams who studied and sacrificed their lives for islaam and the persuit of knowledge understood the deen and islaam much better than what we do. Period.
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07-29-2011, 12:11 AM
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Sister come on let us all stick with one and only madhab (islam), and let us not divide deen, and follow our beloved prophet Muhammed (SAW), and cure all the deseases created by satan..!
Quran say's Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects) , you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allah, Who then will tell them what they used to do. ( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #159) |
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07-29-2011, 12:28 AM
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Sister come on let us all stick with one and only madhab (islam), and let us not divide deen, and follow our beloved prophet Muhammed (SAW), and cure all the deseases created by satan..! instead of going on with such points, it is better you read the book given by someone here and then you can judge your questions yourself. Unless you read it is just waste of time. You have some view in your mind with which you see things and it is highly possible you get proper understanding and change your view reading that book inshaaAllah or else this thread will keep on going and there is no use of discussion wasting the time of people. |
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07-29-2011, 12:28 AM
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Sister come on let us all stick with one and only madhab (islam), and let us not divide deen, and follow our beloved prophet Muhammed (SAW), and cure all the deseases created by satan..! |
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07-29-2011, 12:36 AM
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Assalamu alaykum
Sister come on let us all stick with one and only madhab (islam) You are the nth person I am requesting.. Can you please guide me to a book with has all the rulings of THE only one madhab. When I speak of rulings, I want from taharah to wiraasath. For your kind information, Imam Abu Haneefa alone had compiled around 13,00,000 rulings. So kindly look into these rulings. |
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07-29-2011, 12:38 AM
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Salam
Br. Itajamulrahman reads the link i posted or at least skim though the juicy parts. it's ad to say that your recent comments only illustrate your great ignorance in the se matters of fiqh and the madhahib. the book ive recomended goes over tHe issue thoroughly and explains the history behind the madhabs as well and the need for madhabs. The reason you need to read 77 pages as opposed to a few simple responses is because you know very little about the issue (as your posts very clearly indicate) and must thus begin with the basics before working your way up the "ladder of knowledge". AND FOR THE RECORD STOP ACCUSING THE MADHABS OF DIVIDNG THE UMMAH. IT'S IGNORAMUSES WHO RUN AROUND ACCUSING THE MADHABS OF CREATING DIVISION, WHO GO AROUND DIVIDNG THE UMMAH INTO MADHABIS AND NON-MADHABIS! |
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07-29-2011, 12:56 AM
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Bismillah may ALLAH guide us all. |
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07-30-2011, 12:09 AM
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Salam What do you want to prove with this book ? Where is the word taqleed written in quran and ahadith ?.. What is taqleed ?.. Ans; In simple blindly following to some one is taqleed right ?.. i.e. without any proof or evidences ?.. which imam said to follow him blindly ?.. Imam abu hanifa (RA) himself said if my fatwa come against quran and ahadith then throw my fatwa to the wall and follow quran and sunnah. Am i correct brother ?.. In world itself imam is saying like this then if you follow him blindly then what will happen in the day of judgement ?.. and always give references only to quran and ahadith so that some one can understand easily ok ? |
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07-30-2011, 01:07 AM
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Dear brother why you want to give references to other book's why you dont want to give references to quran and sunnah ?.. By Umm Nabeel The issue of the schools of Islamic law, called madhhabs or mathhabs, is often a subject of great confusion for new Muslims when it doesn't have to be. Some contemporary Islamic movements have tried to make the issue into a confusing one causing division between Muslims. However, it is actually a very simple issue. Islam has four such juristic schools, each one named for its founder: Hanafi (pronounced hana-fee) named for Imam Abu Hanifa, Shafi'i, (pronounced shaa-f'ee) named for Imam Shafi'i, Maliki (pronounced maa-likee), named for Imam Malik, and Hanbali (pronounced han-balee), named for Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal. What is a Madhhab? A madhhab is, first and foremost, a precise methodology which scholars use to derive Islamic rulings. Each madhhab differs slightly in its methodology, and this causes them to have slightly different rulings in some cases, however the differences are usually on minor and secondary points. All four agree on the basic belief system of Islam, and on the majority of their rulings, and they do not constitute separate sects, denominations, or groups within Islam. They also agree on the basic beginnings of their methodology: that the primary sources of Islamic rulings are