[MyOwnStyle]

Salaams

I know of someone who was travelling the path of tasawwuf and he reached a stage whereby he would see a beautiful light while praying or sitting in his Sheikhs presence or reading the Qur'an. Eventually he lost control of his mind and all the above was lost in terms of ibaadah. He was told eventually that a Jinn had tampered with his eyes and mind. Is there any reference to such phenomenon made in the writings of the sufis.

Jazak Allah

[Trercakaressy]

What exactly is your question? People have different kinds of experiences.

[mobiphones]

Salaams

I know of someone who was travelling the path of tasawwuf and he reached a stage whereby he would see a beautiful light while praying or sitting in his Sheikhs presence or reading the Qur'an. Eventually he lost control of his mind and all the above was lost in terms of ibaadah. He was told eventually that a Jinn had tampered with his eyes and mind. Is there any reference to such phenomenon made in the writings of the sufis.

Jazak Allah

Asalaam Walaykum,

sometimes when a person on the path of tassawuf reaches a state of jazb, they can loose their minds, making them more susceptible to jinni attacks. This also occurs when a mureed developes a wird not prescribed by his/her Sheikh. I too know a person who was afflicted by this condition, it took a great deal of specialized Quranic therapy administered by my Sheikh to get this brother back to normal state.

Stick to the wird prescribed by your sheikh and you should be safe. One thing my sheikh advices us to do when we feel like we are loosing control while in dhikr is senting salawat upon Rasoolullah SAW, and this will bring you back.

I know of no books that deal with this subject, maybe someone else can shed some light on this subject as well.

[MyOwnStyle]

Salams,

The knowledge of tasawwuf which has reached us through many great ulama and awliya throughout the ages is not something foreign to Islam or the Quran and Sunnah. Thus the sufi experience as transmitted to us through books and spiritual sanads, similar to other fields of Islamic knowledge is in accordance to the Quran and sunnah.

Jazak Allah

[MyOwnStyle]

What exactly is your question? People have different kinds of experiences.

The question is whether such things have occured in the past and how one can counter such afflictions.

[LookSe]

I strongly recommend the book ""Kitab al-Ibriz min kalam Sayyidi Abdil-’Aziz (al-Dabbagh)” or “Book of Pure Gold from the statements of Sidi Abdul-Aziz”, collected by the ‘Alim Ahmad ibn Mubarak. ,which is a compilation the sayings of his teacher, the Moroccan wali Abdul Aziz ad Dabbagh.. there is a whole chapter by the title of the openings of light and darkness, that goes in much beneficial detail regarding this subject, where the basirah from Allah, and that of satanic/sensual compilation are analyzed and their states/differentiation explained and how they should be handled..

[MyOwnStyle]

I strongly recommend the book ""Kitab al-Ibriz min kalam Sayyidi Abdil-’Aziz (al-Dabbagh)” or “Book of Pure Gold from the statements of Sidi Abdul-Aziz”, collected by the ‘Alim Ahmad ibn Mubarak. ,which is a compilation the sayings of his teacher, the Moroccan wali Abdul Aziz ad Dabbagh.. there is a whole chapter by the title of the openings of light and darkness, that goes in much beneficial detail regarding this subject, where the basirah from Allah, and that of satanic/sensual compilation are analyzed and their states/differentiation explained and how they should be handled..

Where would I be able to get hold of the book, is it widely available?

[LookSe]

the entire book is available online in arabic and can be accessed here:

http://www.dar-sirr.com/Books/Al-Ibriz.pdf

im not aware for sure if there is a translation of this book, but i read somewhere longtime back that it has been translated into urdu and english as well, if im not mistaken. I would strong suggest to perhaps contact the admin of this site

http://www.zawiyah.org

as they are adherents to one of the Muhammadi/Khidri silsila that flow through sidi abdulaziz ad dabbagh rahimahullah, and perhaps might have a translated copy of al-ibriz or can give more information in this regards

[chppjdf]

وعليكم السلام
There is an English translation of Kitāb al-Ibrīz... of Aḥmad b. al-Mubārak al-Sijilmāsī. The translation was done by John O'Kane and Bernd Radtke: Pure gold from the words of Sayyidī ʿAbd al-ʿAzīz al-Dabbāgh, Leiden: Brill, 2007.

http://www.brill.nl/pure-gold-words-...ziz-al-dabbagh
http://www.scribd.com/doc/33386921/O...ziz-Al-Dabbagh

والسلام

[DEMassteers]

Salaams

I know of someone who was travelling the path of tasawwuf and he reached a stage whereby he would see a beautiful light while praying or sitting in his Sheikhs presence or reading the Qur'an. Eventually he lost control of his mind and all the above was lost in terms of ibaadah. He was told eventually that a Jinn had tampered with his eyes and mind. Is there any reference to such phenomenon made in the writings of the sufis.

Jazak Allah

The path of tasawwuf isn't about reaching stages its about following the Sunnah to the letter.

I strongly suggest that the Salik should contact his Shaykh and the Shaykh should make him STOP and SNAP OUT of whatever he is doing.

What you describe isn't a desired stage of Tasawwuf in any SilSila which I know of but my knowledge is fairly limited.

[Chooriwrocaey]

Salaams

I know of someone who was travelling the path of tasawwuf and he reached a stage whereby he would see a beautiful light while praying or sitting in his Sheikhs presence or reading the Qur'an. Eventually he lost control of his mind and all the above was lost in terms of ibaadah. He was told eventually that a Jinn had tampered with his eyes and mind. Is there any reference to such phenomenon made in the writings of the sufis.

