[sueplydup]

After decades of war, rebellion, conflict, south Sudan has seceded from the north to form the newest country in the New World Order.

Is this a "good thing" for both the peoples of Sudan and the region?

Or is this a major violation of Islam and a betrayal of the Muslim Ummah?

[Britiobby]

After decades of war, rebellion, conflict, south Sudan has seceded from the north to form the newest country in the New World Order.

Is this a "good thing" for both the peoples of Sudan and the region?

Or is this a major violation of Islam and a betrayal of the Muslim Ummah?

I too read it in the papers. I think only someone actually from Sudan will be able to give us a clear picture of what was the political, cultural and social situation of the country.

[enfoires]

After decades of war, rebellion, conflict, south Sudan has seceded from the north to form the newest country in the New World Order.

Is this a "good thing" for both the peoples of Sudan and the region?

Or is this a major violation of Islam and a betrayal of the Muslim Ummah?

It's probably what's best for everyone within Sudan. As much as we may hate to admit it, the Sudanese government severely neglected the south when it came to development. I can hardly blame such people for wanting to free themselves, especially considering much of the oil revenue that the north was enriching itself off of came from oil fields in the south. This seems to be a pretty common issue regarding oil throughout the world--it's has been happening in Nigeria and parts of Mexico.

[Abnorbprootly]

i believe it is a good thing inshallah as that makes sudan a 100% muslim country now mashallah which means that even with all the pressures on muslim governments to be democratic etc, the agenda will still be a muslim one inshallah as long as the population is in a good condition bi ithnillah.

I think the ruler said if the south succedes he will rule by sharia. I consider him to be one of the better rulers of this ummah. Wallahu a'lam.

[bZEUWO4F]

well its good to start a construction related business because in coming times theres hopefully going to be a lot of development.

[konanoileaski]

Err, can anyone explain the situation there in the first place? Are there many ulema there, is the government Islamic, and what's this about genocide I've been hearing for years but never really understood?

[CialisBestPrice]

It's as bad as any of the other US foreign policies... there goes the oil.

[enfoires]

Err, can anyone explain the situation there in the first place? Are there many ulema there, is the government Islamic, and what's this about genocide I've been hearing for years but never really understood?

Sudan has very good scholars, and is one of the last places in the world with reliable sufi shaykhs. The genocide was against the people of Darfur, who are primarily Muslim. It isn't so much a genocide as a very overblown reaction to the rebel groups that operate in Darfur and are trying to secede from the northern government. The northern government sent in militia who indiscriminately killed the people of Darfur, including ulama residing in the region; many mosques have also been burnt down by the militia (called the Janjaweed). But that issue is separate from the south. I would not under any circumstances consider the northern government to be one which truly follows Islam, especially considering their complete disregard for the sanctity of innocent Muslim life and holy sites within Darfur.


The south--who are primarily animists and Christians--have had very little development in their region, as all the oil money went to develop the north. Currently there are quite a few battles between the two nations as the north tries to keep its hold on oil fields along the border.

[LOVEBoy]

Its a crime for noone has a right to break up Muslim lands this is the work of the zionists to keep Islam & Muslims weak.

[sueplydup]

Here is an excellent analysis of the catastrophe that is Sudan from shaykh Haytham al Haddad.

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLjTJlI0fx8

To offer some points:

1) Haddad studied Islam in Sudan and knows the situation intimately

2) South Sudan is/was ruled by Muslims and it is haram to then surrender it to be ruled by nonMuslims.

3) South Sudanese Muslim population outnumber the Christian population, but the animist/pagan followers outnumber either Christian or Muslim

4) The central government in Khartoum betrayed the Ummah intentionally, and by failing to foresee the plans of the enemies of Allah.

5) The Sudanese mentality of passive indifference, of a lack of political awareness, played a role in allowing the entire catastrophe

6) The enemies of Allah encouraged the division of Sudan by fomenting cultural, religious, ethnic tribal differences

[Kolovorotkes]

shaykh haitham haddad used to live near to me for a long time. He is a very nice person who is very aware of many things. He is not apologetic and presents things in an orthodox manner. May ALLAH reward the shaykh ameen.

