[SHpuntik]

We were in a Turkish Mosque in Germany and the Imam didn't have a Beard but he is the nicest person you could ever see.

We asked for some Tajeed Lessons and he tested us and gave us some tips. The next day he took his Turban off and put it on my head and asked me to lead the Salah and wanted to pray behind me.

I put the Turban back on his head and prayed behind him.

Not every Turkish Imam is evil, I 100% agree. I have met good Imams in Turkey and elsewhere, Masha'Allah.

I prefer Turks over Saudees anyday of the week.

Uncle, I loved your post until the last line. I'm in Madinah right now and I can say for sure that there are many good Saudis. Although some are bad, your statement was useless and makes one have hate in their heart. Please don't be upset with me, I love you for the sake of Allah.

[DevaRextusidis]

Uncle, I loved your post until the last line. I'm in Madinah right now and I can say for sure that there are many good Saudis. Although some are bad, your statement was useless and makes one have hate in their heart. Please don't be upset with me, I love you for the sake of Allah.

I have studied, lived and worked in Saudia and my job required me to travel extensively throughout the country, so unfortunately my views are not based on observations of people of Madina
, alone.

Saudees & Kuwaitees in general are dip-sticks! You have to be blind not to observe that when you are travelling & living through their lands. The counter-arguments that Asians are not Angels etc is not the point here and off course Asians are not Angels.

Also in general Saudees are more punctual of their Salah and general practise of Sunnah.

But Turks are better, more polite and civilised then Saudees of today and I would rather take my chances with Turks at the head of the Ummah then Saudees.

I love you as well for the sake of Allah (SWT) and request your duas.

:- ) Nothing to be upset about my brother and I hope that I didn't upset anybody else. People can say things about Asians all day along and I don't take it in the negative sense, at all. : -)

[Corporal White]

Uncle, I loved your post until the last line. I'm in Madinah right now and I can say for sure that there are many good Saudis. Although some are bad, your statement was useless and makes one have hate in their heart. Please don't be upset with me, I love you for the sake of Allah.

Since you are now in Madinah , you should check this thread and meet those great Sufi Shaykhs.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...h-and-Madeenah

[Corporal White]

I can address some of your questions as I have already done in different occasions on SF.

Regarding the beard
This is one of the Islamic traditions being wiped out from the land since 1924. From this date on, not only beard but also face-veil, jubbah, imamah were wiped out from the brains and minds of people. Muslims undergone severe mass-conditioning regarding all of these issues.

Your explanation might be acceptable for the Turks living in Turkey. But , in Germany I see many Turkish men and also Imams clean-shaven !! Here , there is no ban on beard. Still, you will find very few bearded Turks.

Typically , I have seen more bearded people in Tekke , the Turkish sufi khanqah related to the Naqshabndi Shaykh in Menzil.

But, Turks ,outside such a Tekke , hardly keeps beard even in Germany. So, It quite difficult for me to understand the Turkish people in Germany.

[JTS_tv]

Colonel bro, how did you pray behind him of he had no beard. I thought you were supposed to repeat the salah because in Hanafi madhab its fisq and prayer behind q bearless man wouldnt be valid?

[PetrZimin]

Your explanation might be acceptable for the Turks living in Turkey. But , in Germany I see many Turkish men and also Imams clean-shaven !! Here , there is no ban on beard. Still, you will find very few bearded Turks. But, Turks, outside such a Tekke, hardly keeps beard even in Germany. So, It quite difficult for me to understand the Turkish people in Germany.

Simply because Turkish people have strong kindship and relations to their country; some of them are having double citizenship whish require them to serve in the army - clean shaved.

Apart from that, ongoing condition in Turkey, doesn't easy the situation for scholars. So, if the scholars are beardless, then how would you expect layman adhere to this Sunnah, especially in the West. As for the people of manzil, they are blessed with practicing scholars.

[PetrZimin]

Colonel bro, how did you pray behind him of he had no beard. I thought you were supposed to repeat the salah because in Hanafi madhab its fisq and prayer behind q bearless man wouldnt be valid?

Where exactly did you get this ruling? Because according to our aqidah, salah behind the fasiq, although disliked, is valid.

In some of the masail, wherever there is neccessity, adhering to other madhab is allowed, now how would you consider Hanafi muqallid being a fasiq, just becuase he is not adhering to this ruling within his madhab?

I would also appreciate some scholarly advice. Because this is confusing, here we have hundreds and thousands of Turkish clean-shaved Hanafi scholars. It doesn't sound right to call them fasiq.

