[9mm_fan]

Salam alikum,
I would like to create my oipinion on women leadership in islam, specially leadership at work and then political leadership and state leadership. I have read a lot about subject, for example story of Benazir Bhuto, and some islamic view on this subject also the hadith where is mentioned that no state under woman leadership will prosper.
I would appreciate any idea, I hope it will be interesting for many to make more clear picture about this woman role beside other her roles.

[9mm_fan]

Salam,

Nobody interested in subject?

[hojutok]

salam

no id on't think anyone is that interested, however sister i might add that the your making/question you're asking in the first post is not clear.

[Seilehogshell]

Salam alikum,
I would like to create my oipinion on women leadership in islam, specially leadership at work and then political leadership and state leadership. I have read a lot about subject, for example story of Benazir Bhuto, and some islamic view on this subject also the hadith where is mentioned that no state under woman leadership will prosper.
I would appreciate any idea, I hope it will be interesting for many to make more clear picture about this woman role beside other her roles.

It is not permissible, khalaas. The hadith you have read sums it up quite nicely. Lead your family to the path of siratul mustakeem, the lap of the mother is the first madressah of a child. If every home is in order, with correct islamic teachings there will be no need for any women to lead any nation.

[TNgqZhLR]

Salam,

Nobody interested in subject?

Bismillahi
Walaikum assalam
I think as the leadership is not the area of women I didn't show much interest to discuss. If it is related to homely subjects, I think many women would show interest. I don't know about men though. Allahu alam.

[9mm_fan]

Salam alikum,
I try to be more specific - does islam encourage in a certain way leadership of women?
I mean we all are given gifts from God which we are obliged to develop. Are there some barriers for woman to be leader?

May be this is better formulation....

[9mm_fan]

It is not permissible, khalaas. The hadith you have read sums it up quite nicely. Lead your family to the path of siratul mustakeem, the lap of the mother is the first madressah of a child. If every home is in order, with correct islamic teachings there will be no need for any women to lead any nation.

Salam thank you,
is there some hadith saying that woman can not make leadership outside family, for now I would skip state leadership.
I consider family first always, that is not a problem. There is question acceptance of women leaders - when that could be possible and why not.

[Seilehogshell]

Salam alikum,
I try to be more specific - does islam encourage in a certain way leadership of women?
I mean we all are given gifts from God which we are obliged to develop. Are there some barriers for woman to be leader?

May be this is better formulation....

No Islam does not encourage leadership by women.
http://www.beautifulislam.net/women/women_leaders.htm
http://www.beautifulislam.net/women/...ship_islam.htm

[9mm_fan]

Bismillahi
Walaikum assalam
I think as the leadership is not the area of women I didn't show much interest to discuss. If it is related to homely subjects, I think many women would show interest. I don't know about men though. Allahu alam.

Salam alikum,

OK thank you
I am not in SISTER section because I am new and have not access allowed yet - may be I can discuss there later.

I spoke to some other brothers they do not have problem with women leadership, there is nothing mentioned in hadith that woman must make directly all home works and that men can not support woman in leadership and still stay in position according to islam. Otherwise I would think that woman can not make her own decisions.

[FelicitaJ]

Salam alikum,

OK thank you
I am not in SISTER section because I am new and have not access allowed yet - may be I can discuss there later.

you will get the same answer there which is the answer from the quran and hadith.....women are not allowed to be leaders.

[Seilehogshell]

Salam alikum,

OK thank you
I am not in SISTER section because I am new and have not access allowed yet - may be I can discuss there later.

I spoke to some other brothers they do not have problem with women leadership, there is nothing mentioned in hadith that woman must make directly all home works and that men can not support woman in leadership and still stay in position according to islam. Otherwise I would think that woman can not make her own decisions.

Please read links provided below.

[9mm_fan]

you will get the same answer there which is the answer from the quran and hadith.....women are not allowed to be leaders.

Salam alikum,
Ok thank you, may be I will discuss just getting more overview, so far I havent seen the hadith or verses forbidding this role.
Read may articles about leadership in details, and there are examples when muslim women are leaders. Really , one day I woul like to have clearer opinion about it.

[9mm_fan]

Please read links provided below.

Yes, I started to read...... takes me some time thinking.

