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07-26-2011, 03:26 AM
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Well you shias. You say Abu Bakr (ra) was bad etc etc. but let me tell you something. would you name your son your worst enemy i.e Netanyahoo ( Oeader of Israel) But Ali named one of his sons Abu Bakr
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07-26-2011, 03:28 AM
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Brother, not every sha scholar is right, nor sunni .if you dont know anything about their lives y would you even cruse the family of the prophet (pbuh) in the first place? Why would you cruse anyone for no good reason? Yes there is differences, that will always be true. There is mistakes also. As for That Quranic verse you previously quoted: The Prophet is closer to the believers than their selves, and his wives are their mothers. And the owners of kinship are closer one to another in the ordinance of Allah than (other) believers and the fugitives (who fled from Mecca), except that ye should do kindness to your friends. This is written in the Book (of nature). [33:6] Can you tell me where it says that 'Ali (ra) is the leader and Caliph of all Muslims? |
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07-26-2011, 03:28 AM
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No it proves that you're posting off topic and that you're raising Shubuhat and throwing falsehoods left and right. |
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07-26-2011, 03:29 AM
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Give me reasons why shia islam, is wrong? Thus, the people of truth’s creed in no way disparages Ali, nor levels accusations of immorality at him. It does not attribute cowardice where there was such remarkable courage, but says that if Ali had not considered the Rightly-Guided Caliphs to be right, he would not have recognized them for a minute, nor obeyed them. It means that since he thought them right and preferable, he made over his courage and striving to the way of justice. |
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07-26-2011, 03:30 AM
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I was showing that some hadiahs from this book have some falsehood. http://www.google.com.lb/url?sa=t&so...QArhEhqmMKrQQg |
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07-26-2011, 03:31 AM
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All i have said is that we need to stop deying the prophet family, and imam alis chaplih. You need to ask allah (swt) for guideaice, i leave you with this. Seek the truth. |
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07-26-2011, 03:37 AM
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Sorry guys, i have to leave its almost salat here, i will reply to all of you in time inshallah. But i leave you with this, in which no man can deny The QURAN, Not a book of hadiahs that state some ignorance,such as allah (swt) putting his own feet in fire, sukfurallah.
033.006 YUSUFALI: The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers. Blood-relations among each other have closer personal ties, in the Decree of Allah Than (the Brotherhood of) Believers and Muhajirs. nevertheless do ye what is just to your closest friends: such is the writing in the Decree (of Allah). PICKTHAL: The Prophet is closer to the believers than their selves, and his wives are their mothers. And the owners of kinship are closer one to another in the ordinance of Allah than (other) believers and the fugitives (who fled from Mecca), except that ye should do kindness to your friends. This is written in the Book (of nature). SHAKIR: The Prophet has a greater claim on the faithful than they have on themselves, and his wives are their mothers; and the POSSESSORS OF RELATIONSHIPS HAVE THE BETTER CLAIM IN THE ORDINANCE OF Allah TO INHERITANCE, one with respect to another, than (other) believers, and (than) those who have fled (their homes), except that you do some good to your friends; this is written in the Book. This is a statement, which no muslim can deny. |
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07-26-2011, 03:40 AM
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I Suggest you go pray, maybe that'll do you some good on the day of judgement and don't waste your time in debates it's clearly not your strong point.
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07-26-2011, 03:47 AM
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I will pray inshallah, but this is clearly not a debate, no quran was put , except hadiahs. Since the day i became a muslim i knew i couldnt be a sunni when i turn the tv to a sunni islamic channel all they would talk about is how shia is wrong and how shia hit themselfs till they bleed etc. Nor could i be a shia . But a muslim i can be. ALSO I HAVE REALIZED, SINCE U SAY ALI IS THE FOURTH CALPIH YOU STILL HAVNT REPLAYED TO THE QURANIC VERSE?
But i leave you with this, in which no man can deny The QURAN, Not a book of hadiahs that state some ignorance,such as allah (swt) putting his own feet in fire, sukfurallah. 033.006 YUSUFALI: The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers. Blood-relations among each other have closer personal ties, in the Decree of Allah Than (the Brotherhood of) Believers and Muhajirs. nevertheless do ye what is just to your closest friends: such is the writing in the Decree (of Allah). PICKTHAL: The Prophet is closer to the believers than their selves, and his wives are their mothers. And the owners of kinship are closer one to another in the ordinance of Allah than (other) believers and the fugitives (who fled from Mecca), except that ye should do kindness to your friends. This is written in the Book (of nature). SHAKIR: The Prophet has a greater claim on the faithful than they have on themselves, and his wives are their mothers; and the POSSESSORS OF RELATIONSHIPS HAVE THE BETTER CLAIM IN THE ORDINANCE OF Allah TO INHERITANCE, one with respect to another, than (other) believers, and (than) those who have fled (their homes), except that you do some good to your friends; this is written in the Book. This is a statement, which no muslim can deny. Asalam alkome. If you would like to debate agian, please email me at Alnasheeds@yahoo.com |
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07-26-2011, 03:51 AM
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great sukfurullah sukfurullah.... whatever..
(BTW for those wondering, ^ yes that's Taqqiyah he was born Shia). |
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07-26-2011, 04:06 AM
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^ yes that's Taqqiyah he was born Shia). Oh brother, i will never quote you with a book, other than the quran! I have gave you a quran quote that shows my point. But since you brought up sahih al-Bukhari, lemme bring up some quotes from it. I will pray inshallah, but this is clearly not a debate, no quran was put(means Oallah dont beleive in quran,verse (38:75) , except hadiahs. As for the narration you got from Bukhari can you tell me how it is different than this Quranic verse: |
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07-26-2011, 04:17 AM
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YUSUFALI: The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers. Blood-relations among each other have closer personal ties, in the Decree of Allah Than (the Brotherhood of) Believers and Muhajirs. nevertheless do ye what is just to your closest friends: such is the writing in the Decree (of Allah). lets get some understanding
so what you are saying is that you follow one sentence of this verse? or are you saying you dont follow any part of the verse but you feel this sentence feels like you maybe able to 'work with it'? |
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