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04-13-2011, 10:25 PM | #21 |
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Slm, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0trElMCi4o As for the Murabitun, they focus very strongly on presenting Islam as the alternative to capitalism and democracy. Also, they tend to be very knowledgeable on western philosophy and history and use reference points that western Muslims are familiar with. Also, so far as I can tell, they are probably the largest group of converts in the western world. Their organizational skills are very admirable. |
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04-14-2011, 05:01 AM | #22 |
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As-salamu ´alaykum wa rahmatu'Llah,
I think that if you come from a background filled with discourses of an intellectual nature, you will be looking for a framework that encompasses that. Most local imams or murshids fail to encompass the finer points of philosophy, sociology, or even history and politics. Rather they stay within the comfort of the tradition of their ancestors. This is not to disrespect anyone, but if you do not come from that background it may be hard to feel at home. Similarly it may be hard for a lot of traditional Indo-Pakistanis to feel at home within the framework of the Murabitun. And it's all fine as long as it is within the limits of the Shari´ah. The monetary system that has been forced upon us is batil according to most classical and acceptable definitions. They are working towards the monetary system of the Sunnah, this cannot be but commendable. Inshaa' Allah, once we have a valid monetary system to base our transactions on, we can also pay a Zakat that is considered valid and obligatory. Remember Zakat is a pillar. They are doing tajdid of a pillar! They are also active in building an alternative society. Just look at Norwich, where the community has an Amir, a Qadi etc. While in the UK half of the (practising) Muslims are basically duped into thinking the Liberal Democrats are a decent substitute for an Amir. Do I agree with the Murabitun on everything? No I do not. But I do give credit where credit is due. wassalam |
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04-14-2011, 03:52 PM | #23 |
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Bismillah Jzk for sharing your views, some stuff for me to ponder over... |
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04-15-2011, 12:47 AM | #24 |
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04-15-2011, 02:38 PM | #25 |
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04-15-2011, 02:59 PM | #26 |
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04-15-2011, 05:54 PM | #27 |
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Slm, Our brother Nomadic answered your question. You don't have to follow the madh'hab of Imam Malik. If you are on Facebook, it is very easy to contact Imam Abdassamad Clarke, who you can forward any questions that you don't feel we fuqara can answer. Ma` as-salaamah, Junaid Ibn Ahmed |
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04-15-2011, 06:08 PM | #28 |
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Bismillah Ma sha Allah. Ma` as-salaamah, Junaid Ibn Ahmed |
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04-15-2011, 06:11 PM | #29 |
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How accomodating of other views of the other madhabs are they(the murabitun).
I think it should be encouraged where different scholars do collaborate and share and mix with other scholars with other organisations. Sometimes,there is too much of a us and them mentality. I think though,like many deobandis, I would find that situation that is on the opening page of the site(men and women sitting in such a manner)uncomfortable. |
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04-15-2011, 06:15 PM | #30 |
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How accomodating of other views of the other madhabs are they(the murabitun). Interesting reflection. I agree. Yeah, I think many would, but one can see that the gathering is clearly segregated with women on one side, and men on another. Also, that kind of arrangement only happens during classes (of fiqh or`aqidah, etc.), which makes it easier for women to ask questions and not have to struggle to listen from up in the women's area. Ma` as-salaamah, Junaid Ibn Ahmed |
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04-15-2011, 06:19 PM | #31 |
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I am not sure what you mean by 'accommodating' - there are people in our amirates, and amongst our gatherings (which as usually open) who follow different madhahib. But the infamous thread of the murabitun and their view of the niqab would I feel turn alot of deobandi scholars away from them. |
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04-15-2011, 06:37 PM | #32 |
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I think it was more than a disagreement. but, I don't want to dwell on that. Just making the valid point of why collaboration does not happen on a wider scale.