[Seilehogshell]

Yes, I started to read...... takes me some time thinking.

Cool take your time, Allah Swt will Insha Allah open your mind as well as your understanding and mine as well. Ameen.

[Sthjrderfida]

Anytime my female supervisor at work tells me what to do, I just laugh in her face! "Women can't lead, astaghfirallah!"

Actually, I've only been in my job for 1 day, and my boss is a male... As it should be! Am I right fellas? AM I RIGHT? :fistbump:

Silliness aside, Dr. Umar Faruq Abd-Allah was of an entirely different opinion about that hadith (that is, that it applied to a specific situation and not all situation) but I got the idea that he was very much in the minority with that interpretation. I can't post the quote cause it's somewhere deep in his "Famous Women in Islam" CD set.

[9mm_fan]

Anytime my female supervisor at work tells me what to do, I just laugh in her face! "Women can't lead, astaghfirallah!"

Actually, I've only been in my job for 1 day, and my boss is a male... As it should be! Am I right fellas? AM I RIGHT? :fistbump:

Silliness aside, Dr. Umar Faruq Abd-Allah was of an entirely different opinion about that hadith (that is, that it applied to a specific situation and not all situation) but I got the idea that he was very much in the minority with that interpretation. I can't post the quote cause it's somewhere deep in his "Famous Women in Islam" CD set.

Why do you do so? It is misunderstood all this subject in my opinion. No one in management and in politics decides himself about important things - it is always more people involved, always person is part of system - male or female. Of course there are personal decisions which everyone makes for him or her self. I really dont understand - if husband is OK with his wife being leader in business for example or in public life - why it is such a problem. It can be considered that she get big confidence in theri relationship, it can be considered they know and honor each other, it can also be considered that he does not loose any superiority above her. I really am not persuaded - no seeing any prohibition to be leader. (except that QUESTIONED hadith about state being led by woman......).
There is beautiful new mosque of Sheikh Zayed in Abu Dhabi - the project manager was woman.

Salam alikum

[angelxmagic]

Assalamu alaykum

There is beautiful new mosque of Sheikh Zayed in Abu Dhabi - the project manager was woman. How does it matter. Was it not possible by men?

Men are good cooks too. So shall we switch responsibilities.

[9mm_fan]

Assalamu alaykum



How does it matter. Was it not possible by men?

Men are good cooks too. So shall we switch responsibilities.

Ah, men are very good cooks, often better than women!
There is nowhere written that woman must cook at home, even we like very much this activity - even not all of us. I can ensure you I realize my responsibility toward my family, and our natural tendences to be more servis minded and helpfull, but I dont understand about resistance in society not accept the leadership.
The rope betweem man and woman is invisible. Only allah knows the best. We are not encouraged to take resposiblity of leadership as that is very difficult role, I would also use expression - we are discouraged - which I can very easily accept. But it is not forbiden.

[Seilehogshell]

Assalamu alaykum



How does it matter. Was it not possible by men?

Men are good cooks too. So shall we switch responsibilities.

So true, it is the western ideologies. I like to look at it like this, take a motor car as an example, we have and accelarator and a brake and a steering wheel. Can anyone say the one is more important than the other? the steering wheel superior to the brake and accelerator because it determines which way the car moves?? You got to have a few brain cells missing if you think the one is more important than the other, and better have some pretty comprehensive insurance before you decide to remove the brake pedal from your care. They have different roles thats about it, its not about superiority, just different roles. Now why the manufacturer made the steering a steering and the brake a brake, that only he knows...

[Seilehogshell]

Ah, men are very good cooks, often better than women!
There is nowhere written that woman must cook at home, even we like very much this activity - even not all of us. I can ensure you I realize my responsibility toward my family, and our natural tendences to be more servis minded and helpfull, but I dont understand about resistance in society not accept the leadership.
The rope betweem man and woman is invisible. Only allah knows the best. We are not encouraged to take resposiblity of leadership as that is very difficult role, I would also use expression - we are discouraged - which I can very easily accept. But it is not forbiden.

This has got nothing do with society, it is about islam. It is not permissible like I said earlier and it is mentioned in the links I gave you. I fear the day when women will demand to become Imams in masjids leading a male congregation. On that day there will only be one of us alive, a female imaam or me.