[smifatv]

aoa,

the two things mentioned in the title arent related to each oth r in my question?

I want to know:
- why hanafis offer only three rakat in witr? can any hanafi show me as to how they reached their conclusion?(im not contenting the legality of this, i just want to know why)
- how do the hanbalis do sajda sahw?
- how do the hanbalis offer the single rakat of witr?

any links and references will be welcome.

[Jorcelirl]

Salaat-ul-Witr According to Hanafi Madhab

Q: I would really appreciate if you could somehow provide with some hadith / reference in support of 3 rakah witr salaat according to the Hanafi Madhab.

ANSWER:

In the article that you forwarded to me, the writer has accepted that one may perform 3 Rakaats of Witr Salaat. However, he seems to be imposing the view that this should only be done in the manner that he has understood, i.e. 2 Rakaats with a salaam and thereafter 1 Rakaat. Whilst this method may be correct according to some Madhabs, to impose it on the followers of other Madhabs will not be proper.
Hence, I would hereby mention those proofs that support the Hanafi view on this matter.
According to the Hanafi Madhab, the Witr Salaat should be performed as 3 Rakaats with one salaam at the end only. This view is based on the following:

1. Sayyidatuna Aaisha (Radhiallaahu Anha) reports that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) never used to make salaam after the first 2 Rakaats of Witr.’ (Mustadrak Haakim vol.1 pg.304; Imaam Haakim has classified this Hadith as Sahih according to the requirements of Bukhari and Muslim. Hafiz Dhahabi has also accepted this). Imaam Haakim then says, ‘There are various other narrations that support this, from them is the following.’

2. Sayyidatuna Aaisha (Radhiallaahu Anha) reports that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) used to perform 3 Rakaats of Witr and he never used to make salaam except in the last Rakaat.’ (Ibid)

3. Imaam Nasaaie (RA) has recorded (the following) on the authority of Sayyiduna Ubayy ibn Ka’ab (Radhiallaahu Anhu) that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) used to recite Surah Sabbihisma rabbikal a’alaa in the first Rakaat of Witr, Surah al-Kaafiroon in the 2nd Rakaat and Surah, Qul huwallaahu Ahad in the third and that he (Rasulullah - Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) would not make salaam except in the last of those Rakaats. (Hafiz Iraaqi has classified this narration as Sahih - authentic) – refer Naylul Awtaar vol.1; also see Aathaarus-sunan pg.203; I’elaa-us-sunan vol.6 pg.42

4. Thaabit al-Bunaani (Radhiallaahu Anhu), the famous student of Sayyiduna Anas (Radhiallaahu Anhu) says that Sayyiduna Anas (Radhiallaahu Anhu) lead us in the Witr Salaat he performed 3 Rakaats and he did not make salaam till the last Rakaat. (Tahawi vol.1 pg.206 – Hafiz ibn Hajar (RA) has classified the narration as Sahih (authentic) – see al-Diraayah; I’elaa-us-sunan vol.6 pg.44

5. Sayyiduna Abu-Zinaad (ra) – a Taabi’ee – says that I found most of the Fuqahaa and the people of knowledge saying that the Witr is 3 Rakaats with only one salaam at the end.’ (Tahaawi vol.1 pg.207). Muhaddith Nimawi has classified this narration as Hasan (sound); see Aathaarus-sunan pg.204

6. Abu Zinaad (ra) also stated that Khalifah Umar ibn Abdul-Aziz (RA) had established through the verdicts of the Fuqahaa, that Witr Salaat is 3 Rakaats, with no salaam except in the last Rakaat.’ (Tahaawi vol.1 pg.207 – Muhaddith Nimawi has declared this narration as Sahih (authentic) – see Aathaarus-sunan pg.204)

7. Sayyiduna Umar ibn al-Khattaab (Radhiallaahu Anhu) is also reported to have performed 3 Rakaats Witr with one salaam only. (Mustadrak al-Haakim vol.1 pg.304; Tahaawi vol.1 pg.205-206)
All the above authentic narrations have proven without a shadow of doubt that the Witr Salaat should be 3 Rakaats with no salaam in between. Narrations 5 and 6 have proven this to be the practice of majority of the Fuqahaa (theologians) during the era of the Taabi’een as well. From among the Sahaaba, this is reported to be the practice of Sayyiduna Umar ibn al-Khattaab, Sayyiduna Ali ibn Abi Talib, Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Mas’ood, Sayyiduna Ubayy ibn Ka’ab, Sayyiduna Zayd ibn Thaabit, Sayyiduna Anas ibn Maalik and Sayyiduna Abu Umaamah (Radhiallaahu Anhum). (refer al-Tamheed of ibn Abdul-Barr vol.4 pg.174)