[Teeppoodiug]

salamu alikum,
I have heard of many connection between Sudan and China, I think those connections are mostly about investments. But what does it mean? Some people say that China will dictate in Northern Sudan now...

w salam

[CialisBestPrice]

Can Any of the Brothers See this Video? This sums it all up:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video....45156&comments

[sueplydup]

Omar al Bashir is directly responsible for Sudan's horrible affairs. He has been in power since 1989- 22 years. In that time, he has lost about 40% his country to southern secession, 70% of his oil resources, given autonomy to eastern Sudanese rebels groups backed by Eritrea, and will likely be forced to give autonomy to Darfur rebels backed by Chad (and a host of others).

Should ALL the Sudanese be to blame?
Haven't many ulama legitimized and advocate obedience to rulers even if they are corrupt?

Muslims have to wake up to awareness of their affairs, and Sudan is good place to learn that lesson.
To begin, the Sudanese government is a national republic, decentralized, democratic. Bashir orchestrated the secession by complying with SPLM demands for decentralization, secularization of the souths legislation, arming of SPLA forces(that's right, the Khartoum govt has armed the SPLA for years as part of their treaties), republicanism which structured the south as a contiguous state government before secession.


Its like giving your daughter the keys to the car, telling her that she can fornicate freely, gifting her whorish clothes, and then being shocked when she becomes pregnant, or contracts a sexual disease, or is date raped.


For Bashir's case, its much worse as he has intentionally carried out this path for years.

[LOVEBoy]

Bismillah
Anyone who do not respect the right of others i.e to be able to voice their concern, hold people accountable and miss treat fellow country on the ground of their ethenic background, it makes no difference if it is muslim or non muslim, the inevitable will happen. Same thing happen in former territories of indonesian Island and East Pakistan.
There is no viel between the oppressed and Allah, the most just even be the oppressed be non muslim!
Muslim can't manage their own people let alone manage others. For the same reason, talking about shariah when the people who shouts about it too much are generally devoid of wisdom or knowledge of shairah.
Allahualam

It's funny how quickly the world body got together and spliced Islamic Sudan into a South Sudan (Christian Sudan) with full UN recognition (Christian dominated UN) while Muslim Kashmir and Palestine have no chance or right to exist and form their own government. I remember the christians got together and formed independent (Christian)Timor from Muslim Indonesia in the same quick way.

[Teeppoodiug]

salam alikum,
there is no christian South - there is proportionally similar population christians/muslims, but majority above all are other religions of black Afrika or atheists.
I think it is very confusing that west declares about *christian* Southern Sudan

[Creva4k]

It's funny how quickly the world body got together and spliced Islamic Sudan into a South Sudan (Christian Sudan) with full UN recognition (Christian dominated UN) while Muslim Kashmir and Palestine have no chance or right to exist and form their own government. I remember the christians got together and formed independent (Christian)Timor from Muslim Indonesia in the same quick way.

The South SUDAN is not primarily christian though...

[enfoires]

The South SUDAN is not primarily christian though...

Yes, but it's perceived to be primarily Christians within the Western media. As such it should be no surprise that they received such endorsements. The only Muslim nation to receive remotely the same treatment would be Kosovo, but even then, most of them are secularized and consider themselves Muslims only in the sense that it's linked with their ethnicity. As I've said in the past, Muslims should never expect the kuffar to accept them, and anyone who thinks American politicians do anything (such as the war in Libya) out of the goodness of their heart is just deluding themselves.

[LOVEBoy]

I agree with you brother ibn Mikael very true words.

[Rememavotscam]

Yes, but it's perceived to be primarily Christians within the Western media. As such it should be no surprise that they received such endorsements. The only Muslim nation to receive remotely the same treatment would be Kosovo, but even then, most of them are secularized and consider themselves Muslims only in the sense that it's linked with their ethnicity. As I've said in the past, Muslims should never expect the kuffar to accept them, and anyone who thinks American politicians do anything (such as the war in Libya) out of the goodness of their heart is just deluding themselves.

Ibn Mikael, as a convert you spent some time as a the kuffar, so i think you have a good perspective for the question I'm going to ask. I'm wondering, and I do so with full sincerity, why is it that you think we will never accept Muslims? Is it something that needs to change in us in you or both?