I do think its a shame as I believe there are some really really good scholars out there, from other schools, who could offer alot to the deobandi flock. Not in terms of fiqh,but in many other issues. and of course vice versa. How is life for muslims in norwich? normal to see men in the long thawbs and women in their abayas/jilbabs(never know what the things are called!)? I think its healthy for Muslims to sample how other Muslim communities live. Might have to pop into norwich one day inshallah. Nomadic,how has this friend adjusted to being a murid of shaykh saleem whilst also obviously having a connection to the murabitun? How does he handle the varying views of each stance on various issues. If this friend is/was married, and his wife was in niqab, how would they handle the massive difference in opinion? Lets face it,it was not a difference of opinion that the murabitun had against the niqab but a very very strong view against it with some harsh language. |
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04-15-2011, 07:07 PM | #33 |
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Mashallah he is coping well. his wife is of middleastern origin follwoing hanafi fiqh. She does not wear niqab and my friend says she is aware of the rules of hijab but can't force it upon her. It is her perogative. He is studying the Sufi Hadith under the guidance of Shaikh Saleem. I was surprised when he said he is a mureed as I was quiet apprehensive about Shaikh Saleems strict approach. It seems my friend really likes Shaikh saleem. He has read quiet a lot of their publication. I think Imam Abdassamads stance on that is very pragmatic and practical. Sometimes, the outer aspects are given so much importance(to a new revert) that the inner aspects of faith,belief are put to the side and when the excitement dies down of being a revert, doubts start to appear as the foundation was weak. Also, if a person makes to many outer changes too quickly, he might find it hard to adapt amongst family and friends and thus more obstacles may come which could have been handled differently. See this is where people such as Imam Abdassammad could play a key role within other communities who do not have many reverts and thus may not know how to handle the situation. |
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04-15-2011, 09:42 PM | #34 |
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Thats exactly what I mean due to deobandi's having a 'strict' stance on certain issues and if one is also involved heavily with other groups,it could cause confusion. Mashallah that is great that your friend is enjoying the company of shaykh saleem. Often, the new recruit wants to get fit in with the group as soon as possible . So , he quickly acquire all the outer aspects of the group while remaining weak internally . To make the situation worse , the old group members think that the new recruit has fully embraced all the aspects of the group and start praising the new recruit without checking his foundation !! Then what do you expect ? Burn-out , of course. Members are leaving the group even after 10 years !! So , the age-old wisdom is that , make the basics strong ,make the root strongly embedded in the soil. Then the outer aspects , colorful flowers and petals , juicy fruits --all will come up in due time. |
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04-20-2011, 04:53 PM | #35 |
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Are silver coins also available in Germany ? |
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04-21-2011, 10:05 PM | #36 |
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04-21-2011, 10:17 PM | #37 |
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Slm, Sidi Riyaaz, the Murabitun isn't a club whereby one must meet certain criteria in order to be part of our work which is an effort to establish the Deen, in its entirety, in this time. To put it simply; yes you can I would advise you to go to the Jumu`a Mosque of Cape Town and speak to Imam Habib Bewley. Ma` as-salaamah, Junaid Ibn Ahmed |
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04-21-2011, 10:22 PM | #38 |
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04-23-2011, 03:52 AM | #39 |
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Bismilalh I mean , paper representation of the wealth can lead to great financial debacle if proper safety checks are not implemented. Where there is no Islamic government , then who will implement those safety checks ? So, I think , insistance on gold/silver seems to be full of great wisdom and pragmatic caution. Would you please give us any web link of GF Hadad' view ? |
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04-23-2011, 08:01 AM | #40 |
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Jzk for clearing this up (you do get 'exclusive clubs' in Islaam), I am no longer residing in Cape Town, I am in JHB. --------------------------- http://robertluongo.blogspot.com/201...mian-past.html There is The Book Of Strangers, published in 1972, a novel that is about the search for knowledge and the awakening to Islam told in the form of a semi-autobiographical parable (Pantheon Books). There is Letter To An African Muslim (1981), which helped inspire a whole generation of South Africans to enter Islam at a time when apartheid still restricted the options available to most blacks. Shaykh Abdalqadir was the only white European who could freely walk the streets of Soweto, although the Apartheid regime banned both him and his book. --------------------------- I would like to know if there is any interaction between him and the Deobandi scholars in South Africa. |
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