[connandoilee]

السلام عليكم,

Brothers, please refrain from making strong statements. The entire Islam is not contained in just whatever we may have read or seen. I remember one brother from Bosnia in our town who gave the adhan turning in a 360º circle, that is with each phrase he would turn a few degrees to his right until he came all the way around in a circle. There was a big fuss made, and he was treated as if he was an ignorant fool, and he was just saying that that is what he has seen in his country. Afterwards someone looked in hedaaya, and lo-and-behold, it mentions that way of giving adhan when calling from a minaret.

The point is, don't start jumping at calling stuff bid'ah and haraam and looking down on others because we lay-people happen to have not heard of something. There are many different rulings for different situations.

I think this post should be reposted as many times as possible to make a clear point. I m giving thoughts to make it as my footnote even. Because we all make this same mistake again and again in every thread.

[OShellszz]

As for the people of manzil, they are blessed with practicing scholars.

Who are the people of manzil?
Wassalam

[PetrZimin]

Who are the people of manzil?
Wassalam

Well, it is a branch of Nakshibandi order, I think named after a village called Menzil in a city of Adiyaman in southeastern Turkey.

[DevaRextusidis]

Colonel bro, how did you pray behind him of he had no beard. I thought you were supposed to repeat the salah because in Hanafi madhab its fisq and prayer behind q bearless man wouldnt be valid?

I made a mistake.

I should have taken the offer and lead the Salah and I realise it later.

[JTS_tv]

Where exactly did you get this ruling? Because according to our aqidah, salah behind the fasiq, although disliked, is valid.

I was told that if a person does not keep the beard, then it is makruh tahrimi to pray behind him and that would mean you have to repeat the salah.

In some of the masail, wherever there is neccessity, adhering to other madhab is allowed, now how would you consider Hanafi muqallid being a fasiq, just becuase he is not adhering to this ruling within his madhab?

Just relaying what I heard, and was hoping for clarification

I would also appreciate some scholarly advice. Because this is confusing, here we have hundreds and thousands of Turkish clean-shaved Hanafi scholars. It doesn't sound right to call them fasiq.

It doesn't sound right but I am told that shaving the beard is fisq and hence the above post

[Emalodoulouts]

I was told that if a person does not keep the beard, then it is makruh tahrimi to pray behind him and that would mean you have to repeat the salah.



Just relaying what I heard, and was hoping for clarification



It doesn't sound right but I am told that shaving the beard is fisq and hence the above post

http://askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?a...76b7e7613cfd53

Seems to indicate that it's valid, just disliked and bad.

[JTS_tv]

http://askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?a...76b7e7613cfd53

Seems to indicate that it's valid, just disliked and bad.

Just to clarify, if there is a picture/drawing/photo of an animate object in the room where I'm praying, that would mean the prayer is makruh but valid as well? Cause I'd read from this forum itself that I would have to repeat it. I might as well get all my questions out there...

Just so confused man

[JeorgeNoxeref]

It depends on whether it is makruh tahrimi or makruh tanzihi. Having animate pictures in front of one is makruh tahrimi, while in other directions is merely makruh tanzihi.

was-salam

[Njxatsbf]

well the muadhdhin of Haramain also sit separately. In Masjid Nabawi, they sit on top of Raudhah with some people.

Well, at least they are with other people. I saw people in Istanbul praying alone (with the jama'ah but physically alone). This can't be right...can it? It's not as if they needed to be at the back with the mic anyway. The mosques I saw this happen in were small enough for the voice to carry to everyone (all 20 of them).

My initial thoughts were that perhaps the guy praying at the back was symbolically guarding the door, and that this was an age-old tradition that had continued to the present day. But I guess this is not the case, based on the explanations in this thread.

[IssuessBratte]

Salam

regarding praying with a picture in front of you. obviously you try to avoid it. but if you're in desperate circumstances or there is nothing you can do about it your salah is valid.

I asked one of Mufti Ebrahim Desai's students (who was a mufti) regarding this because in my high school i was the only muslim and when i prayed dhuhr i had to go to the office and pray. alhamdullillah the vice-principle, and principle were very accommodating and would let me pray in their offices as there was no where else to pray. unfortunately in one of the offices right in the direction of qiblah there was a picture of a farmer tending his ...get this....PIGS.

now i knew praying with an image in front of you was not the proper way to pray, and the fact that there was a pig's image made it that much worse. the Mufti said that regardless the salah offered even with an image in front of me (and that too of a pig) was valid. and that i could continue praying there as there was basicly now where else i could pray in the school.