[aAaBecker]

I have gone through the various literature regarding child vaccination and decided not to vaccinate any of my children. Alhamdulillah, they are healthier than children who have got vaccination. Does anyone have any literature on this subject?

The local Child Care worker was here in the morning asking me reasons for not vaccinating. I did tell her but she made a fuss. It happened a few years ago. One of the ladies at Child Care came and had a big argument with me, but left not knowing what to do.

Any literature, experiences will be appreciated

[Adwetyren]

i also did not vaccinate my children. alhamdlillah they are also more healthy than most other children.

my doctor also tried his best to make me vaccinate my kids.

vaccination messes with a persons immune system right? if thats teh case then why would you want to do that when a childs immune system is still developing. let it develope naturally like Allah created it to.

[Kamendoriks]

I have gone through the various literature regarding child vaccination and decided not to vaccinate any of my children. Alhamdulillah, they are healthier than children who have got vaccination. Does anyone have any literature on this subject?

The local Child Care worker was here in the morning asking me reasons for not vaccinating. I did tell her but she made a fuss. It happened a few years ago. One of the ladies at Child Care came and had a big argument with me, but left not knowing what to do.

Any literature, experiences will be appreciated

I thought child vaccination was a good thing. Is there anything prohibiting it? I have not heard any.

[aAaBecker]

I thought child vaccination was a good thing. Is there anything prohibiting it? I have not heard any.

i also did not vaccinate my children. alhamdlillah they are also more healthy than most other children.

my doctor also tried his best to make me vaccinate my kids.

vaccination messes with a persons immune system right? if thats teh case then why would you want to do that when a childs immune system is still developing. let it develope naturally like Allah created it to.
Yes, its mainly because of the ingredients in the vaccine:
http://westwoodchiropractor.com/images/vaccine.jpg

I think some Ulama in South Africa came out with some literature on it

[23InetrySypekek]

Yes, its mainly because of the ingredients in the vaccine:
http://westwoodchiropractor.com/images/vaccine.jpg

I think some Ulama in South Africa came out with some literature on it

as Salamu alaikum,

Vaccinations are known to cause autism (due to mercury in the vaccine), and at the very least adhd/a.d.d.

I heard that some vaccinations are now made without mercury but there still are reports of s.i.d or sudden infant death caused by vaccinations. There is a lot of info about it on the net.

[Kamendoriks]

I was vaccinated, Alhamdulillah i have not had any side effects.

Vaccination like any medicine has its side effects. But it effects very very minute number of recipients. So discarding vaccination completely would be a bit overreacting I guess.

Sunan Abu-Dawud. 3846
Narrated Usamah ibn Sharik: I came to the Prophet (saw) and his Companions were sitting as if they had birds on their heads. I saluted and sat down. The desert Arabs then came from here and there.
They asked: Apostle of Allah, should we make use of medical treatment?
He(saw) replied: Make use of medical treatment, for Allah has not made a disease without appointing a remedy for it, with the exception of one disease, namely old age.

[Adwetyren]

I was vaccinated, Alhamdulillah i have not had any side effects.

My grandparents were never vaccinated. Alhamdolillah they did not have any side effects. In fact they all lived to a very old age and were mashallah very healthy in their middle age and beyond. I still have a grandmother in india who is very old but more healthier then a lot of people younger than her.

[TeveVikep]

My grandparents were never vaccinated. Alhamdolillah they did not have any side effects. In fact they all lived to a very old age and were mashallah very healthy in their middle age and beyond. I still have a grandmother in india who is very old but more healthier then a lot of people younger than her.

my father wasn't vaccinated and on a trip abroad developed shingles due to not being vaccinated. near enough killed him....not good.

FYI they'll make it illegal in the UK not to vaccine which opens up a whole can of worms. state vs parent in deciding what's best for a child.

[Kamendoriks]

My grandparents were never vaccinated. Alhamdolillah they did not have any side effects. In fact they all lived to a very old age and were mashallah very healthy in their middle age and beyond. I still have a grandmother in india who is very old but more healthier then a lot of people younger than her.

Yes ofcourse, All these thousand years people lived without modern medicine. Actually they had longer life spans too. All I am suggesting if there is an option for treatment one should try to adopt it. But having in mind Allah (swt) is the ultimate Healer.

[Kamendoriks]

Tone down a bit brother. That comment is unnecessary.

[Adwetyren]

Tone down a bit brother. That comment is unnecessary.

didnt realise the comment would be taken any way but the right way!

i meant that i wrote about 4 healthy grandparents who have never been vaccinated and in comparison he wrote about his father who fell ill and had not been vaccinated. maybe a study should be done about how many of those who are not vaccinated actually get ill with a disease that would have been stopped by getting vaccinated.

[TeveVikep]

didnt realise the comment would be taken any way but the right way!

i meant that i wrote about 4 healthy grandparents who have never been vaccinated and in comparison he wrote about his father who fell ill and had not been vaccinated. maybe a study should be done about how many of those who are not vaccinated actually get ill with a disease that would have been stopped by getting vaccinated.

you should still delete it or it could get a ban due to being taken by some as a crude and crass comment.

leave it to you

[Kamendoriks]

didnt realise the comment would be taken any way but the right way!

i meant that i wrote about 4 healthy grandparents who have never been vaccinated and in comparison he wrote about his father who fell ill and had not been vaccinated. maybe a study should be done about how many of those who are not vaccinated actually get ill with a disease that would have been stopped by getting vaccinated.

posts on the internet are misunderstood easily, one might not recognize the humor in comments most of the times. Apologies bro.

About vaccination, Well small pox have been eradicated thanks to vaccination.

