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Tableeghi Jamaat and Wahabis in Ahadith


Tablighi Jamaat and Wahabis in light of Ahadees

Note: Due to objections from Tablighi Jamaat and Wahabis that the Ahadees stated in this article were not found upon there research. We have posted below the Arabic Text and Ahadis number where possible.

The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) has Prophesied that many individuals and religious sects will cause dissension and mischief till the Day of Judgment. He has made a particular reference to the Wahhabi/Tableeghi Movement.

Hazrat Abu Huzaifa (Radiallhu Anhu) narrates a Hadith concerning the leaders of the mischief makers: "I swear by Allah that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) has not left out a single leader of Fitna from this day to the day of Qiyamah. Their followers would number 300 or more and further gave their names and that of their tribes." (Abu Dawood)

FIRST HADITH


Imam Bukhari (Radiallhu Anhu) quotes this Hadith from Abdullah ibn Umar (Radiallhu Anhu) that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) once prayed for Syria (Shaam) and Yemen. It is narrated that there were some people of Najd also present in the gathering and they requested the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) to make du'a for Najd also. The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) continued saying: "O! Allah, Shower Blessings on Shaam and Yemen," The people of Najd again requested the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) to offer prayers for Najd. The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: "It is a place of tremor and Fitna (Mischief) and the horn of Shaitaan will rise from there." (Bukhari Shareef, Vol. ii, PP. 1050)

It can be deduced from the above Hadith that Najd is neither blessed nor a good place but one of Fitna and Evil. Najd has been deprived of the prayers of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) and therefore Najd has the seal of misery and misfortune and hoping for any good from there is going against the Will of Allah.

The Arabic word used in the above Hadith is Qarnush Shaitaan, which normally means the horn of Shaitaan. But the 'Misbahul Lughaat', a dictionary printed in Deoband has the following meaning: "One who follows the advice of Shaitaan." (Misbahul Lughaat, pp/663). Thus we learn that a Najdi/Wahhabi group will emerge, as pointed out by Rasoolullah (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) and this group will follow the advice of Shaitaan (Shaitaan refuses to respect Prophets and Saints, remember his refusal to bow to Hazrat Adam (Alayhi Salaam) is mentioned in the Quran. It will create havoc in the Muslim world. We are now witnessing the emergence of the Wahhabis who, with the assistance of petrodollars, are sweeping the Muslim world and are bribing them into accepting Wahhabism as the official version of Islam. Wahhabism is a disease but so many are misled into believing that it is curing the Ummah of Shirk, Kufr and Bidah. It is being portrayed as a revivalist movement. This is against the Ahadith. Looking at the geographical position of Najd, it lies to the East of Medina. The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) pointed towards the East and said:
"There, that is the direction from where Fitna will emerge."

SECOND HADITH

Abdullah bin Umar (Radiallhu Anhu) narrates in Muslim Shareef: "The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) once emerged from the room of his wife, Hazrat Ayesha (Radiallahu Anha) and pointing towards Najd exclaimed:
'This is the center of Kufr from where the horn of Shaitaan will rise'."
(Muslim Shareef Vol. ii, PP. 1394)

THIRD HADITH
Allama Dahlan narrates an authentic Hadith in his book 'Addarus Sunniah', which he has quoted from Sihaah.


The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) is reported to have said: "There will rise a group of people in the East who will recite the Holy Quran, but alas, the Quran will not go beyond their throat. This group will keep rising till the Day of Judgment and they will eventually rise with Dajjal. Their main symbol will be to sit in groups (Halqa)."
(Addarus Sunniah, PP. 50)

It should be noted from the above Hadith, that, the center of Kufr and Shaitaan is situated to the East of Medina. You will also note that Najd lies to the East of Medina from where a group of so-called Muslims will recite the Holy Quran but it will not penetrate beyond their throat. They will invite the masses towards the Holy Quran and religion. Now, if you examine the situation carefully, you would observe without any fear of contradiction, that reference is made to no other Group besides the notorious Tableeghi Jamaat whose one end is in Delhi and the other is implanted in Najd (Riyadh).

CONFIRMATION BY MOLWI MASOOD AALAM NADWI
The above Nadwi writes in his well known book "Muhammad Ibne Abdul Wahab" - on the side commentary: "The Southern part of Najd has the famous town of Riyadh, the Capital of his (Wahhabi) headquarters in Dariya. Both these villages are in the valley called Waadi Hanifa (situated in Najd)." (PP. 16)

Allama Dahlan has quoted the following Ahadith from the Sihaah.