The following narrations prove that one should definitely sit in Tashahhud after 2 Rakaats and thereafter stand up for the third:

1. Sayyidatuna Aaisha (Radhiallaahu Anha) reports from Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) – as part of a lengthy Hadith – that he also said, ‘After every two Rakaats, there is ‘Attahiyyaat’.’ (Sahih Muslim). This Hadith is general and includes all salawaat as well as the Witr. (I’elaa-us-sunan vol.6 pg.51)

2. Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Mas’ood (Radhiallaahu Anhu) is reported to have said, ‘Witr is 3 Rakaats like the Witr of the day, i.e. the Salaat of Maghrib.’ (Tahaawi vol.1 pg.206). Muhaddith Nimawi (RA) has declared this narration as Sahih (authentic). (Aathaarus-sunan pg.204). This narration also proves that just as one sits after the first 2 Rakaats in Maghrib Salaat, similarly, one should do so in the Witr Salaat. (I’elaa-us-sunan vol.6 pg.43-44)

3. Abul-Aaliyah (Radhiallaahu Anhu) – a Taabi’ee – states that the companions of Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) have taught us that the Witr is just like Maghrib Salaat. The only difference is that we recite Qiraat in Witr, and not in Maghrib, i.e. in the third Rakaat. (Tahaawi vol.1 pg.206). Muhaddith Nimawi (RA) has declared it Sahih (authentic)
This is a clear proof for the Hanafi Madhab in that the Maghrib Salaat and Witr will be identical in all aspects, except the Qiraat in the third Rakaat. Hence, the Tashahhud in the second Rakaat is also backed / supported by this narration.

Now, as for the narrations quoted by the writer in that article, one should first understand that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) always encouraged that one should perform some Nafl Salaat before the Witr Salaat and that the Witr should not be the only Salaat performed after Esha. This was also the constant practice of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). Hafiz ibn Abdul-Barr Maaliki (RA) states that Witr according to them is only after some other Salaat that precedes it.’ (al-Tamheed vol.4 pg.177)
It is precisely for this reason that in some narrations – as quoted by the writer – there is mention of 5 Rakaats of Witr and 7 Rakaats as well which in actual fact refers to what we have just mentioned, i.e. from the 5 or 7 Rakaats, the last 3 are actually the Witr and the remaining 2 or 4 would be the Nafl that was supposed to precede it.
The same answer will apply to the first narration that, ‘Don’t pray 3 Rakaats Witr, pray five Witr or seven Rakaats Witr, but don’t make similarity to Maghrib’.
The reason for preventing the Witr from being like Maghrib Salaat is obvious, and that is because there is no Nafl Salaat that precedes it. (see al-Nukatu Tareefah of Allaamah al-Kawthari pg.186)
As for the narration of Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) that mentions that one should make salaam after 2 Rakaats and thereafter perform 1 Rakaats only, this practice is further weakened by a narration of Mustadrak al-Haakim wherein Hasan al-Basri (RA) is reported to have been asked about this narration. It was said to him, ‘Verily, Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) used to make salaam after the 2 Rakaats of Witr?’ He replied, ‘(His father) Sayyiduna Umar al-Khattaab (Radhiallaahu Anhu) was more knowledgeable than him and he would (not make salaam and) stand up for the third Rakaat.’ (Mustadrak vol.1 pg.304)
This is besides the fact that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) is reported to have prohibited from performing one Rakaat only. (refer al-Tamheed vol.4 pg.177; al-Nukatu Tareefah pgs.182-183)
Lastly, I’m sure that the above information is more than enough to eradicate any sort of doubt concerning the Hanafi viewpoint on this issue.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Ml. Muhammad ibn Moulana Haroon Abassommar
FACULTY OF SPECIALTY IN HADITH SCIENCES
CHECKED AND APPROVED: Mufti Ebrahim Desai (Fatwa Department)

[Jorcelirl]

Ask the hanbalis for the other two questions

[smifatv]

Ask the hanbalis for the other two questions

okay Jazak Allah.can any hanbali answer the rest please?

[smifatv]

ok im serious now. i need to know how hanbalis do sajda sahw asap...i searched the Internet. there doesnt seem to be a consistent method. can someone please mention any authentic hanbali sources?Jazak Allah

[evennyNiz]

Assalamu alaykum

you can do it 2 ways before the salam or after the salam
If he makes the prostration before the salam he makes the salam right after completing the tashahud. If he brings the prostration after the salam It is then obligatory to make the final tashahud and then the salam. zad al mustaqni.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/19707573/Zad-al-Mustaqni

[smifatv]

