[MyOwnStyle]

I had a few lights .. blue .. green and white. Not all of these are jinn lights they can be sifa lights or malaika. They did not affect my eyes though. Also seeing them like shadow figures and similer like how incino man was .. transparent looking. Depending when they come around .. and what type depends on your thoughts. The ones in clubs etc make ppl think of sexual and other bad things etc. Likewise others can tempt you to do suicide, depression etc. A kamil shaykh is needed for this as a regualr shaykh with ijaza wont be able to handle this. We have tons of jinns come around during dhikr majlis but they dont cause any trouble as the shaykh will scold them if they do cause any trouble or show themselves to the commoners. My suggestion is to take him to a kamil wali to help him solve the problem.

From your experience, is there any special azkaar that might help him. Also have you heard of intense zikr causing the body to heat up or cause something like vitiligo.

Jazak Allah

[Optosypoeds]

From your experience, is there any special azkaar that might help him. Also have you heard of intense zikr causing the body to heat up or cause something like vitiligo.

Jazak Allah

I dont know of any accept salawat. Yeah many different adkar can heat up your body and actually cause to feel of fire if not done by ijazah. This is why a kamil wali is like barrier for the mureed he is able to take in the faiz and distribute it correctly to the murid. When they shaykh is not on that level the murid suffers.

[MyOwnStyle]

Salaams,

I was wondering who your sheikh is and how he advised you regarding your experience.

Jazak Allah

[Optosypoeds]

Salaams,

I was wondering who your sheikh is and how he advised you regarding your experience.

Jazak Allah

My shaykh is Shaykh Nazim al Haqqani. I follow both the Naqshbandi Haqqani and Ba Alawi tariqas.

[lapyignipinge]

Salaams

I know of someone who was travelling the path of tasawwuf and he reached a stage whereby he would see a beautiful light while praying or sitting in his Sheikhs presence or reading the Qur'an. Eventually he lost control of his mind and all the above was lost in terms of ibaadah. He was told eventually that a Jinn had tampered with his eyes and mind. Is there any reference to such phenomenon made in the writings of the sufis.

Jazak Allah

How does one see the Jinn when the Jinn are not visible?

Why are the presence of lights indications of jinn or angels when lights can be an indication of a precursor to a seizure, or a symptom of hypoxia (lack of oxygen)?

What does it mean: 'lost control of his mind'? Did he have a seizure, or become insane, or loose consciousness?

[MatueHarton]

Bismillah

This is a sign the shaykh isnt a kamil shaykh because he has to know how to fix the state and warn the murid before these things happen. I have had personally experiance with lights/vision. You usually have to inform the shaykh and he will tell you if its truthful or tainted by jinn interference. Many times it is the jinns interfering such as with visions, swirling blue lights etc. Once told to the shaykh the shaykh can close down certain things so you are not able to witness such things and stay normal. Even if the murids doesn't listen he still does certain things for the murid to stay away and gives warning 3 or more times before he lets him do as he likes. I have seen this happening with people simple reciting kalimah in excess amount of times and also with other powerful adhkar.

salam to you bro and everyone of my bros here, seems to me we may be related from your name, can I have your contact?

[fectsnanteemy]

Salaams

I know of someone who was travelling the path of tasawwuf and he reached a stage whereby he would see a beautiful light while praying or sitting in his Sheikhs presence or reading the Qur'an. Eventually he lost control of his mind and all the above was lost in terms of ibaadah. He was told eventually that a Jinn had tampered with his eyes and mind. Is there any reference to such phenomenon made in the writings of the sufis.

Jazak Allah

Assalamu'alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh,

What Shaykh al-Akbar Ibn 'Arabi mentioned in his Futuhat al-Makkiyyah might have some relevance insha'Allah:

"Of all beings in the natural world, the jinn are the most ignorant of God. They report to their sitting companion the occurrence of events and what is happening in the cosmos, because they acquire that through listening to the Higher Plenum by stealth. Then their [human] companion supposes that God has honored him. He should be careful about what he thinks! This is why you will never see any of those who sit with the jinn having actualized any knowledge of God whatsoever. The most that can happen is that the man who is provided for by the spirits of the jinn is given knowledge of the characteristics of plants, stones, names and letters. This is the science of simid’. Hence, this person will acquire from the jinn nothing but a knowledge that is blamed by the tongues of the revealed religions. So, if someone claims to be their companion-and if he speaks the truth in his claim-ask him a question concerning his knowledge of the divine things. You will find that he has no tasting in that whatsoever."
Through personal experience, I've seen many people, without the benefit of having a guide who has traversed and completed the path, being deluded by the Jinn. It is known that in the initial stages of traversing the path, one would be tested with deception and tricks. Thus the need of a valid Shaykh, grounded in Shari'ah and with isnad linking him to the Prophet (pbuh).

Proper and valid turuq would emphasize on ignoring whatever comes your way until you reach the end, whereby you attain experiential knowledge of Allah. Jinns, colourful lights, plants talking to you, are all distractions and obstacles. The focus is Allah.

And Allah knows best.

