[sbgctsa]

It's disheartening to see that bashing salafism has become a point of joy.
I can understand brothers having low opinion of the fataawa of so and so Shuyukh of the salafi manhaj, but do we have to look down upon the laymen that follow this Shuyukh?

We are laymen, and whom we learn the religion from is often determined by where we live, our local masjid, etc.

We are guided only when Allah wills.
If a Muslim is in the wrong in 'our opinion', why has it become a festival to bash him up?

Wouldn't shedding tears for everyone's guidance be more appropriate?

May be it's true that sometimes people of the opposing view are aggressive, but should we too?

Hidayah is in the hands of Allah ta'ala.
May we be able to follow the Sunnah of da'wah of our beloved guide, Nabi Muhammad sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam. Ameen.

[77chawzence]

Can someone explain to me the whole hatred for Salafis? Why are they hated?

And what's the story about Deo-Bandis? The Wikipedia article doesn't tell much.

BTW, I also don't know what a Salafi is. Can anyone explain that as well?

[JeremyBalll]

Can someone explain to me the whole hatred for Salafis? Why are they hated?

And what's the story about Deo-Bandis? The Wikipedia article doesn't tell much.

BTW, I also don't know what a Salafi is. Can anyone explain that as well?

The people who call themselves Salafi don't generally follow one of the four now well established madhahib and many prominent shuyukh from the Salafiyuwn delivered fatawa outside of all four madhahib and this appears to be a point of contention. As for Deobandis, they have nothing to do with the Salafiyuwn and followed Hanafi madhab (and there's plenty of Deobandis on here you can talk with).

[Slchtjgb]

deoband is one of the largest islamic university in the world and all those who follow ulema of darul uloom deoband are called with love as deobandis and some also call with hatred

[DEMassteers]

It's disheartening to see that bashing salafism has become a point of joy.
I can understand brothers having low opinion of the fataawa of so and so Shuyukh of the salafi manhaj, but do we have to look down upon the laymen that follow this Shuyukh?

We are laymen, and whom we learn the religion from is often determined by where we live, our local masjid, etc.

We are guided only when Allah wills.
If a Muslim is in the wrong in 'our opinion', why has it become a festival to bash him up?

Wouldn't shedding tears for everyone's guidance be more appropriate?

May be it's true that sometimes people of the opposing view are aggressive, but should we too?

Hidayah is in the hands of Allah ta'ala.
May we be able to follow the Sunnah of da'wah of our beloved guide, Nabi Muhammad sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam. Ameen.

Asslamo Allaikum,

How do you deal with people that think that you are one of the following:

1) Deviant
2) Heretic
3) Ahlul-Bidah
4) Misguided

Without ever talking/Speaking/communicating with you?

Simply beacuse you quote an article or something from a particular Scholar.

Another good example is that of Br Jayshallah (himself a Salafi) who used an article of Shaykh GF Hadad in defense of Ahlus-Sunnah on his site and you can ask him how the Salafees treated him for posting an article of GF Hadad on his site!

[sbgctsa]

Br. Muadh, Adopting a name is easy.
A laymen takes a name without much effort.

It's not a crime to be born into a Hanafi family, just like it isn't to born into a Salafi family.

I would defend the hanafi positions just like a salafi would defend his. Often times I would do so because of the 'faith' in the validity of the school, and its scholars, rather than being aware of the 'complete evidence'. Same goes for every laymen, including those born into Salafi families.

I am not referring to those Salafi that are bashing me in their forum for being a hanafi. Allah won't hold me accountable for what others think of me.

Rather, it appears at Sunniforum, often times we paint all salafis as 'close-minded, madhhab-hater, worthy-of-rebuke'. We want Jannah for everyone, why make it difficult through name calling and spreading mockery?

The topic is a reminder to myself first.

[artenotreah]

This ummah will split up into 72 sects and all but one will be in the hell fire.

[intisgunkas]

Rather, it appears at Sunniforum, often times we paint all salafis as 'close-minded, madhhab-hater, worthy-of-rebuke'. We want Jannah for everyone, why make it difficult through name calling and spreading mockery?

I agree. This forum has some great refutations of salafi contentions which get somewhat spoiled by insults, mockery and indirect abuse. I have no doubt that the salafis are on the wrong path but some of them are sincere in their error. Mainly because of misunderstandings perpetuated by the fact that all their influential peers are salafis.

Now, these kind could come on here and see the error of their ways but if their first contact involves hostility and bad adab then they are likely to go on the defensive and become close hearted to the truth.