Vaccination is like shooting blind folded, But it has its advantages, when it occasionally hits the target.

For example: If 1000 children are vaccinated for polio. Of that maybe just 2 of them were exposed to polio in their lifetime. But in the end that 2 lives thats being saved from lifelong handicap.

[Adwetyren]

you should still delete it or it could get a ban due to being taken by some as a crude and crass comment.

leave it to you

i have deleted it as it seems you were offended by the comment. i dont see how it was offensive.

the point i was trying to make is that you cannot take isolated cases of illnesses in those who have not been vaccinated as proof in support of vaccines. there may be considerably more people who have never contracted illnesses such as smallpox, shingles, measles etc eventhough they have not been vaccinated.

[Adwetyren]

I have many uncles and aunties who were born and raised in india and many who still live in india (in a small village called thala but thats by the by!). Non of them have ever had a vaccine and as far as i know, not one of them have had a serious illness that could have been prevented by a vaccine.

[Kamendoriks]

I have many uncles and aunties who were born and raised in india and many who still live in india (in a small village called thala but thats by the by!). Non of them have ever had a vaccine and as far as i know, not one of them have had a serious illness that could have been prevented by a vaccine.

Take a look at my post above. The group in perspective is not the ones who did well even without vaccination. But focus on the group that was actually saved by them.

I will give you the example once again. If 1000 children are receiving Polio vaccination and 2 of them were exposed to polio virus later in life. Here whats important is the 2 children that were saved due to the vaccination, not the rest 998 who wasnt effected.

So if 2 out of every 1000 is benefited with vaccination. Imagine how many lives will be saved while vaccinating millions of children. Do the math.

[Adwetyren]

Take a look at my post above. The group in perspective is not the ones who did well even without vaccination. But focus on the group that was actually saved by them.

I will give you the example once again. If 1000 children are receiving Polio vaccination and 2 of them were exposed to polio virus later in life. Here whats important is the 2 children that were saved due to the vaccination, not the rest 998 who wasnt effected.

So if 2 out of every 1000 is benefited with vaccination. Imagine how many lives will be saved while vaccinating millions of children. Do the math.

i would rather discuss facts and not conjecture.

from those who have not been vaccinated, how many catch illnesses that could have been prevented by vaccinations?

from those who have been vaccinated, how many fall ill as a consequence of the vaccination?

if there are any links to any websites that you may know of then please post them.

[TeveVikep]

i would rather discuss facts and not conjecture.

from those who have not been vaccinated, how many catch illnesses that could have been prevented by vaccinations?

from those who have been vaccinated, how many fall ill as a consequence of the vaccination?

if there are any links to any websites that you may know of then please post them.

rather than just dismissing others' viewpoints, conclude it as such, thus far:

from the posts, I (shak or whatever your nickname is) know that vaccines don't necessarily protect against viruses such as smallpox etc because my grandads lived a fit and healthy lifestyle.

by the same token one poster provides an instance of not being vaccinated but falling ill due to possible exposure to small pox virus as determined by his doctors.

so, the chance my (shak) granddad's not falling ill could be due to the fact they weren't exposed to any virus such as small pox etc throughout their life solely due to the rahmah of Allah.

however, rather than being fully dismissive of vaccinations I (shak) keep an open mind that vaccines without harmful additives might, just might be beneficial.

keep an open mind.....(by the way i agree with your point but i'm just pointing out the other side of the coin with MY example)

[Kamendoriks]

i would rather discuss facts and not conjecture.

Fair enough. Lets discuss facts.

I will not quote from any random website or unreliable survey, so that ambiguity can be avoided. I will be quoting only from recognized Standard Text books of Medicine. For your information, topics dealing with vaccination comes under the subject 'Social and Preventive Medicine' also known as 'Community Medicine' . And the following are Quotes from the one of the Most Recognized Text book of Community Medicine in Indian subcontinent written by Dr. K. Park.

I will be posting the reply in a few minutes.

[Kamendoriks]

POLIO:

Lets discuss about a single communicable disease for simplicity sake. Polio.


In pre-vaccination era, polio was found in all countries of the world. The extensive use of polio vaccines since 1954 eliminated the disease in developed countries. . Implementation of eradication strategies has reduced the number of polio endemic countries from more than 125 in 1988 to 4 in Nov, 2006. These countries are India, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Nigeria. Ten other countries have reported cases of imported virus.
[Pg No.166, Park's Textbook of Social and Preventive Medicine 19th Edition]
Well 125 countries with polio reduced to 4 countries with the introduction of Polio vaccine. Well if we are talking about numbers that was saved by a Polio vaccination, it will be Billions.


Edit:
I wanted to add a point about the 'numbers' that have side effects from polio vaccination. OPV (oral polio vaccination) is the vaccination recommending by WHO. Lets see what is the 'numbers' that have complications.

OPV is remarkably free from complications.
The WHO has estimated the risk of vaccine-associated paralysis to be about 1 case per million vaccinees, and the risk of a close contact of a vaccinee devoloping paralytic polio, about 1 case per 5 million doses of vaccine.
[Pg No.170, Park's Textbook of Social and Preventive Medicine 19th Edition]

Bottomline:
There is a 1 in a million chances of a side effect from vaccination. But not being vaccinated has multiple times the risk of getting the disease. Eradication polio from All the countries in the world except 4 is itself proof of its benefit.

The Prophet has adviced us : "Make use of medical treatment, for Allah has not made a disease without appointing a remedy for it, with the exception of one disease, namely old age." Sunan Abu-Dawud. 3846 . But its your personal choice to vaccinate or not.

May Allah save us all from disease. Ameen.