the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet, peace be upon him. Their differences come over more minute and difficult issues, many of which are not possible to resolve. For example: how to reconcile apparent contradictions between two texts, when there is more than one acceptable interpretation of an Arabic word, or when there is an issue (especially contemporary issues) which no text in the Qur'an and Sunnah explicitly addresses. In some cases, scholars within a particular madhhab can have different opinions as well. Many people, however, conceptualize madhhabs as just collections of rulings, mainly because people in search of an answer to a particular question of Islamic law such as whether something is halal (permissible) or haram (forbidden) will consult the rulings of the particular madhhab they follow. Some incorrectly believe they are a merely collection of the "opinions" of the Imam for whom it was named. On the contrary, a madhhab is a collection of rulings based on the Qur'an and Sunnah, using the sophisticated methodologies for deducing these rulings that were developed by the Four Imams. So when a person looks for a ruling "of a particular madhhab," he is actually looking for the rulings that have been deduced by scholars who are applying the methodology of that madhhab. These rulings were not just compiled over a short period of time. The methodologies and the rulings have been reviewed and refined by the scholars over hundreds of years, up to and including the present day. Do I have to follow a madhhab? Unfortunately for many new Muslims, finding information about the different madhhabs can be extremely difficult. This is due primarily to the fact that in many Muslim communities people follow a wide variety of different schools or none at all, as well as to the fact that literature on Islamic law and rulings in English is almost non-existent. If you are unable to find information that can help you choose and follow a madhhab, don't worry-whether or not you follow a madhhab is not an issue that determines whether or not you are a Muslim or even if you are a good Muslim. In fact, the vast majority of American Muslims find this difficult and many times practice Islam based on what they can learn from the hodgepodge of sources they have available to them: books, lectures, the Imam of the local mosque, and Muslim friends. There are various opinions on this issue but the vast majority of our respected scholars do say that it is preferable or even required to pick one madhhab and follow it for one simple reason: personal consistency. It is better and more consistent (and common sense) for a person to stick to rulings that are all based on the same methodology. This also prevents you from following your hawaa' (desires) and allowing yourself to "shop around" for the opinion that most suits you rather than just taking an opinion based on sound scholarship. However, if you have a genuine need, and something of your chosen madhhab is going to cause you hardship, then you are permitted to take a dispensation from another madhab. It is also true that there are sometimes different opinions on things within the same madhhab and going outside of your chosen school isn't necessary. Keep in mind, however, that going outside one's madhhab technically requires consultation with a shaykh who will verify your need to do so and instruct you in the best and most careful way to take a different opinion, again to help you stay consistent. However, because most Muslims in the West do not have access to a Shaykh who can help them, it is best to stay with one madhhab if at all possible and to seek outside opinions with great caution in extraneous situations. How do I choose? Choosing one madhhab over another does not mean that you believe that one is more correct and the others less correct. In fact, the consensus (ijma'ah) of all of the scholars of the Ummah is that all four are equally correct and valid. There is no one madhhab or one opinion that is "closer to the Sunnah". Choosing which madhhab to follow is not a life-or-death decision and you can always change. If you have access to advanced information, you can study in detail and pick the one that is most appealing to you in terms of its methodology, but it is easier to choose the one that has rulings that are easiest or most appropriate for you and your situation. For example, some people believe that scholars of the Hanafi madhhab have spent more time constructing rulings appropriate for people who live in non-Muslim countries. Others believe the Shafi'i madhhab to be somewhat more strict in some issues, and therefore more "careful". You can also pick based on yours or your spouse's family/country situation. It is much easier to have your whole family following the same madhhab because this means your family will all do things exactly the same way, and if there is a religious disagreement between you, you will agree on which sources to consult for your answer. Likewise, it is easier to be the same madhhab as the majority of people in your or your spouse's home country. It is also worth considering if you ever plan to study or live in a particular Muslim country to find out which madhhabs are most prevalent there. What About People Who Follow Other Madhhabs? There was a time in Islamic history when people treated different madhhabs as different sects of Islam, making prayer behind a person of another madhhab or marriage to a person of another madhhab unlawful. This was due to ignorance of the correct way to follow a madhhab and the correct way to regard people who follow a madhhab other than one's own. Even today in many places, you