The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: "During the initial part of my Dawah in Mecca, I particularly invited the outside tribes who used to arrive during the Hajj season. From these tribes the most hostile and ugly reaction was from the Banu Hanifa tribe" (The same tribe in which Ibné Abdul Wahab was born. He founded Wahhabism which is begin followed by the Tableeghi Jamaat) (Addarus Sunniah, PP. 52)

He quotes a further Hadith, Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq (Radiallhu Anhu) reports that the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: "From the tribes that live in Waadi Hanifa, Fitna shall emerge till the final era. That valley shall be notorious for its fitna because of the rise of false leaders." (PP. 52)

Hazrat Imraan, the son of Hazrat Haseen (Radiallhu Anhu) reports:

that the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) disliked three tribes life long. (1) Banu Saqeef; (2) Banu Hanifa; (3) Banu Umayya. (Tirmizi Shareef)

FOURTH HADITH
It is reported in Mishkat from Hazrat Abu Said Khudri (Radiallhu Anhu) who narrates that:

"Once we were in the presence and company of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam). He was distributing booties (Spoils of War) when a person named Zul-Khawaisara, who was from the tribe of Bani Tamim addressed the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) "Oh Muhammad Be Just!" ". The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) replied: "A Great pity that you have doubts, if I am unjust then who will be just, you are a loser and a failure." Zul-Khawaisara's attitude infuriated Hazrat Umar (Radiallhu Anhu) and he pleaded with the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) to permit him to slay Zul-Khawaisara. The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) remarked: "Leave him, as his slaying will serve no good purpose, as he is not the only individual but there are a host of others like him and if you compare their prayers and fasting to that of yours, you yourself will feel ashamed. These are the people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, with all these apparent virtues they will leave the fold of Deen just like the arrow leaves the bow." (Miskhat Shareef, PP. 535)

FIFTH HADITH
The previous Hadith has also been narrated as follows: "A person with eyes protruding, with a long beard and head clean-shaven came to the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) and declared: 'O Muhammad! (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) fear Allah. "' The Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) replied: "If I disobey Allah, then who else will obey Him? I am obedient to Allah at all times and never disobedient. Allah has sent me as Amin(Honest for the entire world, but you don't accept me as an honest man?' A Sahabi (Companion) became infuriated and sought permission to remove him from the presence of the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam). The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) prevented the Sahabi from doing so After the person had left, the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: "From his progeny will rise a Group who will recite the Holy Quran but it will not go below their throats. They will leave the Deen just as an arrow leaves the bowstring. They will kill the Muslims but spar the idolaters. If I ever confronted these people I would slaughter them just as the people of Aad had been destroyed" (Mishkat Shareef, pp/535)

SIXTH HADITH
Shareekh Ibn Shihab (Radiallhu Anhu) also narrates a similar incident of a person who displayed disrespect towards the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam). He states the Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said "Nearing Qiyamah there will be a Group of people who will recite the Holy Quran but it will not go below their throats. They will leave the true Religion of Islam as fast as an arrow leaves the bow. They will be recognized by the shavings of their entire head and they will move in Groups and their last Group will emerge with Dajjal, when you meet them you will discover their nature and character, the worst of its kind." (Mishkat pp/309 - Prints may vary and pages may be different in other publications) The aforementioned Hadith are the words of a Great and Noble Prophet of Allah (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) who is the possessor of Unseen Knowledge, who knows the signs and the secrets of the future. All Praise is due to Allah, that we do not have to search far for this Group, as the Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) has mentioned the different signs of this notorious Group, so we are able to detect our enemies without difficulty.

Another sign mentioned in recognizing this particular Group is that they will be so punctual and devoted to their Salaat, that one will feel ashamed of ones own Salaat compared to theirs. It is obvious that these qualities are prevalent amongst the Tableegh Jamaat. For example, you will agree that there are thousands of individuals, nay, many millions of individuals that are performing Salaat for a period of over 40 to 50 years, an yet, they do not possess a sign on their forehead (sign of Sajda) whereas, very surprisingly, the devotees of the Tableeghi Jamaat get the mark of Sajda on their forehead within a few weeks! The reason for this is very clear, they deliberately press and rub their foreheads on the mussallah to obtain the much coveted mark. This is to display to the Muslims, their so-called piousness. An other sign of this Group is that they will consider all other persons as being inferior to them and even those of high standing-in society are looked down upon by them. The most glaring sign of recognizing these people is their constant attempts in degrading the Prophets and Aulia (Prophets and Saints) of Allah.

These signs are prevalent amongst the Tableeghi Jamaat. They look down upon all Sunni Muslims who are, without any doubt, true and devout Muslims. They openly challenge the Ulema and Imams. They engage in discussions and arguments on matter which they themselves do not understand and yet they have the audacity to degrade the status and the Glory of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam).

In the fifth Hadith it is mentioned that another sign of this notorious Group is that they will shed the blood of fellow Muslims and will have no dispute whatsoever, with the' idolaters. This glaring sign is also present in the present Tableeghi Jamaat. You have often witnessed or heard that in certain Masjid the Tableeghi Jamaat had a dispute or in a certain Masjid the Tableeghi Jamaat had come with sticks, chains, knives, etc. You have also noticed that when and wherever they fight it is always with the Muslims and not with the Kafirs and Mushriks (Polytheists). You may have also noticed that when or wherever they confront the Kafirs or Mushriks, which is seldom or never, they tug their tails between their legs and run. This is true in India, during Hindu Muslim Riots.

