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Old 07-26-2011, 03:26 AM   #21
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Well you shias. You say Abu Bakr (ra) was bad etc etc. but let me tell you something. would you name your son your worst enemy i.e Netanyahoo ( Oeader of Israel) But Ali named one of his sons Abu Bakr
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:28 AM   #22
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Brother, not every sha scholar is right, nor sunni .if you dont know anything about their lives y would you even cruse the family of the prophet (pbuh) in the first place? Why would you cruse anyone for no good reason? Yes there is differences, that will always be true. There is mistakes also.
^ Can anyone explain to me what he's saying? Shias make less and less sense everyday. You see I don't know any "Sunnies" who curse the family of the prophet SAWS but I know plenty of Shias who curse his Wives and cousins, And I Also don't know any "Sunnies" who deny that the prophet SAWS had a grandson but I know plenty of Shias who deny that the prophet SAWS had three other daughters.

As for That Quranic verse you previously quoted:

The Prophet is closer to the believers than their selves, and his wives are their mothers. And the owners of kinship are closer one to another in the ordinance of Allah than (other) believers and the fugitives (who fled from Mecca), except that ye should do kindness to your friends. This is written in the Book (of nature). [33:6]

Can you tell me where it says that 'Ali (ra) is the leader and Caliph of all Muslims?
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:28 AM   #23
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No it proves that you're posting off topic and that you're raising Shubuhat and throwing falsehoods left and right.
All i have said is that we need to stop deying the prophet family, and imam alis chaplih. You need to ask allah (swt) for guideaice, i leave you with this. Seek the truth.
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:29 AM   #24
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Give me reasons why shia islam, is wrong?
As for the Caliphate Shi‘a, they can claim no rights before the Sunnis other than shame. For although they say they have tremendous love for Ali (May Allah be pleased with him), they disparage him, and their creed necessitates accusing him of immorality. For they say that although Abu Bakr the Veracious and ‘Umar were acting unjustly, Ali feigned approval for them; according to Shi’i terminology, he dissimulated. That is, he was frightened of them and behaved hypocritically. But it is not love to hold that someone who was such a hero of Islam, won the title Lion of Allah, and was the commander and guide of the faithful, was simulating love for people he did not love out of fear and deception, and was feigning approval for them in fear for more than twenty years, and was following wrongdoers. Ali (May Allah be pleased with him) would disclaim love that sort.

Thus, the people of truth’s creed in no way disparages Ali, nor levels accusations of immorality at him. It does not attribute cowardice where there was such remarkable courage, but says that if Ali had not considered the Rightly-Guided Caliphs to be right, he would not have recognized them for a minute, nor obeyed them. It means that since he thought them right and preferable, he made over his courage and striving to the way of justice.
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:30 AM   #25
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I was showing that some hadiahs from this book have some falsehood.

Why are you so ignorant to the truth when its in your eyes? Tell me , what do you know about shia islam.?
I know a lot of things, please visit my thread:
http://www.google.com.lb/url?sa=t&so...QArhEhqmMKrQQg
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:31 AM   #26
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All i have said is that we need to stop deying the prophet family, and imam alis chaplih. You need to ask allah (swt) for guideaice, i leave you with this. Seek the truth.
I don't deny his Caliph, He is one of the greatest Caliphs of Islam and he's the fourth Righteous Caliph and we Love him and obey him.
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:37 AM   #27
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Sorry guys, i have to leave its almost salat here, i will reply to all of you in time inshallah. But i leave you with this, in which no man can deny The QURAN, Not a book of hadiahs that state some ignorance,such as allah (swt) putting his own feet in fire, sukfurallah.

033.006
YUSUFALI: The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers. Blood-relations among each other have closer personal ties, in the Decree of Allah Than (the Brotherhood of) Believers and Muhajirs. nevertheless do ye what is just to your closest friends: such is the writing in the Decree (of Allah).

PICKTHAL: The Prophet is closer to the believers than their selves, and his wives are their mothers. And the owners of kinship are closer one to another in the ordinance of Allah than (other) believers and the fugitives (who fled from Mecca), except that ye should do kindness to your friends. This is written in the Book (of nature).

