[grubnismarl]

the famous incident in Rawalpindi, narrated as follows:

It is narrated in Dharb-i-Shamshir that once in Salar Gah, Rawalpindi, an argument started between Molwi Bahadarudin [imam of local masjid] and Muhammad Ashraf Khan regarding the takfir of Ulama of Deoband. This argument led to a debate and both sides gathered on the fixed date for the debate. Right before the debate, elders of the town suggested that instead of debating both sides should accept Pir Mahr Ali Shah as the judge. Both sides agreed to this and went to Pir Mahr Ali Shah and presented the situation as follow,

Ashraf Khan says that if any imam of masjid doesn't consider these five individuals:

1.Mawlana Shah Ismail Shahid
2.Mawlana Qasim Nanotwi
3.Mawlana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi
4.Mawlana Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri
5.Mawlana Ashraf Ali Thanwi
to be kafir, salah is not valid behind him.

Pir Mahr Ali Shah was angered by this statement and said:

"If these five mashaikh are not Muslim then there is no Muslim in the World and whoever does their takfir, salah is not valid behind him."

This was also written by Mufti Qari Ghulam Muhammad of Golra Sharif."

[Ulama-i-Ahl al-Sunnah, p.29]



Zia-Ul-Ummar Pir Karam Shah Said Things Similar To Pir Mehr Ali Shah

[DumbNelmcrece]

1.Mawlana Shah Ismail Shahid

Shaah Isma'eel Delhwi he is the author of Taqwiyatul Eemaan and Yak Rozi

He was not a Deobandi (there was no Daar ul uloom Deoband in his time). He was a preacher of Tawheed, and Barailwi maulwis make takfeer of him. So according to Mehr Ali Shah all those Barailwi maulwis who make takfeer of him, it is not allowed to pray behind them.

[Meowmeowz]

[Ulama-i-Ahl al-Sunnah, p.29]

salam

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post361710

[grubnismarl]

[Ayyfjicg]

"If these five mashaikh are not Muslim then there is no Muslim in the World and whoever does their takfir, salah is not valid behind him."

but didnt raza khan do takfir on some of them? so what does that make him

[TeksPaisimi]

the famous incident in Rawalpindi, narrated as follows:

It is narrated in Dharb-i-Shamshir that once in Salar Gah, Rawalpindi, an argument started between Molwi Bahadarudin [imam of local masjid] and Muhammad Ashraf Khan regarding the takfir of Ulama of Deoband. This argument led to a debate and both sides gathered on the fixed date for the debate. Right before the debate, elders of the town suggested that instead of debating both sides should accept Pir Mahr Ali Shah as the judge. Both sides agreed to this and went to Pir Mahr Ali Shah and presented the situation as follow,

Ashraf Khan says that if any imam of masjid doesn't consider these five individuals:

1.Mawlana Shah Ismail Shahid
2.Mawlana Qasim Nanotwi
3.Mawlana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi
4.Mawlana Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri
5.Mawlana Ashraf Ali Thanwi
to be kafir, salah is not valid behind him.

Pir Mahr Ali Shah was angered by this statement and said:

"If these five mashaikh are not Muslim then there is no Muslim in the World and whoever does their takfir, salah is not valid behind him."

This was also written by Mufti Qari Ghulam Muhammad of Golra Sharif."

[Ulama-i-Ahl al-Sunnah, p.29]



Zia-Ul-Ummar Pir Karam Shah Said Things Similar To Pir Mehr Ali Shah

Does aby brother hve the original urdu scan of the above? Also who is the above book written by?

[Preegovesem]

In these times. There is takfir business going on between barelvi ulema . Some will consider pir mehr saab misguided/kaafir for these views.

[DumbNelmcrece]

In these times. There is takfir business going on between barelvi ulema . Some will consider pir mehr saab misguided/kaafir for these views.

Barelwis are quite funny. Just recently there was a munazara between two barelwi maulwis, Peer Abdul Qadir Jilani a.k.a "Muffakir-i-Islaam" and Abid Jalali, a student of Irfaan Shaah over the issue of Haq Chaar Yaar vs Haq Sab Yaar!!

And the funny thing is that in this debate both sides were shouting and swearing at each other.

Barelwism is obviously intellectually bankrupt

[Preegovesem]

i asked one friend of mine, why don't you invite so and so scholar ( he resides in london) to your masjid?
He replied we don't have the money LOL. and his name has been mentioned above

[VFOVkZBj]

Would someone tell me that why all this "Takfeer business" started when the British took over the subcontinent? The Hanafis were living peacefully before that.

[trubreTab]

Would someone tell me that why all this "Takfeer business" started when the British took over the subcontinent? The Hanafis were living peacefully before that.

Because the Queen distributed a lot of money

[TeLMgNva]

"If these five mashaikh are not Muslim then there is no Muslim in the World and whoever does their takfir, salah is not valid behind him."

Well, Pir Mehr Ali's grandson doesn't seem to be very fond of Shah Ismail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qWtL08FCbU

[F1grandprix]

Barelwis are quite funny. Just recently there was a munazara between two barelwi maulwis, Peer Abdul Qadir Jilani a.k.a "Muffakir-i-Islaam" and Abid Jalali, a student of Irfaan Shaah over the issue of Haq Chaar Yaar vs Haq Sab Yaar!!

And the funny thing is that in this debate both sides were shouting and swearing at each other.

Barelwism is obviously intellectually bankrupt

What are these ?

[eXC3Kvnn]

What are these ?

Haq Char Yar are the first four Khulafa ; no idea about Haq Sab Yar, but on the basis of the context it may have something to do with the Ahl al-Bayt..?

[Jadldqys]

Well, Pir Mehr Ali's grandson doesn't seem to be very fond of Shah Ismail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qWtL08FCbU

Assalam o 'alaykum,

He is a Rafidhi. He abused Sayyiduna Amir Mu'awiyyah (may Allah be pleased with him). Janab Zaffar Iqbal penned a detailed refutation of Pir Nasir al-Din. Mawlana Salimullah Khan has written a preface to this book.

http://www.4shared.com/document/wDRw...b_Zaffar_.html

[Heliosprime]

but didnt raza khan do takfir on some of them? so what does that make him

that makes him a moron.