may encounter a person in a mosque who will try to tell you that the way you are praying is wrong. As mentioned before, there is consensus of the scholars of Sunni Islam for hundreds of years that all four madhhabs are equally correct and valid. This means that as long as you are following a valid opinion, you need not worry that what you are doing or what somebody else is doing is wrong. This also means that in many cases, there is more than one right way to do something, such as how to put your hands while your pray, and that it is okay to pray behind an imam who makes his wudu in a slightly different way. Such differences usually arise because the Prophet himself (peace be upon him) usually did things in several different ways and these minor differences do not affect the validity of a person's wudu or prayer. One classic example: In the Maliki madhhab, people move their finger constantly when they recite tashahhud. But in the Shafi'i madhhab they do not move their finger, and in addition, more than two movements is considered to invalidate the prayer. This does NOT mean that the prayer of a person who follows the Maliki madhhab and who moves his finger during his prayer is invalid in the eyes of a person who follows the Shafi'I madhhab. One does not apply his or her own madhhab to other people. Instead, each person's prayer is valid according to the methodology they themselves follow, as long as each person is following a methodology that is recognized as valid by the scholars of our Ummah. Some Muslims Told Me I Shouldn't Follow a Madhhab Because it's "Blind Following". What Does This Mean? Recently, some Muslims have taken the opinion that following a madhhab is "blind following" because one follows the rulings of the madhhab without knowing what the reasons for the rulings are in the Qur'an and Sunnah. However, the vast majority of Muslims don't possess the level of technical knowledge required to make rulings. Many of us may not even have the ability to access or understand the often complex reasons behind the rulings. Thus, this taqleed or "following" is necessary, in fact required, for the vast majority of Muslims because we simply can't all be scholars. Some groups call this "blind following" and make it sound like a bad thing, but the fact is that all Muslims of any madhhab or self-professed manhaj who are not themselves scholars are "blind following" or rather, making taqleed of someone. Non-scholars need to take knowledge and rulings, mostly without understanding the reasons behind the rulings, from scholars for reasons that will now be discussed. What do I do if I Read a Hadeeth That Seems to Contradict A Ruling of My Madhhab? Keep doing what you are doing-following your madhhab. When you read a Hadeeth, you are reading it in isolation, without knowledge of the other texts that relate to it, what other scholars have said about it, alternate or similar versions of the Hadeeth. If you're a new Muslim, you probably don't even know what the original Arabic text of the Hadeeth itself was and what the various meanings of the key words are in Classical Arabic. Realize that making rulings on issues is a complex process that entails consideration of numerous factors. Although we are all encouraged to read the Qur'an and read sayings of the Prophet (peace be upon him) for inspiration and information, we are not entitled to make rulings for ourselves based on what we read in our limited knowledge, not to mention in translation. Why Can't I Just Read the Qur'an and Hadeeth and Find Out the Rulings For Myself? Our scholars set high standards for themselves and for other scholars. A vast amount of knowledge was required of somebody before he or she reached the level of being able to make ijtihaad -- to deduce rulings directly from the Qur'an and Sunnah. This is because making rulings is a complex process not to be attempted by just anyone. Such a vast level of knowledge is almost incomprehensible to many of us today, and there is debate over exactly how many people are still alive who are at such a level. By most accounts the number can be counted on one hand. Qualifications for making rulings directly from the Qur'an and Sunnah are high because of the huge number of variables that have to be known and taken into account by the scholar, some of which were mentioned above. Some beginning qualifications for a scholar are: - Start with a detailed, intimate knowledge of the "Classical" Arabic language-fusHaa, NOT Modern Standard Arabic or any of the regional dialects. As all of the texts of the Qur'an and Sunnah are in this language, one must be a scholar of language itself before he or she can become a scholar of Islam. Not only does one need to be able to speak, read, and write the language fluently, one must have a detailed knowledge of the linguistic sciences of the Arabic language. This includes grammar encompassing phonology, morphology, syntax, semantics. One must also have memorized the treatises on these topics written by the great scholars of the language. In addition, one must be intimately familiar with pre-Islamic Arabic poetry, which is a source of word meanings, as is knowledge of the dialects that existed among people at the time of the revelation of the Qur'an. There is also a huge corpus of Arabic dictionaries, many of them highly specialized, compiled by our Islamic scholars. Most people in the world today do not even meet this primary criterion, let alone the more advanced ones: · to have memorized the whole Qur'an (all seven readings included) · to have memorized thousands of ahadeeth with their chains of narration and the books dedicated to the biographical information