[CULTDIAMONDS]

I agree. This forum has some great refutations of salafi contentions which get somewhat spoiled by insults, mockery and indirect abuse. I have no doubt that the salafis are on the wrong path but some of them are sincere in their error. Mainly because of misunderstandings perpetuated by the fact that all their influential peers are salafis.

Now, these kind could come on here and see the error of their ways but if their first contact involves hostility and bad adab then they are likely to go on the defensive and become close hearted to the truth.

I agree.

[vicgirl]

I agree.

x2

[metrocartockasur]

We are to maintain Adab when even talking to a non muslim. If a Salafi bashes any of you it is a test for you from Allah to make Sabr and be polite.. Whether it is an academic refutation, or a saturday evening chit chat with a salafi bro.. Adab is from the religion..

[WrinnaArraple]

saalm to all. i need along talk with someone about my islam. salafis in this country seem to be normal people who maintain they are msulims and follow ALLAH and his messenger.why all the hate, wat dont i know about this hate??i wonder. on the contrary we have come across alot of anti-deobandi writings linking them with barelwis jamaat tabligh and suffiyah in general. just when u r about to believe something you read something new!kind of confusing,the thing going on with these chaps in general but i always ask the MOST HIGH to guide us all,wa salaam.

[VewCoorkPow]

It's disheartening to see that bashing salafism has become a point of joy.
I can understand brothers having low opinion of the fataawa of so and so Shuyukh of the salafi manhaj, but do we have to look down upon the laymen that follow this Shuyukh?

We are laymen, and whom we learn the religion from is often determined by where we live, our local masjid, etc.

We are guided only when Allah wills.
If a Muslim is in the wrong in 'our opinion', why has it become a festival to bash him up?

Wouldn't shedding tears for everyone's guidance be more appropriate?

May be it's true that sometimes people of the opposing view are aggressive, but should we too?

Hidayah is in the hands of Allah ta'ala.
May we be able to follow the Sunnah of da'wah of our beloved guide, Nabi Muhammad sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam. Ameen.

My dear brothers, Assalaamoalaikum.

Anyone who has pronounced the shahada and believes in Allah(SWT), His Messenger(SAW), The Book (Holy Qur'an), The Last Day, Angels.. is a believer. He is a muslim. He is not a hanafi, a maliki, a deobandi, a salafi, etc..... There are too many groups to name.

Fundamental beliefs are the same. All of us are on the Path to Allah(SWT). Some have taken the short route, others longer ones - but Insh'Allah all will eventually fall back onto the sirat-ul- mustaqeem. We must always remember that faith is between one and Allah(SWT).

A few of us have the right knowledge / wisdom, some, unfortunately, still labour under the false impression that they are on the right track although their opinions on certain issues may be wrong.

Whatever be our differences, other than the fundamental ones, as our Brother Abuhajira says, we must always address the other with adab. This is Islam.

The other to me is a muslim. Nothing else.

Brotherly yours
farook

[JessiPollo]

salaam,

Imam Suhaib mentioned this narration in his Risalatul Mustarshidin class:


One a man mentioned another fellow in a bad way in the presence of Iyaas bin Mu’awiyah al-Muzni. The latter looked at the man in his face and said,

“Did you fight the Romans?”

The man said, “No.”

al-Muzani: “Did you fight the people of Sind, India and the Turks?”

The man responded, “No.”

Al-Muzani said, “Do you mean to tell me that the armies of Rome, Sind and the Turks are safe from harm by you, but your own brother is not safe from harm by you?"

ws
AS

[67Irralphaisa]

I was reading somewhere that a salaf said: When a person dont has any valid argument , He takes the help of "bad behaviour or name calling" to feedback his position.

So when a person starts to do bad behaviour or calls us with titles, we should leave the discussion, and the same goes to ourself. if we involve others with name calling, we should be ashamed, and leave the discussion for our sake inshallah. may Allah give us tawfiq to main the brotherhood on basis of Kalimah.

[CowextetleSix]

When criticising a group one should NEVER make generalisations and be dicted by our passions.
Some scholars worked hard to bringing unity in the ummah yet their so-called followers do the exact opposite.
You can disagree, but be fair in it.