In the sixth Hadith it was mentioned that a peculiar sign of this Group will be the shaving of their head completely. This act is now reckoned to be its sign and emblem as such they advise their followers and Mureeds (Disciples) to also shave their heads and therefore you will notice that most of them are bald.

A STRANGE FACT
The Arabic word Thaleeq (Shaving) as used in the Ahadith must be taken into consideration. The common translation of the word Thaleeq is clean-shaving of the entire head. The Deoband scholars in Misbahul Lughat - page-148 give its meaning as 'to turn around and sit in a circle'. This translation fits like a glove with the Movement of the Tableeghi Jamaat, one translation is regarding them moving around and the other indicating their sitting in circles in Masjids and doing Kitab-reading as a splinter group detached from the other Musallies. They cut across the Imam and display a defying attitude. They never read the Quran. They love the Kitab written by Molvi Zakariya. They will never participate in Khatamul Quran organized in Mosques on certain nights or auspicious nights. If the Imam is delivering Tafseerul Quran, or Darse Hadith or fiqah lessons or even Zikrullah, these people never take part, as if they are super Muslims and everybody else is 3rd grade! These Tableeghis are programmed internationally to behave in this manner. It is not peculiar to any one country. This is the global strategy to destabilize the Muslims The anti-Muslim West has realized that they cannot break the Muslims from outside. They will have to use a group of hypocrites, who will use Western financial resources, and creep into Muslim society, systematically dismantling them and fragmenting them. Remember, all this is done in the name of establishing the Sunnah and "The Mubarak Tareeqa" of our Beloved Rasoolullah(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam), as claimed by them!

Hazrat Abu Saeed Khudri (Radiallhu Anhu) and Hazrat Anas (Radiallhu Anhu) report that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) stated: "My Ummat is destined to differ and be divided. So a group will arise whose talks will sound very good but their character will be misleading. They will read the Quran but it will not descend below their throats (just oral reading). They will leave Deen just as an arrow pierces and goes right through the prey. They will not return to Islam. They are the worst of creation because of their nature and constitution. They will call the people towards the Quran and Deen whilst in reality they will have nothing to do with Islam. Whoever will confront them, he will be the most beloved servant of Allah. The Sahaba inquired: "Ya Rasoolullah, (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) what is their sign?" He replied: "Sitting in a Halqa (circle)."(Mishkat Shareef, pp/308)

SEVENTH HADITH
Hazrat Ali (Radiallhu Anhu) once narrated: "I swear by Allah that to fall from the sky to the Earth is very simple for me, but to utter one false word in reference to the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) is a very difficult and impossible task for me."

Hazrat Ali(Radiallhu Anhu) then narrated as follows:

"I heard the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) as saying that as the Day of Qiyamah approaches there will appear a group of youths with a low mental capacity and understanding, apparently they will talk of good but their Imaan will not go beyond their throat and they will leave the true Deen like an arrow leaves the prey. Wherever you find them, you should make Jihaad with them. (Bukhari Shareef, pp/1024)

EIGHTH HADITH
The following Hadith is reported by Hazrat Abu Naim (Radiallhu Anhu) in his book entitled 'Huliya'. Hazrat Abu Umana Bahili (Radiallah Anhu) narrates that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said "Before the Day of Qiyamah, they (Tableeghi Jamaat) will spread and attack bitterly like the small and the large insects and whosoever witnesses this period must seek refuge in Allah." (Huliya)

Hazrat Hassan Basri (Radiallhu Anhu) narrated the following Hadith, "The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said that there will come a time when people will speak of worldly affairs in the Masjid and when this period arrives, keep away from such people as Allah has no relation with them." (Mishkaat)

In the previous Hadith, above, it is stated about this Group, that it will consist of youths of low mental capacity and understanding. If one desires to confirm this sign then one has to go to their Ijtima (as an observer) and one would find people of both these categories. You will also notice that a great number of ignorant people joining the Tableeghi Jamaat with the idea in mind that they are doing a great service to Islam. You will also find a group of little children from schools, colleges, madressas and the general public who without thinking or understanding join the Tableeghi Jamaat in the belief that they are rendering a religious service. These innocent, simple-minded individuals unwittingly become target of their deception and fraud. Thus, many youth and unwary persons have unconsciously joined the Tableeghi Jamaat due to their misleading tactics. In the eighth Hadith it is stated that before Doomsday the 'Mullahs' will multiply like the insects and the Masjids will be turned into a village pavilions or rural clubs. It is apparent from observation and experience that the Tableeghi Jamaat is a living picture of this Prophecy. There are a great number of individuals, who by merely reading a few pages of the "Tableeghi Nisab" (Teachings of Islam), automatically become Moulvies and Alims. These so-called Mullahs now utter disrespect and disregard for the Great Ulema, who have spent the best and greater part of their lives in attaining Islamic Knowledge at reputed colleges and Universities, here and abroad.

