[ebonytipchik]

Assalaamoalaykum-w-w
ok guys and dolls if i may I need your opinion on something silly i suppose and i shall use your opinions on a writeup i need.
Long long long our parents migrated here and introduced urdu
1. now this continues in madressa like crazy
2. they say if you stop this then your culture is gone!
3. they still continue bringing urdu speaking and teaching ulama from the sub continent
4. It is taboo to even start discussing replacement
5. "if you learn arabic then you will start making tafseer and thats dangerous"
6. people dont even know what they are praying in salaah even after 50 years of praying salaah... and nooo! dont even go there...!!!!
now i need some insight not something like dont worry everything will be fine over time or yes introduce arabic etc..... please give me some input... i dont ask for much but when i do i need your input please.... May Allah reward you all!

[DongoSab]

wswrwb-

I think everyone agrees that arabic is more important than urdu, and essential if you want any advanced understanding of Islam, but...
urdu is is important for 2 reasons:
1. who are your kids going to marry? If you don't speak urdu, your potential matches is severely reduced
2. how you going to communicate with relatives?

[babopeddy]

if you learn Arabic you will understand the meaning of the Quraan, and you can not do this by your self, you need to learn it from learned scholars. So that will not be considered as 'making your own tafseer'

[tearidrusydet]

Assalaamoalaykum-w-w
ok guys and dolls if i may I need your opinion on something silly i suppose and i shall use your opinions on a writeup i need.
Long long long our parents migrated here and introduced urdu
1. now this continues in madressa like crazy
2. they say if you stop this then your culture is gone!
3. they still continue bringing urdu speaking and teaching ulama from the sub continent
4. It is taboo to even start discussing replacement
5. "if you learn arabic then you will start making tafseer and thats dangerous"
6. people dont even know what they are praying in salaah even after 50 years of praying salaah... and nooo! dont even go there...!!!!
now i need some insight not something like dont worry everything will be fine over time or yes introduce arabic etc..... please give me some input... i dont ask for much but when i do i need your input please.... May Allah reward you all!

Oh that's just SO dangerous right

From my experience all the horrible Tafseers come from people who are Ignorant in Arabic.

[Ruiceara]

I would say learn both languages.

[ebonytipchik]

Oh that's just SO dangerous right

From my experience all the horrible Tafseers come from people who are Ignorant in Arabic.

Assalaamoalaykum-w-w
7. "you need to be proficient in some 12-14 rules of Arabic mastery and Quranic maarifat before you can be qualified to be making tafseer"

[ebonytipchik]

I would say learn both languages.

Assalaamoalaykum-w-w
why? But... you do not really read any books in urdu after madressa....

[beckercpa]

I have many relatives in India/Pakistan and, as I can speak my mother and fathers languages, whenever I go to see my relatives I can communicate with them. My parents have passed away and I married after they passed away and though my wife can speak Urdu, at home we just use English. I took my daughter & son on holiday to meet my relatives but cleary they were limited in their communication skills. I have tried to teach my children at least Urdu but as it's not spoken at home it's almost impossible. I find this rather sad now.
So to me it's about being to able to communicate with your wider family and as Islam places a strong emphasis on kinship I guess it's important. Clearly knowing Arabic is important too. So now my chidren go to Arabic & Urdu classes.
Also having seen how easily things can change in the world you never know when you might have to leave where you are and return to where you came from.

[mincbiori]

Assalaamoalaykum-w-w
why? But... you do not really read any books in urdu after madressa....

I disagree. There are loads of books in Urdu that are filled with knowledge. Personally I regret not being able to completely understand Urdu, because I can't understand most of the books my husband has. There's loads of ash'aar in Urdu as well that sound horrible unfortunately when translated. I personally think a person should learn as many languages as possible when young.

[jPNy2BP5]

Come to India, we are the world's leading experts in killing Urdu.

[Edqpdnuu]

Assalamu alaykum

Long long long our parents migrated here and introduced urdu
1. now this continues in madressa like crazy
2. they say if you stop this then your culture is gone!
3. they still continue bringing urdu speaking and teaching ulama from the sub continent
4. It is taboo to even start discussing replacement
5. "if you learn arabic then you will start making tafseer and thats dangerous"
6. people dont even know what they are praying in salaah even after 50 years of praying salaah... and nooo! dont even go there...!!!!
now i need some insight not something like dont worry everything will be fine over time or yes introduce arabic etc..... please give me some input... i dont ask for much but when i do i need your input please.... May Allah reward you all! 2. they say if you stop this then your culture is gone! We don't know whether in your family any elders are using urdu or atleast they have the knowledge of urdu.

