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04-25-2011, 04:10 PM
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 The Castes in Pakistan
The "high castes" is as follows (all the names are given in language panjabi):
- Jat: Landowners; they add with their first name the name of "Chaudry", "Shima",''Raja'' (it is not systematic). One finds this same caste at Sikhs. - Rajput: Princes, but landowners in great majority. One finds this caste among Hindus. - Arian: The oral tradition said that they are descendants of the army of Ibn Qasim, whose troops had been created in Perse. They are originating in Perse and became with time landowners. One finds this caste only in Panjab. They add with their first name the name of "Chaudry", "Mian", "Mair", sometimes "Khan." - Shaikhs: Tradesmen, they are downward Arabic; they add with their first name the name of "Malik." - Kashmiri: Of origin of Kashmir, they form a caste in Panjab, make various trades as tradesmen, butchers, foremen... They add with their first name the name of "Goal." - Kakayzai: Tradesmen. They add with their first name of name of "Malik." - Qazi: The oral tradition said that they would go down from the Afghan soldiers. They would have since the beginning exerted the function of monk. Currently it is a caste land great landowners; it is very largely represented in the administration and the bureaucracy. They add with their first name the name of "Qureshi". - Pathan: Descendants of pathans, they form a caste in Panjab, they make various trades as civils servant, tradesmen... - Gujar: Herdsmen, and often landowners. The "small castes" is as follows: - Tarhan: Carpenters. - Qamyar: Potters. - Lowar: Will forge. - Kassaļ: Butchers. - Mirassi: Travelling musicians, troubadours. - Mautchi: Shoe-makers. - Tobi: Launderers. - Darzi: Dressmakers. - Jalaye: Tisserands. - Lahari: Dyers. - Mashqi: Water carriers. - Teli: Oilcans. - Balwalai: Messengers. - Naļ: Hairdressers; they are also able to make small operations, they circoncisent the new born ones and are cooks during the festivals and the marriages... - Fakir: They are nourished by people of the districts where they live, in exchange of all kinds of odd jobs (to wash the crockery, to prepare the narghile...). There shouldnt be any castes at ALL !!! We Are All Muslims !!! |
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04-25-2011, 04:25 PM
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 err.. the small castes are all names of profession.. I know many sayids who were in the "lower class" profession. So what does this all mean? and whats the benefit? |
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04-25-2011, 05:25 PM
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Unfortunately, these castes have even been accepted by some of the Ulama, in annuling a marriage contract when the male comes from a lower background. These castes are accepted when one wants to judge whether male is suitable for the woman.
See also Baheshti Zewar by Ml. Ashraf Ali. I do wonder what the situation now would be in the west. A hairdressor (nai) is not anymore frowned upon or someone who design clothes (darzi). Would they still not be compatable? I know many sayids who were in the "lower class" profession. So what does this all mean? and whats the benefit? No matter what low profession a sayyid would do, he could still fall under the kufu' of another sayyid woman. |
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04-25-2011, 07:46 PM
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Unfortunately, these castes have even been accepted by some of the Ulama, in annuling a marriage contract when the male comes from a lower background. These castes are accepted when one wants to judge whether male is suitable for the woman.  sounds ridiculous to me 
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04-25-2011, 07:52 PM
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Thanks to the British colonialists, these castes will never go away...
They were trying to create a class based society, and they partly succeeded. Whilst us Muslims were busy drinking kashmiri chaa in the bazaars. |
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04-25-2011, 08:22 PM
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how does a "sayed" who is not religious work? i find it hard to believe someone with the most noble blood running through their veins can claim to be a sayed yet be devoid of any Sunnah..... can someone please clarify because it makes me so mad when i see this. it's an insult. |
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04-25-2011, 10:01 PM
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my ancestors are supposedly the rajputs!!!
 but i got no land  my wife is a mautchi.............. but i got holes in my shoes 
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04-25-2011, 10:07 PM
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the castes now are based on the occupation of ancestors so even if someone is a doctor today... people may still consider them to be from the 'nai' caste or whatever caste their ancestors were from, and so land owners who are considered to be amongst the higher castes who are nowadays taxi drivers will still consider themselves superior to the doctor 1. Equality in lineage is that the Shaykh, Sayyid, Ansāri, and Alawi are all equal to each other. In other words, although the status of a Sayyid is more than the others, if the daughter of a Sayyid marries a Shaykh boy; it will not be said that she did not marry someone who is of her family relations. Instead, it will also be regarded as if she has married one of her relatives. 2. In matters of lineage, the lineage of the father is considered and not the mother. If the father is a Sayyid, the son is also a Sayyid; and if the father is a Shaykh, the son is also a Shaykh - irrespective of what the mother may be. If a Sayyid marries a woman who is not a Sayyid, their son will be regarded as a Sayyid. This son will be equal in status to all other Sayyids. Although the son whose father and mother are both from a noble family is respected more, according to the Shariah they will all be regarded as relatives or of the same social standing. 3. The Moghuls and Pathans are regarded as one nation and are not of the same class as that of the Sayyids and Shaykhs. If the daughter of a Sayyid or Shaykh gets married with one of them, it will be said that she married someone who is of a lower social standing than her. http://www.jamiaashrafia.org/bahisht...hp?title=NikĀh - Marriage&heading=Equality In Lineage Apparently, some castes were considered "razil." I once opened a topic about this issue: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...8-Caste-system |
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04-26-2011, 12:04 AM
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my ancestors are supposedly the rajputs!!!
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04-26-2011, 12:15 AM
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What does that make your kids....half cast?? im indian and my wife is a paki! |
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04-26-2011, 12:24 AM
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What does that make your kids....half cast?? no .. rajputs + mautchi the kid becomes "mauputs".. I think thats where Colonel Hardstone always brings Muppets from |
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04-26-2011, 01:01 AM
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Where is colonel Hardstone? for a long time I haven't seen his post.
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04-26-2011, 01:13 AM
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Kufu , Sayyid, Ansāri, and ‘Alawi case are exception. The cast/tribe system had been negatively used
I was told by one of the brother in masjid that he had to wait years to get married because his parents were not willing to get him married out side their cast. Silly No harm in being just as an identity but this is used as the pride, takabbur, arrogance, which is clearly a sin (disease of the heart) The one who has taqwa is closer to Allah. With due respect to Sayyids, I have seen few who are far from the teachings of Islam and most are practicing Razza Khani things. I heard a senior mufti sahib saying he once asked his student who claimed to be Sayyid to bring the family tree. when he looked and discussed it was found that one of their ancestor gave bayt to sayyid Sheikh and since then they started calling themselves sayyid. |
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04-26-2011, 06:11 PM
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 you guys are to much
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04-27-2011, 03:34 AM
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wait it gets better....... As the British say, "Divide and conquer!" |
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04-27-2011, 07:26 AM
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And the opposite gender would be rajputs + mautchi = ratchi 
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04-27-2011, 08:38 AM
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Salam
is this caste system just isolated to india and eastern pakistan (i.e. punjab not bangladesh)? cos ive spent a little time in pakhtunkhwa but never heard of it before. tribes and clans sure the western areas are all about tribalism but ive never heard of this caste systems before (among muslims at least). i always thought it was just some hindu thing. like i know we have an upper/middle class "educated" minority and an "lower class" majority but i thought that was more economic and political than it was cultural. |
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04-28-2011, 05:29 AM
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Its worse in Bangladesh, they have chadhurys etc there too...
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