[lasadeykar]

Assalamu'alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh,

What Shaykh al-Akbar Ibn 'Arabi mentioned in his Futuhat al-Makkiyyah might have some relevance insha'Allah:

"Of all beings in the natural world, the jinn are the most ignorant of God. They report to their sitting companion the occurrence of events and what is happening in the cosmos, because they acquire that through listening to the Higher Plenum by stealth. Then their [human] companion supposes that God has honored him. He should be careful about what he thinks! This is why you will never see any of those who sit with the jinn having actualized any knowledge of God whatsoever. The most that can happen is that the man who is provided for by the spirits of the jinn is given knowledge of the characteristics of plants, stones, names and letters. This is the science of simid’. Hence, this person will acquire from the jinn nothing but a knowledge that is blamed by the tongues of the revealed religions. So, if someone claims to be their companion-and if he speaks the truth in his claim-ask him a question concerning his knowledge of the divine things. You will find that he has no tasting in that whatsoever."
Through personal experience, I've seen many people, without the benefit of having a guide who has traversed and completed the path, being deluded by the Jinn. It is known that in the initial stages of traversing the path, one would be tested with deception and tricks. Thus the need of a valid Shaykh, grounded in Shari'ah and with isnad linking him to the Prophet (pbuh).

Proper and valid turuq would emphasize on ignoring whatever comes your way until you reach the end, whereby you attain experiential knowledge of Allah. Jinns, colourful lights, plants talking to you, are all distractions and obstacles. The focus is Allah.

And Allah knows best.

Brother, the Futuhat al-Makkiyyah that you have quoted, who did the translation? I'm lookig for a good translation of Futuhat al-Makkiyyah that Ulama might have approved.

[lasadeykar]

I dont know of any accept salawat. Yeah many different adkar can heat up your body and actually cause to feel of fire if not done by ijazah. This is why a kamil wali is like barrier for the mureed he is able to take in the faiz and distribute it correctly to the murid. When they shaykh is not on that level the murid suffers.

Sometimes salaat heats up my neck, shoulders and head. It feels like electricity running through my body and its going to catch fire any moment. When that happens, I finish my salaat really fast. I feel like taking all my clothes off and jump in cold water.
I know my salaat is in horrible condition. It might be due to really bad salaat or just problem with my body.

[fectsnanteemy]

Brother, the Futuhat al-Makkiyyah that you have quoted, who did the translation? I'm lookig for a good translation of Futuhat al-Makkiyyah that Ulama might have approved.

Prof. William Chittick did that particular translation. To my knowledge, there is only one incomplete translation of the Futuhat in English and it is published by Fons Vitae. There is no other known translation since it would be nearly impossible to translate the whole Futuhat in one's lifetime.

Link to the partially translated Futuhat here.

[fectsnanteemy]

Sometimes salaat heats up my neck, shoulders and head. It feels like electricity running through my body and its going to catch fire any moment. When that happens, I finish my salaat really fast. I feel like taking all my clothes off and jump in cold water.
I know my salaat is in horrible condition. It might be due to really bad salaat or just problem with my body.

Al-Imām 'Abdallah Ibn 'Alawī al-Haddād mentioned in his Nafāis al-‘Uluwiyyah fil-Masā'il as-Sufiyyah that the heat one feels during or after performing an act of worship is the effect of the cleansing of sins. He even advised those experiencing this not to drink any water to cool themselves down!

[Optosypoeds]

salam to you bro and everyone of my bros here, seems to me we may be related from your name, can I have your contact?

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[Optosypoeds]

Al-Imām 'Abdallah Ibn 'Alawī al-Haddād mentioned in his Nafāis al-‘Uluwiyyah fil-Masā'il as-Sufiyyah that the heat one feels during or after performing an act of worship is the effect of the cleansing of sins. He even advised those experiencing this not to drink any water to cool themselves down!

Heat can also be that you can not handle the intensity of the certain ism or wird you are reciting. Many times this is the case when a mureed picks a wird that is not prescribed by his shaykh such as using the asma al husna for certain amount of times etc.

[fectsnanteemy]

Heat can also be that you can not handle the intensity of the certain ism or wird you are reciting. Many times this is the case when a mureed picks a wird that is not prescribed by his shaykh such as using the asma al husna for certain amount of times etc.

That is common knowledge for those on the path alhamdulillah. I just thought that quoting from the books of those with much more experience than us would make for a more reliable discussion.

[Optosypoeds]

That is common knowledge for those on the path alhamdulillah. I just thought that quoting from the books of those with much more experience than us would make for a more reliable discussion.

I actually asked this question to some of the mashaikh on the path and this is the answer they gave. They gave certain circumstances of of how to tell when your sins have been removed and how to know that other things such as Jinni/Muakahils etc were messing around.



what path do you follow sufistic?

[fectsnanteemy]

I actually asked this question to some of the mashaikh on the path and this is the answer they gave. They gave certain circumstances of of how to tell when your sins have been removed and how to know that other things such as Jinni/Muakahils etc were messing around.



what path do you follow sufistic?

Fantastic, alhamdulillah. I'm of the Hashimi-Darqawi-Shadhili order. I know a little thing or two about the Ba'Alawi order as I used to live in Tarim for about a year.

[fectsnanteemy]

Muakahils

What is that ?

I think Brother Aydarus meant 'Muwakkil'. If this is what he meant, it's best to refer personally to those with experience in treating sihr or possession by the Jinn.

[lasadeykar]

I actually asked this question to some of the mashaikh on the path and this is the answer they gave. They gave certain circumstances of of how to tell when your sins have been removed and how to know that other things such as Jinni/Muakahils etc were messing around.



what path do you follow sufistic?

So how does one know if the sins are bring removed or thins such as jinni?

Can you please give the answer in detail that the shaikh gave?

[Optosypoeds]

So how does one know if the sins are bring removed or thins such as jinni?

Can you please give the answer in detail that the shaikh gave?

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[lasadeykar]

I rather talk on aim .. my aim is aydarus83

I dont use AIM. Do you use yahoo IM?

taalib_e_ilm @ y a h o o . c o m