SHAKIR: The Prophet has a greater claim on the faithful than they have on themselves, and his wives are their mothers; and the POSSESSORS OF RELATIONSHIPS HAVE THE BETTER CLAIM IN THE ORDINANCE OF Allah TO INHERITANCE, one with respect to another, than (other) believers, and (than) those who have fled (their homes), except that you do some good to your friends; this is written in the Book.

This is a statement, which no muslim can deny.
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:40 AM   #28
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I Suggest you go pray, maybe that'll do you some good on the day of judgement and don't waste your time in debates it's clearly not your strong point.
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:47 AM   #29
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I will pray inshallah, but this is clearly not a debate, no quran was put , except hadiahs. Since the day i became a muslim i knew i couldnt be a sunni when i turn the tv to a sunni islamic channel all they would talk about is how shia is wrong and how shia hit themselfs till they bleed etc. Nor could i be a shia . But a muslim i can be. ALSO I HAVE REALIZED, SINCE U SAY ALI IS THE FOURTH CALPIH YOU STILL HAVNT REPLAYED TO THE QURANIC VERSE?


But i leave you with this, in which no man can deny The QURAN, Not a book of hadiahs that state some ignorance,such as allah (swt) putting his own feet in fire, sukfurallah.
033.006
YUSUFALI: The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers. Blood-relations among each other have closer personal ties, in the Decree of Allah Than (the Brotherhood of) Believers and Muhajirs. nevertheless do ye what is just to your closest friends: such is the writing in the Decree (of Allah).

PICKTHAL: The Prophet is closer to the believers than their selves, and his wives are their mothers. And the owners of kinship are closer one to another in the ordinance of Allah than (other) believers and the fugitives (who fled from Mecca), except that ye should do kindness to your friends. This is written in the Book (of nature).

SHAKIR: The Prophet has a greater claim on the faithful than they have on themselves, and his wives are their mothers; and the POSSESSORS OF RELATIONSHIPS HAVE THE BETTER CLAIM IN THE ORDINANCE OF Allah TO INHERITANCE, one with respect to another, than (other) believers, and (than) those who have fled (their homes), except that you do some good to your friends; this is written in the Book.

This is a statement, which no muslim can deny.

Asalam alkome. If you would like to debate agian, please email me at Alnasheeds@yahoo.com
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:51 AM   #30
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great sukfurullah sukfurullah.... whatever..

(BTW for those wondering, ^ yes that's Taqqiyah he was born Shia).
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Old 07-26-2011, 04:06 AM   #31
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^ yes that's Taqqiyah he was born Shia).
let him practise his taqqiyah religion.
Oh brother, i will never quote you with a book, other than the quran! I have gave you a quran quote that shows my point. But since you brought up sahih al-Bukhari, lemme bring up some quotes from it.


(A) Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) said, 'On the Day of Judgement when Allah Most High throws the people into the hell fire, it will say, "Give me more." Then Allah Most High will create a nation and then throw them into it. The hell fire will again complain, "I want more", and again Allah Most High will create a nation and throw them into it. The hell fire will again say, "I want more" and then Allah Most High will put His feet onto the hell fire and it will be full"
I will pray inshallah, but this is clearly not a debate, no quran was put(means Oallah dont beleive in quran,verse (38:75) , except hadiahs.

But i leave you with this, in which no man can deny The QURAN, Not a book of hadiahs that state some ignorance,such as allah (swt) putting his own feet in fire(and the Hell will be full) Oallah forgot to quote the context, sukfurallah.
As for the narration you got from Bukhari can you tell me how it is different than this Quranic verse:

[Allah] said, "O Iblees, what prevented you from prostrating to that which I created with My hands? Were you arrogant [then], or were you [already] among the haughty?" (38:75)
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Old 07-26-2011, 04:17 AM   #32
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YUSUFALI: The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers. Blood-relations among each other have closer personal ties, in the Decree of Allah Than (the Brotherhood of) Believers and Muhajirs. nevertheless do ye what is just to your closest friends: such is the writing in the Decree (of Allah). lets get some understanding

so what you are saying is that you follow one sentence of this verse?

or are you saying you dont follow any part of the verse but you feel this sentence feels like you maybe able to 'work with it'?
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