The state of Masjids has now become the center of various activities besides a place of Worship. These gypsies (Tableeghi Jamaat members) have transformed the Masjid into a hostel, with canteen and sleeping hall and engage in other worldly affairs. This disgraceful and tormenting attitude towards the Masjid is both shocking and disheartening.

NINTH HADITH
Sayed Allama Dahlan (Rahmatullahi Alaihi) quotes in his book 'Addarus Sunnia' an authentic Hadith of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) which states:

"There will be a Group of people emerging from the East who will recite the Holy Quran but it will not go down their throats. They will leave the folds of Islam like an arrow leaves the bow never to return. A feature to recognize this Group is that their heads would be shaven clean." (Addarus Sunnia, PP. 49)

From the above Hadith it will be noted that since they deviate from the truth it is impossible for them to return to the Right Path. This Hadith could be put to a simple test by yourself, for the sake of confirmation of your doubts, if any, then confront a staunch follower of the Tableeghi Jamaat and try and influence him a thousand times and try t rid him of his false belief and not to associate with those who degrade the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) and to believe in the true status of the Aulia Allah's (Saints). Surprisingly, you will note that your attempts and confrontation will fall on deaf ears and they will neither return t the truth nor will they try to reason and see the truth. Muhaddith Kabir Imam Abu Ya'la (Rahmatullahi Alaihi) narrates a Hadith from Hazrat Anas bin Malik(Radiallhu Anhu) and the Author of 'lbriz' who states:
"Hazrat Anas Bin Malik (Radiallhu Anhu) narrates that in Medina, there lived a very pious youngster. One day we made reference about this youngster to the Holy Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam). Inspite of the Sahaba describing the youngster's features and character to the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam), the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) was unable to recognize the youngster made mention of. However, a few days later, whilst we were in the company of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam), the young man passed that way. On seeing the young man, the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) exclaimed: 'I see the scabs of Shaitaan imprinted on his face. The youngster then approached the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) and made salutation. The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) then said to him:'Is it not true that right now you are thinking that there is no one better than yourself here, 'The youngster then replied: 'Yes, these thoughts did pass my mind.'He then walked away into the Masjid. The Prophet then inquired as to who will kill this person. Hazrat Abu Bakr(Radiallhu Anhu) volunteered to do so and entered the Masjid and saw the person he was to kill engrossed in performing his Salaat and he remembered a Hadith of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) which prohibited one from killing a person who is performing his Salaat and returned to the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam).

The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) again inquired as to who will kill the youngster, this time Hazrat Umar (Radiallhu Anhu) volunteered to kill him and entered the Masjid and found the youngster performing his Sajda and with the same thoughts as Hazrat Abu Bakr (Radiallhu Anhu), Hazrat Umar (Radiallhu Anhu) returned to the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam). For the third time the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) again inquired who will kill the youngster, this time Hazrat Ali (Radiallhu Anhu) volunteered to do so, the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said:'You will surely kill him, if you find him.'

When Hazrat Ali entered the Masjid, he was surprised to see that the youngster was no longer in the Masjid and he too like the others returned to the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam). The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: 'If you had only killed him then all the Fitna in my Ummah till Day of Qiyamah would have been wiped out and no two persons in my Ummah would have fought between themselves." (Ibreez Shareef, pp/277, Author Allama Shah Abdul Aziz Dabbaag (Rahmatullahi Alaihi)). The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) informed the Sahaba (Companions) that among my Ummah will rise a Group of people who will recite the Quran, invite to good talks, will be punctual for their Salaat and will be mindful of their fasting, yet they will have no relation with Islam. With this confusion in their minds the Sahaba asked the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) to forecast a sign to recognize this particular Group of people. The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) replied that their head will be shaven clean or sitting in circles.

Let us all fervently pray to Almighty Allah, with the Grace and Blessings of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) that Allah grants protection to all true Muslims from this false an astrayed Sect. I invite you to be impartial and ask yourself one question. Where is that group which the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) described so vividly in so many Ahadith? Is it so difficult to pinpoint them? Surely these prophetic statements are a pen-portrait of the Tableeghi Jamaat.