5. "if you learn arabic then you will start making tafseer and thats dangerous" Many people who can't read arabic have started doing tafseer of quran by reading translation of quran in english

6. people dont even know what they are praying in salaah even after 50 years of praying salaah... and nooo! dont even go there...!!!! Many non-arabs who can speak Arabic fluently can't translate the arabic of Quran. Yes, if they are aware of the meaning of the verses they can what word is used for where.

Now if you stop bringing urdu speaking teachers, what is plan for future, where from the teachers will come.

[jPNy2BP5]

Now if you stop bringing urdu speaking teachers, what is plan for future, where from the teachers will come.

The idea is that in Arabic the chain will be self-sustaining.

[gennickhif]

Assalaamoalaykum-w-w
ok guys and dolls if i may I need your opinion on something silly i suppose and i shall use your opinions on a writeup i need.
Long long long our parents migrated here and introduced urdu
1. now this continues in madressa like crazy
2. they say if you stop this then your culture is gone!
3. they still continue bringing urdu speaking and teaching ulama from the sub continent
4. It is taboo to even start discussing replacement
5. "if you learn arabic then you will start making tafseer and thats dangerous"
6. people dont even know what they are praying in salaah even after 50 years of praying salaah... and nooo! dont even go there...!!!!
now i need some insight not something like dont worry everything will be fine over time or yes introduce arabic etc..... please give me some input... i dont ask for much but when i do i need your input please.... May Allah reward you all!

Learn both youll become Shaikh ul Ajam wal Arab.

[Edqpdnuu]

The idea is that in Arabic the chain will be self-sustaining.

Can you please explain.

[jPNy2BP5]

Can you please explain.

If they switch over to Arabic then they do not have to continuously import teachers.

[Sierabiera]

Assalaamoalaykum-w-w
7. "you need to be proficient in some 12-14 rules of Arabic mastery and Quranic maarifat before you can be qualified to be making tafseer"

That's why you learn Arabic with good Ulama and not in a Uni thru some western style or something; Arabic courses should intrroduce students to Tafseer so they understand how it's done and explain to them the rules of it etc. so they can understand its reality and the purpose for which theyre learning Arabic i.e. to be able to do tadabbur over the ayaat and understand books of Hadeeth and tafaseer. Look at Shariah Program for example. Just learning it doesnt necessarily mean theyll start doing tafseer, rather it could be a deterrent once they understand the deepness of the Qur'an and the language itself . In fact not knowing arabic and then relying translations to understand it is a greater problem.
Being deprived of Arabic is a huge problem among ppl of Ind/Pak/Bengali origin.

[dgdhgjjgj]

Not necessarily; Ajam isnt only India and Pakistan

yes, you may learn farsi as well.. Infact learn as many languages as one can. Its just that there are many treasures in Arabic, Urdu and Farsi..

[ebonytipchik]

yes, you may learn farsi as well.. Infact learn as many languages as one can. Its just that there are many treasures in Arabic, Urdu and Farsi..

Assalaamoalaykum-w-w
Jk for the responses. I am talking about total eradication of Urdu. I would have thought, instead of sentimental responses, someone would have talked about how whole societies have been affected. Someone said learn both languages or many. I am talking about children in Madresa who dont have time.
Seriuosly though, If given the choice of only one language, what would people want their children to learn..... I am for Arabic totally....

[Klissineopar]

Assalaamoalaykum-w-w
Jk for the responses. I am talking about total eradication of Urdu. I would have thought, instead of sentimental responses, someone would have talked about how whole societies have been affected. Someone said learn both languages or many. I am talking about children in Madresa who dont have time.
Seriuosly though, If given the choice of only one language, what would people want their children to learn..... I am for Arabic totally....

salaam
bro i am curious to know wats ur reason 4 choosing arabic ,i will appreciate it if ur answer pertains to the world nd not the usual that arabic is the language of jannah . shukran

[dgdhgjjgj]

Assalaamoalaykum-w-w
Jk for the responses. I am talking about total eradication of Urdu. I would have thought, instead of sentimental responses, someone would have talked about how whole societies have been affected. Someone said learn both languages or many. I am talking about children in Madresa who dont have time.
Seriuosly though, If given the choice of only one language, what would people want their children to learn..... I am for Arabic totally....

But still, why limit the choice? I mean we are learning english as well. While every Alim knows basic english he is still targeted the pulp out of him because he cannot speak eloquently as a khateeb. We have those threads on SF too.

So if the Alim can learn Arabic, as well as urdu sufficient enough to utilize urdu materials to increase in his knowledge, then that is more than sufficient. Add farsi to it, nurun ala nur.

Arabic is a must for alim anyway, so there is no question about it.

Along with this, if he can learn the local languages of his area, i.e different dialects etc. that is an aid for his da'wah work.