Assalamu alaykum

you can do it 2 ways before the salam or after the salam
If he makes the prostration before the salam he makes the salam right after completing the tashahud. If he brings the prostration after the salam It is then obligatory to make the final tashahud and then the salam. zad al mustaqni.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/19707573/Zad-al-Mustaqni

its not clear what they are trying to say.
can you confirm two things to me?
- if sahw is done before taslim, i say tashahud, do one salam (or two?)and prostrate twice, then i recite durood and dua and offer taslim?
- if sahw is done after taslim then you just do two sajdah of sahw and then taslim again?

this is very confusing

[evennyNiz]

its not clear what they are trying to say.
can you confirm two things to me?
- if sahw is done before taslim, i say tashahud, do one salam (or two?)and prostrate twice, then i recite durood and dua and offer taslim?
- if sahw is done after taslim then you just do two sajdah of sahw and then taslim again?

this is very confusing

Assalamu alaykum

if sawh is done before taslim, you do 2 prostrations (you say subhana rabiyal a'la atleast once in sujood and rabigh firli atleast once inbetween sajdas) then tashahud then 2 taslim to finish salah.


if sahw after taslim (one taslim to the right) you do 2 prostrations (you say subhana rabiyal a'la atleast once in sujood and rabigh firli atleast once inbetween sajdas) then tashahud then 2 taslim to finish salah.

[smifatv]

Assalamu alaykum

if sawh is done before taslim, you do 2 prostrations (you say subhana rabiyal a'la atleast once in sujood and rabigh firli atleast once inbetween sajdas) then tashahud then 2 taslim to finish salah.
^^ This method is the same as the hanafis right?bear with me once more please: when i sit, i say tashahud, then two prostrations of sahw, then tashahud again, then durood , dua and then taslim?

if sahw after taslim you do 2 prostrations (you say subhana rabiyal a'la atleast once in sujood and rabigh firli atleast once inbetween sajdas) then tashahud then 2 taslim to finish salah.

chek bold part kindly

[evennyNiz]

Assalamu alaykum

your final sitting in last rakah will be like this

tashahud (wajib)
durood (wajib)
dua
taslim one to the right
then one sajda
then sitting in between
then sajda
then tashahud
then 2 taslim right then left

[evennyNiz]

Assalamu alaykum

another way of saja sahw

Assalamu alaykum

your final sitting in last rakah will be like this

tashahud (wajib)
durood (wajib)
dua
then one sajda
then sitting in between
then sajda
then tashahud
then 2 taslim right then left

[smifatv]

Assalamu alaykum

another way of saja sahw

Assalamu alaykum

your final sitting in last rakah will be like this

tashahud (wajib)
durood (wajib)
dua
then one sajda
then sitting in between
then sajda
then tashahud
then 2 taslim right then left

ok Jazak Allah. so the difference in these two methods of sahw before taslim is the saying salam to the right before final tashahud.

i just have two more questions:
-on what criterea do you decide when to do sahw before taslim and when to do after taslim?
- the book you mentioned, describes a rather strange way of doing sahw after taslim of two rakah prayer. is this authentic?ive never seen a hadith describing it

[evennyNiz]

ok Jazak Allah. so the difference in these two methods of sahw before taslim is the saying salam to the right before final tashahud.

i just have two more questions:
-on what criterea do you decide when to do sahw before taslim and when to do after taslim?
- the book you mentioned, describes a rather strange way of doing sahw after taslim of two rakah prayer. is this authentic?ive never seen a hadith describing it

it is upto you if you want to do it before taslim or after.

which part do you find strange?

[smifatv]

it is upto you if you want to do it before taslim or after.

which part do you find strange?

The last three lines of page 68

[evennyNiz]

The last three lines of page 68

If he brings the prostration after the salam he sits. When the prayer is two rak`ah he sits with his left foot spread below while raising his right; otherwise he sits with his left foot under his right shin and his right foot raised. It is then obligatory to make the final tashahud and then the salam.

Narrated Muhammad bin 'Amr bin 'Ata':

I was sitting with some of the companions of Allah's Apostle and we were discussing about the way of praying of the Prophet. Abu Humaid As-Saidi said, "I remember the prayer of Allah's Apostle better than any one of you. I saw him raising both his hands up to the level of the shoulders on saying the Takbir; and on bowing he placed his hands on both knees and bent his back straight, then he stood up straight from bowing till all the vertebrate took their normal positions. In prostrations, he placed both his hands on the ground with the forearms away from the ground and away from his body, and his toes were facing the Qibla. On sitting In the second Rak'a he sat on his left foot and propped up the right one; and in the last Rak'a he pushed his left foot forward and kept the other foot propped up and sat over the buttocks "
Bukhari

[smifatv]

Jazak Allah khair man.
do you know about the dua in the Hanbali witr?as in , in the single rakat of witr you recite surah fatihah, another surah, then raise your hands to say takbir, then raise your hands for supplication, recite qunut...then what?how do you do raf yadein after qunut?