SUMMARY OF AHADITH
Zul Khuwaisra - the man who showed so much disrespect to the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) was from the tribe of Bani Tamim. The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) foretold that the Wahhabi group who will cause much fitna, will be the off-springs of the above Munaafiq. Allama Dahlaan, the celebrated Historian of our era writes: "Zul Khuwaira was of the Banu Tamim tribe and so was Ibne Abdul Wahab Najdi." (Addarus Sunniah, pp/51). These Ahadith certainly do not fit the Kharajees because they were not the off-springs of Bani Tamim. Shah Abdul Haq the great Muhaddis of Delhi writes: "The Kharajees were not the descendants of Zul Khuwaisra." (Ashatul Lamaat, Commentary on Mishkat pp/535)

Moulana Muhammad Ali Jauhar has made the following observations about the Wahhabi Najdi Jamaat: "The hands of Najd and Najdis are red with the blood of Muslims, this is their only achievement. Now too, there are hostilities with the Yemenis and a war is looming." (Maqaalaate Muhammad Ali, Part 1,PP. 37)

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The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) is reported to have said: "There will rise a group of people in the East who will recite the Holy Quran, but alas, the Quran will not go beyond their throat. This group will keep rising till the Day of Judgment and they will eventually rise with Dajjal. Their main symbol will be to sit in groups (Halqa)."
(Addarus Sunniah, PP. 50) If I'm not mistaken, this hadith prophesied the Khawarij.

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Tableeghi Jamaat and Wahabis in Ahadith Due to objections from Tablighi Jamaat and Wahabis He has made a particular reference to the Wahhabi/Tableeghi Movement.
السلا م عليكم

As if these misleading Barewli oriented material available in sites like Islamic Academy are not enough, perhaps justice now will be done with this futile cut and paste exercise to emphasize the fact that people in the Tableeghi Jamaat 'are indeed the mischief mongers' as foretold in those hadith. And perhaps members of SF forum are naive and ignorant of these facts (pun intended), this brother has taken upon himself and deemed necessary to do this exercise again to drive the point home.

First of all, will this brother care to enlighten us what is his intention in copy pasting these material that are readily available in various sites? What necessitated the stirring of hornest nest that is bound to create controversy, arguments and counter arguments which have been done many times even in this forum in the past. Probably same very people who are tired of refuting these allegations will have to don the mentle again to stand up to the challenge. Cycle will go on and then again repeat after sometimes.

Just one question, since when and by whom the Tablighee Jamaat is identified with Wahabi movement? Answer to this very question will perhaps make the application of these Hadith for this Jamaat redundant.

Come here to Saudi, where allegedly Wahabi terms are identified with and see for yourself whether the Tablighi Jamaat anyway resembles the so called Wahabi anything. Majority of Ulemas here are still against Tablighi Jamaat baring a few.

I am very sad to see a highly respected brother of SF bringing up this topic that will ultimately generate futile arguments and counter arguments, wasting times of forum members that could have been better utilized discussing other pressing issues facing the Ummah.

The OP brother may perhaps care to elucide this ignorant soul if the motive is something nobler than what my thick brain could perceive. Or pehaps my comments are at the most imprudent!

I ask forgiveness for any offence made by my comments.

[alexosnasos2]

السلا م عليكم

this brother has taken upon himself and deemed necessary to do this exercise again to drive the point home.

oh really?

First of all, will this brother care to enlighten us what is his intention in copy pasting these material that are readily available in various sites?

my intention was stated in my first post.

Just one question, since when and by whom the Tablighee Jamaat is identified with Wahabi movement?

by the followers of 'ala hazrat' 'imam' raza khan barelwi!

Come here to Saudi, where allegedly Wahabi terms are identified with and see for yourself whether the Tablighi Jamaat anyway resembles the so called Wahabi anything. Majority of Ulemas here are still against Tablighi Jamaat baring a few.

for your invitation. please forward your address and send a plane ticket if possible. i will be at your doorstep as soon as possible. your invitation is most kind brother.

I am very sad to see a highly respected brother of SF bringing up this topic that will ultimately generate futile arguments and counter arguments, wasting times of forum members that could have been better utilized discussing other pressing issues facing the Ummah.

please feel free to participate or not participate as the desire takes you. also feel free to open threads which you feel are more pressing in terms of need.

The OP brother may perhaps care to elucide this ignorant soul if the motive is something nobler than what my thick brain could perceive. Or pehaps my comments are at the most imprudent!

motive is in the first post. its in red actually.

I ask forgiveness for any offence made by my comments.

no offence taken

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Have you guys been to the Tablighi Markaz in Najd?

[Stivenslivakovishhhs]

when did Prophet (swallalahu wa alayhi wassallam) said that a biddati (barelwi) will become the commentator of hadith & he only understands what i mean in hadith..

The Generality of the Hadeeth Pertaining to the Fitna Coming from the East.

Al-Bukhaaree includes this hadeeth in the chapter: "The affliction will appear from the East"

212) From the father of Saalim: The Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, stood up besides the pulpit (and pointed towards the east) and said: "Afflictions are there! Afflictions are there! From where appears the horn of Satan" or he said, "the horn of the Sun"

213) From ibn Umar that he said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu alyahi wa sallam, saying while facing the east: "Indeed Afflictions are there, from where appears the Horn of Satan."