Jazak Allah

It looks like i got a warning for "writing in large red" font which "is considered rude". I apologize to you Taalibul Islam if you considered any of my comments rude. What i was commenting on is your wording which, to me atlest, looks like you dont need Quran and Sunnah just "the writings of the sufis". Surely the deen is complete; anything to do with issuses of spirituality which is halal would have been covered in the Quran and Sunnah. Now if you are looking for something in the Quran and Sunnah surely there is not a prerequisite of being a sufi teach it, is there?

[MyOwnStyle]

Salaams,

I don't see how a simple question seems so complicated to you. If you have the information from any source then provide it otherwise remain silent.

Jazak Allah

[Chooriwrocaey]

Salaams,

I don't see how a simple question seems so complicated to you. If you have the information from any source then provide it otherwise remain silent.

Jazak Allah

Any source? Is the Quran and Sunnah not the only sources a muslims needed? The comment was a bit of naseeha trying to tell you to fear Allah.

[Endatrybeeddy]

Just because someone wants to know about what the writings of sufiya might say on a certain subject doesn't mean they are leaving aside Quran and sunnah as primary sources. Obviously he is referring to those sufiya who base their writings on Quran and sunnah.

[Chooriwrocaey]

Obviously he is referring to those sufiya who base their writings on Quran and sunnah.

It was not that obvious to me, in fact he did not even say that in the 1st post so how was i to know? Does every one not say they are of the Quran and Sunnah i.e. Salafi, Deobandi, Barelwi. Do all three groups, their "writings", follow Quran and Sunnah like they say they do? It would be interesting to contrast Salafi texts with Barelwi ones both SAY they are upon the Quran and Sunnah. Do you see my point?

[Oberjej]

Any source? Is the Quran and Sunnah not the only sources a muslims needed? The comment was a bit of naseeha trying to tell you to fear Allah.

I don't know about you, but most people don't have the background to simply open up the Quran or books of Hadith and find the answers to all their questions. Most of us don't even have a basic knowledge of classical Arabic to understand the Quran. Thus, we rely on the writings of scholars who have toiled to derive the answers and provided them for us in a way we can understand.

So yes, the Quran and Sunnah are the only sources, but there's nothing wrong with reading a book by someone who has elucidated them for you.

[Chooriwrocaey]

I don't know about you, but most people don't have the background to simply open up the Quran or books of Hadith and find the answers to all their questions. Most of us don't even have a basic knowledge of classical Arabic to understand the Quran. Thus, we rely on the writings of scholars who have toiled to derive the answers and provided them for us in a way we can understand.

So yes, the Quran and Sunnah are the only sources, but there's nothing wrong with reading a book by someone who has elucidated them for you.

If you go afew posts back you would see all my responses are about "just using the writings of the sufis". Okay i should of made that post more clear. However in context to which post it was in response to alongside the other posts i made it should show that i was talking about all scholars who follow the Quran and Sunnah and not you or me.

[Optosypoeds]

Bismillah

This is a sign the shaykh isnt a kamil shaykh because he has to know how to fix the state and warn the murid before these things happen. I have had personally experiance with lights/vision. You usually have to inform the shaykh and he will tell you if its truthful or tainted by jinn interference. Many times it is the jinns interfering such as with visions, swirling blue lights etc. Once told to the shaykh the shaykh can close down certain things so you are not able to witness such things and stay normal. Even if the murids doesn't listen he still does certain things for the murid to stay away and gives warning 3 or more times before he lets him do as he likes. I have seen this happening with people simple reciting kalimah in excess amount of times and also with other powerful adhkar.

[MyOwnStyle]

Bismillah

This is a sign the shaykh isnt a kamil shaykh because he has to know how to fix the state and warn the murid before these things happen. I have had personally experiance with lights/vision. You usually have to inform the shaykh and he will tell you if its truthful or tainted by jinn interference. Many times it is the jinns interfering such as with visions, swirling blue lights etc. Once told to the shaykh the shaykh can close down certain things so you are not able to witness such things and stay normal. Even if the murids doesn't listen he still does certain things for the murid to stay away and gives warning 3 or more times before he lets him do as he likes. I have seen this happening with people simple reciting kalimah in excess amount of times and also with other powerful adhkar.

I'd like to know more about what you experienced. Did see an orange light surrounding you and did it have any kind of effect on your eyes? Did it by any chance cause uncontrollable thoughts? and finally, how could it be stopped if it carries on, even without doing any kind of zikr. As far as I know the brother has been experiencing it for three years.

Jazak Allah

[Optosypoeds]

I'd like to know more about what you experienced. Did see an orange light surrounding you and did it have any kind of effect on your eyes? Did it by any chance cause uncontrollable thoughts? and finally, how could it be stopped if it carries on, even without doing any kind of zikr. As far as I know the brother has been experiencing it for three years.

Jazak Allah

I had a few lights .. blue .. green and white. Not all of these are jinn lights they can be sifa lights or malaika. They did not affect my eyes though. Also seeing them like shadow figures and similer like how incino man was .. transparent looking. Depending when they come around .. and what type depends on your thoughts. The ones in clubs etc make ppl think of sexual and other bad things etc. Likewise others can tempt you to do suicide, depression etc. A kamil shaykh is needed for this as a regualr shaykh with ijaza wont be able to handle this. We have tons of jinns come around during dhikr majlis but they dont cause any trouble as the shaykh will scold them if they do cause any trouble or show themselves to the commoners. My suggestion is to take him to a kamil wali to help him solve the problem.