[Abnorttrano]

I am neither a Madhab brother or a Salafi, so I can speak from the outside. And it seems like alot of the hate for Salafis come from the fear and insecurities of other Muslims. If you are worried about getting called out for shirk, bid'ah, or devianation then check yourself and ask why. Then read some of the post on SF and then youll find your answer because in the opinion of many of my close circle akhis, this place has a repretation for its devianation, shirk, and sheikh worship among other things. Sunniforums agrees with a certain "brand" or "kind" of Muslim. Anyone else is seen as threatening. But alot of my people offline arent "feeling" what alot of akhis have promoted on here including me and my close akhis. And when Im near a Salafi, I dont feel insecure as maybe you would, because I dont go around telling people that its okay to fabricate hadith in your tablighi books, or that its okay to grave worship, or that its okay to seek aid through saints and other than Allah (swt), or that these saints have had revelations and miraculous miracles, or that we need to seek hidden knowledge such as people here have said, and neither do I go around throwing dirt on Ibn Tamiyyah. Me and my akhis say none of these things. Therefore when I or them approach a Salafi brother, they dont run up screaming bid'ah at our heads and the respect is always there.

[JulieSmithdccd]

We are to maintain Adab when even talking to a non muslim. If a Salafi bashes any of you it is a test for you from Allah to make Sabr and be polite.. Whether it is an academic refutation, or a saturday evening chit chat with a salafi bro.. Adab is from the religion..

wr wb,

Totally agree with Brother Abuhajira above (and a lot of other brothers and sisters on this thread).

Brother Hope-n-fear: Jazakallahu Khairan on your sincere kindness. May Allah SWT reward you for it, on a Day when you need it most.
Brothers and sisters,

I am Salafi (or at least trying my best to be one!). Those of you who know me on here, will recall that I have never insulted anybody, and if I have ever upset anyone, then I do apologise, for it wasn't intended. My example is the Prophet SAWS and the Sahaba Radhiallahu anhum.

I believe that we are all trying to save ourselves on the Day of Judgement, and we all get a bit emotional in that process, and sometimes our emotions go out of control.

I have seen brothers on both sides who would resort too quickly to trading insults, and I never agree with that. In fact, whenever I am discussing a matter with a brother, and he starts insulting, that's time for my exit, bus stop, way out, departure...etc

There is too much partizanship towards such and such scholar. My scholars and your scholars are not perfect. They are mere human beings who make mistakes. I personally never take 'everything' wholesale from my scholars; I always weigh it against what others have said. The only person from whom I take everything wholesale is Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu alaihi wasallam.

You are certainly not my enemy, and I am not yours. We are brothers, and even brothers living under the same roof have different opinions and convictions at times. Our real enemy is having a whale of a time watching us fight!

May Allah SWT guide us all towards what pleases Him!

Wassalam
Jamaluddine

[RerRoktoido]

اِدْفَعْ بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ

We should be polite and calm as whatever they say they believe in Allah and the Prophet.

They call as mushriks and bidaati but Allah will not consider us mushrik because they say so. Therefore we should try to follow the commands of Allah and Prophet (peace be upon him) by being polite

[DEMassteers]

I am neither a Madhab brother or a Salafi, so I can speak from the outside. And it seems like alot of the hate for Salafis come from the fear and insecurities of other Muslims. If you are worried about getting called out for shirk, bid'ah, or devianation then check yourself and ask why. Then read some of the post on SF and then youll find your answer because in the opinion of many of my close circle akhis, this place has a repretation for its devianation, shirk, and sheikh worship among other things. Sunniforums agrees with a certain "brand" or "kind" of Muslim. Anyone else is seen as threatening. But alot of my people offline arent "feeling" what alot of akhis have promoted on here including me and my close akhis. And when Im near a Salafi, I dont feel insecure as maybe you would, because I dont go around telling people that its okay to fabricate hadith in your tablighi books, or that its okay to grave worship, or that its okay to seek aid through saints and other than Allah (swt), or that these saints have had revelations and miraculous miracles, or that we need to seek hidden knowledge such as people here have said, and neither do I go around throwing dirt on Ibn Tamiyyah. Me and my akhis say none of these things. Therefore when I or them approach a Salafi brother, they dont run up screaming bid'ah at our heads and the respect is always there.

Asslamo Allaikum Brother,

1) Islamic Scholars of the past have refuted many groups in speeches and writings. Do you beleive that their refuations stemmed from their own insecurities?

2) Salafi objections often stem from arrogance. I have seen plenty of times "Akhees" objecting to something and when you dig deeper many of them have no clue about Islamic knowledge. Many of them cannot even name some of the well known scholars of Islam (and experts in the science of Hadeeth) let alone quote them accurately.

No doubt that there are lost of practises amongst the Muslims which are Bidah and should be refuted.

Shaykul-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (RA) was a great scholar of Islam and genuine servant of Allah (SWT) and served the Deen of Allah (SWT) with distinction.

BUT he was a human being and where he made mistakes we should pray to Allah (SWT) for his forgiveness.

He isn't always right and he isn't the ONLY BENCHMARK in the Muslim Ummah...great scholars have existed before and after