of the people in those chains memorization of (not just reading or possessing) hundreds of classical texts of ahadeeth · history of the life of the Prophet, peace be upon him (called seerah) · sayings of the Companions of the Prophet · authentic tafaseer (explanations) of the Qur'an · the detailed methodological principles of the madhhabs · Scholars even considered knowledge of the spiritual disciplines to be essential even for a scholar who specialized in technical issues, because the knowledge also has a spiritual dimension. All of this knowledge is required for a scholar to make a fully informed decision on an issue before he or she can come to a solid conclusion which is as close to the Sunnah of the Prophet, peace be upon him as humanly possible. Although this does not guarantee that mistakes will not be made, the Prophet himself (peace be upon him) mentions in a famous Hadeeth that scholars who make an honest effort and come up with a wrong answer will still be rewarded for their honest effort. Also, the peer-review process of other scholars considering the rulings of their colleagues and catching mistakes is what has refined the madhhabs into the fine-tuned systems they are today. For all these reasons, it is wrong for a non-scholar to attempt to make rulings for themselves, and such an attempt will inevitably result in a ruling that is further, not closer, to the Sunnah. In that light, we may now understand following a madhhab to be, as Abdul Hakim Murad says, a "sophisticated technique for avoiding innovation (bid'ah)". |
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07-30-2011, 01:26 AM
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Dear brother why you want to give references to other book's why you dont want to give references to quran and sunnah ?.. |
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07-30-2011, 03:42 AM
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i agree, and you cant follow two oppinions in fiqh at the same time, its impossibile to do so, but you can follow the oppinions of two different scholars on two different issues, teh same as you can follow two diffferent doctors on two different health issues So with the contemporary Hanafi Ulema in ash-Shaam, to the best of my understanding, their inclination is towards your view while those in the Subcontinent cite the factor I did above which makes their position different. I do not know how Iraqi and Turkish Hanafi Ulema, by and large, view the issue. Furthermore, I am not sure if this has always been an issue over which Ulema have differed or if this has occurred just recently. Wa'salaam. |
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07-30-2011, 03:57 AM
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What!!? Elaborate please! |
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07-30-2011, 11:29 PM
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Understanding madhhabs: A beginner's guide and FAQ You are the only person who have understand my question and answered atleast 60% of what i required.. I have seen some persons that they even dont know that they are (muslim's or not) but they really know they are hanafi or shafi or malaki or hambali.. I want to ask you brother if a person who follows all four imam's (R.A) he will not be granted jannah ? Or a person who follows none of Imam's (R.A) he will not enter jannah ? What about the people before this four imam's (R.A) ? Is islam incomplete without this four imam's (R.A) ? The person who follow's all four imam's (R.A) is correct ? Or The person who follows none of imam's (R.A) is correct ? Or The person who follow's only one imam (R.A) and reject's rest of all three imam's (R.A) is correct ? Or The person who follow's any of the four imam's (R.A) blindly is correct ? Or The person who agree's all four imam's (R.A) are correct and even thou want to stick with one is correct ? Or The person who changes imam's (R.A) frequently is correct ? Or The person who dose not want to go deeply in this case and just want to simple muslim is correct ? What you say brother ? Answer me with references to quran and sunnah if possible, i always say this because in this forum i have seen no one answering me refering quran and sunnah they either refer to any book or the simply say their openion. Who will go to jannah ??? |
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07-30-2011, 11:41 PM
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And no one would disagree with you if it wasn't for the fact that with respect to fiqh there is also the problem of people falling into the fitnah of following their desires, i.e. seeking multiple opinions in order to find one that they find easy and then making taqleed of it. How people will fall into fitnah ? when they have quran and sunnah in their heart's and mind's.. i think no true mulsim who lives for allah and die's for allah will fall into fitnah.. |
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07-30-2011, 11:50 PM
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Lack of adab is highly objectionable. Try to be polite while you have intention to learn anything. First of all i want to say sorry for any thing which i said unknowingly that hurt's someone in this forum. I agree with my nature that i speak's harshly please kindly do not misunderstand me. Please kindly concentrate to the message and please kind do not see the way i speak.. I am new to this forum and alhumdulillah i learned lot in few day's and i seek your's support to increase some of my knowledge in the way of deen.. I hope you understand me brother....! |
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