214) The hadeeth of Najd under discussion.

Similar hadeeth can be found in Saheeh Muslim (volume 4 no.'s. 6938+). Hadeeth that give the same meaning can be found in Saheeh Muslim (volume 1 no.'s 83+)

That the Generality of the Early Trials and Tribulations arose from the East, many of them actually in Iraaq itself.

Ibn Hajr al-Asqalaanee said after quoting the words of al-Khattaabee explaining the meaning of Qarn (horn), "and others have said that the People of the East were disbelievers at that time and the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, informed us that the trials and tribulations would arise from that direction and it was as he said. And the first of the trials that arose, arose from the direction of the east and they were the reason for the splitting of the Muslim ranks, and this is what Satan loves and delights in. Likewise the innovations appeared from that direction." [Fath al-Baaree 13/58 in commentary to the hadeeth of Najd]

Amongst the trials that arose in Iraaq and the east was the martyrdom of Alee, the martyrdom of the grandson of the Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, the first battle between the Muslims occurred in Iraaq, and many more.

Imaam Nawawee mentions that one of the greatest trials to appear from the East will be the appearance of the Dajjaal. [Sharh Saheeh Muslim 2/29]

From the innovations that appeared in the east and specifically Iraaq, was many of the early deviant sects amongst them the Qadariyyah (as the first hadeeth in Muslim shows), the Jahmiyyah and their offshoots etc...

That at the time of the Prophet, sallaahu alayhis wa sallaam, there were 13 places known as Najd [according to 'Najd Qarnu ash-Shaytaan'] depending on where one was. This because Najd linguistically means a raised/elevated land. Therefore the Arabs referred to lands that were elevated with respect to them as Najd. One of the most commonly referred to areas at that time as Najd was Iraaq.

The Najd for those people living in Madeenah in the direction of the East would be Iraaq.

Ibn Hajr said: "al-Khattaabee said: 'the najd in the direction of the east, and for the one who is in Madeenah then his Najd would be the desert of Iraaq and it's regions [baadiya al-Iraaq wa Nawaaheehaa] for this is to the east of the People of Madeenah. The basic meaning of Najd is that which is raised/elevated from the earth in contravention to al-Gawr for that is what is lower than it. Tihaamah [the coastal plain along the south-western and southern shores of the Arabian Peninsula] is entirely al-Gawr and Mecca is in Tihaamah.'"

Ibn Hajr continues, "by this [saying of al-Khattaabee] the weakness of the saying of ad-Daawodee is understood that 'Najd is in the direction of Iraaq' [min Naahiya al-Iraaq] for he suggests that Najd is a specific place. This is not the case, rather everything that is elevated with respect to what adjoins it is called Najd and the lower area called Gawr." [Fath al-Baaree 13/58-59]

Al-Mubaarakfooree endorses these words in his commentary to Sunan at-Tirmidhee (10/314 no.4212)

The Hadeeth in Saheeh Muslim [4/1505 no.6943]

Saalim bin Abdullaah bin Umar said: O people of Iraaq, how strange is it that you ask about the minor sins but commit the major sins? [The killing of al-Husayn] I heard my father, Abdullaah bin Umar narrating that he heard the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, saying while pointing his hand to the east: "Indeed the turmoil would come from this side, from where appear the horns of Satan and you would strike the necks of one another..."

The Variations in Wording of the Hadeeth of Najd that Leave no Doubt Whatsoever as to what it refers to.

The hadeeth of ibn Umar Reported by Abu Nu'aym in al-Hilya (6/133), "O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Madeenah, and bestow your blessings on our Mecca, and bestow your blessings on our Shaam, and bestow your blessings on our Yemen, and bestow your blessings in our measuring (fee saa'inaa wa muddinaa)." A person said, " O Messenger of Allaah and in our Iraaq" and so he turned away from him and said, "there will occur earthquakes, trials and tribulations and there will appear the horn of Satan."

Shu'ayb al-Arna'ut declares it's isnaad to be saheeh as in his footnotes to 'Sharh as-Sunnah' (14/206-207 fn. 2) and he too endorses the words of al-Khattaabee quoted above.

The hadeeth of ibn Umar reported in at-Tabaraanee in 'al-Awsat' that the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam prayed Fajr and then faced the people and said, "O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Madeenah, O Allaah bestow your blessings in our measuring, O Allaah bestow your blessings in our Shaam and our Yemen." A person said, "And Iraaq O Messenger of Allaah?" He said, "from there arises the horn of Satan and the trials and tribulations would come like mounting waves."

Ibn Hajr al-Haythamee says in his 'Mujma az-Zawaa'id' (3/305 - chapter 'collection of du'aas made for (Madeenah)'): 'its narrators are trustworthy and precise.'

[This hadeeth could possibly considered to be the same as b) above, but I have included it separately due to the slight difference in wording. Allaah knows best.]

The hadeeth of ibn Abbaas reported by at-Tabaraanee in 'al-Kabeer' that the Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, supplicated and said, "O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Shaam and Yemen." A person from amongst the people said, "O Prophet of Allaah and Iraaq?" He said, "indeed there is the Horn of Satan, and the trials and tribulations will come like mounting waves, and indeed harshness/coarseness is in the east."

Al-Haythamee says: "it's narrators are trustworthy and precise." (ibid.)

The Virtues of Bani Tameem

Bani Tameem constitute the majority of the inhabitants of the Najd that is in Saudi Arabia.

The hadeeth of Saheeh Bukhaaree reported by Abu Hurayra (RA): "I have loved the people of the tribe of Bani Tameem, ever since I heard three things the Messenger of Allaah , sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said about them. I heard him saying, 'these people (of the tribe of Bani Tameem) would stand firm against the Dajjaal.' When the Saddaqat from that tribe came, the Messenger of Allaah , sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said, "these are the Saddaqat (charitable gifts) of our folk." Aa'ishah had a slave girl from that tribe, and the Prophet , sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said to Aa'ishah, 'manumit her as she is a descendant of Ismaa'eel, alayhis salaam.'"

[Hadeeth no. 2543, 4366 of al-Fath] Ibn Hajr al-Asqalaanee said, "this hadeeth also contains a clear mention of the excellence and superiority of Bani Tameem." [Fath 5/217]

The hadeeth of Ikrimah from one of the Companions reported in the Musnad of Imaam Ahmad and in it occurs, "do not say of Bani Tameem anything but good, for indeed they are the severest of people in attacking the Dajjaal."

Al-Haythamee says: "its narrators are those of the Saheeh." [Mujma 10/48 chpt: What is reported concerning Bani Tameem]

It is not strange that Bani Tameem would be the most severe against the Dajjaal, because the tools required to combat him are none but a correct and firm belief and proper beneficial knowledge. Alhumdolillaah many of the scholars of Saudi are from the most noble and skilled scholars on the face of this earth today, firmly upon the way of our noble Messenger, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam.

[JMLot]

Assalamu alaykum
The Arabic word Thaleeq (Shaving) as used in the Ahadith must be taken into consideration. The common translation of the word Thaleeq is clean-shaving of the entire head. The Deoband scholars in Misbahul Lughat - page-148 give its meaning as 'to turn around and sit in a circle'. This translation fits like a glove with the Movement of the Tableeghi Jamaat, one translation is regarding them moving around and the other indicating their sitting in circles in Masjids and doing Kitab-reading as a splinter group detached from the other Musallies. They cut across the Imam and display a defying attitude. They never read the Quran. They love the Kitab written by Molvi Zakariya. They will never participate in Khatamul Quran organized in Mosques on certain nights or auspicious nights. If the Imam is delivering Tafseerul Quran, or Darse Hadith or fiqah lessons or even Zikrullah, these people never take part, as if they
are super Muslims and everybody else is 3rd grade! These Tableeghis are programmed internationally to behave in this manner. It is not peculiar to any one country. This is the global strategy to destabilize the Muslims The anti-Muslim West has realized that they cannot break the Muslims from outside. They will have to use a group of hypocrites, who will use Western financial resources, and creep into Muslim society, systematically dismantling them and fragmenting them. Remember, all this is done in the name of establishing the Sunnah and "The Mubarak Tareeqa" of our Beloved Rasoolullah(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam), as claimed by them!

Hazrat Abu Saeed Khudri (Radiallhu Anhu) and Hazrat Anas (Radiallhu Anhu) report that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) stated: "My Ummat is destined to differ and be divided. So a group will arise whose talks will sound very good but their character will be misleading. They will read the Quran but it will not descend below their throats (just oral reading). They will leave Deen just as an arrow pierces and goes right through the prey. They will not return to Islam. They are the worst of creation because of their nature and constitution. They will call the people towards the Quran and Deen whilst in reality they will have nothing to do with Islam. Whoever will confront them, he will be the most beloved servant of Allah. The Sahaba inquired: "Ya Rasoolullah, (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) what is their sign?" He replied: "Sitting in a Halqa (circle)."(Mishkat Shareef, pp/308) clean-shaving of the entire head Is that not a sunnah of Rasulullah SAS.

This translation fits like a glove with the Movement of the Tableeghi Jamaat, one translation is regarding them moving around and the other indicating their sitting in circles in Masjids and doing Kitab-reading as a splinter group detached from the other Musallie It is not a splinter group. When most of the musallees sit in the taleem halqa, a small splinter group of musallees leave the masjid.

They cut across the Imam and display a defying attitude. May be this article was written some 50 years back, it is the other way now a few musallees have defying attitude.

They never read the Quran. Allah knows best who read more quran.
They love the Kitab written by Molvi Zakariya. They love the quran, hadeeth quotes and stories of sahabah and sayings of saints written in that kitab.

They will never participate in Khatamul Quran organized in Mosques on certain nights or auspicious nights The author of this article waits for auspicious nights to read the quran.

If the Imam is delivering Tafseerul Quran, or Darse Hadith or fiqah lessons or even Zikrullah, these people never take part, as if they are super Muslims and everybody else is 3rd grade! If somone keeps quran or hadeeth in from of him and start lecturing, not necessarily he is doing tafseer or dars-e-hadees. If real dars or tafseer session is organized, surely every muslim will sit .

as if they are super Muslims and everybody else is 3rd grade! We are not super muslims and others are not 3rd grade. If we die without iman and amal we are worse than dogs and pigs.
These Tableeghis are programmed internationally to behave in this manner. It is not peculiar to any one country. This is the global strategy to destabilize the Muslims Alhamdulillah alhamdulillah. This was there only during khaleefa period.

The anti-Muslim West has realized that they cannot break the Muslims from outside. They will have to use a group of hypocrites, who will use Western financial resources, and creep into Muslim society, systematically dismantling them and fragmenting them. Remember, all this is done in the name of establishing the Sunnah and "The Mubarak Tareeqa" of our Beloved Rasoolullah(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam), as claimed by them! west is not advising the arabs to allow TJ to work freely in saudi. who will use Western financial resources, That claim is not proven yet.

they will have nothing to do with Islam Which Islam, making money in name of Islam or spending for Islam, keeping the beard or shaving the beard, lowering the gaze or porn in dargah premesis. Big crowd in durgah and empty masjid adjacent to the dargah. Bowing the head in front of Allah swt or in front of maqlooq......... etc.

[TainuibeFaimb]

Now the conclusions used as allegations against Tablighi Jama'at are seriously a joke and non-sense, and I'm pretty sure you know better than me how to easily counter these.

[fabrizioitwloch]

If anyone has spent time in the effort of da'wah revived by Maulana Ilyas (ra) would automatically know that the allegations against this effort mentioned in this article are so far fetched that it's not even funny.

May Allaah make things easy for everyone.

[pXss8cyx]

I've already explained these in a thread here on sunniforum, i can't bother but it's got nothing to do with Tableeghis or Wahhabies.

[mrPronmaker]

Article is a bit far fetched and Im not even Tablighi/Whabbi. However the part about the Najd, I have heard that various times and the part about the Iblis horn rising from there... Perhaps there may be some truth in there, as look at what is happening covertly in Saudi right now

[eFDMBwKH]

And why has the op not stated what his thoughts are?

Or does he like to play devils advocate.

tripolysunni has given the response. For those members who are not familiar about these ahadeeth please refer to classic scholars interpretation if you need to deal with them otherwise stay away from the fitna of indulging in that which probably sure not concern most of us to know about

[alexosnasos2]

And why has the op not stated what his thoughts are?

because interpreting and explaining hadith is beyond the scope of my knowledge and i wanted other knowledgeable brothers to explain the true meaning of these hadith to me in order that i may refute them with knowledge.

i knew the knowledgable brothers on the forum would easily refute the baseless barelwi arguments and to a point have done exactly that.

if you are suspicious of my motives then for me that is not a problem as i do seek anything, including acceptance, from any man or woman.

for all your replies.

[eFDMBwKH]

because interpreting and explaining hadith is beyond the scope of my knowledge and i wanted other knowledgeable brothers to explain the true meaning of these hadith to me in order that i may refute them with knowledge.

i knew the knowledgable brothers on the forum would easily refute the baseless barelwi arguments and to a point have done exactly that.

And why did you not say so in the first instance?

[lagunaEl]

The brother who made this thread is not a Brelwi, so there's no need to doubt his intentions.

Anyways, I can see the relation to Wahabis (though it would be unfair to condemn them solely on a possibility), but relating them to Tableeghis makes me laugh. When was Najd ever used to refer to India?

[alexosnasos2]

And why did you not say so in the first instance?

the honest answer is initially i thought there was no need and then afterwards i thought let the thread continue as it is and see what happens...out of masti

[Stivenslivakovishhhs]

aftab bhai[QUOTE
May ALLAH give us correct understanding of deen




[QUOTE lol calm down qibla bhai. i merely wanted further info and counter arguments to their claims in order to have some ammunition to refute them.

Please be precise what else u need to counter arguments to their (or yours ) claims..

[metrocartockasur]

br. xs11ax

could you post the concern one by one, and that way we can perhaps look for answers for them.

[alexosnasos2]

br. xs11ax

could you post the concern one by one, and that way we can perhaps look for answers for them.

hazrat,

i do not have any concerns. rather what i was looking for was the real explanations and understanding of the hadith that the barelwis have cited as being against the effort of tabligh and to show how foolish and devoid of ilm their reasonings are.