[colmedindustry]

What is Your view about the Green Dome above the Prophets Grave?

[Saispapedlimi]

You shouldn't build anything on top of a grave as far as I am aware.

[colmedindustry]

bump ^

[virtuah]

You shouldn't build anything on top of a grave as far as I am aware.

Hadhrat Shaykh Zulfiqar Ahmad Naqshbandi hafidhahullah says:
Some people in India would wear green shoes with much zeal and eagerness and they still do. However, Hadhrat Maulana Qasim Nanautwi (ra) did not wear these kind of shoes his whole life. If they were given to him as a gift, he would refrain from wearing them.

[He would refrain) only because the dome of the Prophet's (sallahu 'alayhi wasallam) Mosque was coloured Green. How could he then wear the same coloured shoes on his feet?

Hadhrat Maulana Sayyad Husain Ahmad Madni (ra) said regarding Hadhrat Maulana Qasim Nanautwi (ra), ''He did not wear green coloured shoes his whole life because this was the colour of the dome [situated] above the [Prophet's (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam)] blessed Qabr (resting place.) If he was ever given these as a gift, he would pass them on to someone else.”

During the time when Hadhrat Maulana Qasim Nanautwi (ra) had left for Haj, when they reached a few miles away from Madinah, he began to walk bare-foot. His conscience did not permit him to walk while wearing shoes (on the blessed land of Madinah, where the Prophet’s (sallallahu ‘alayhi wasallam) feet may have fallen.) This was despite the fact that there was an abundance of sharp and pointy pebbles/stones.

Hadhrat Maulana Sayyad Manazir Ahsan Gilani (ra) narrates from Maulana Hakeem Mansoor Ali khan sahib, who was Hadhrat Nanautwi’s travel companion, that, ”the late Maulana [Qasim Nanautwi] began walking bare-foot a few miles aways from Madinah, in the darkness of the night and reached Madinah [in this state.]

Khutbaat-e-Faqeer, Volume 7, Pages 173-174

http://zakariyya.wordpress.com/?s=green+dome

Jayse hi sabz gumbad nazar aayega, zindagi ka qareena badal jayega..........

[eFDMBwKH]

What is Your view about the Green Dome above the Prophets Grave?

....there is a video of Maulana Tariq Jameel in which he explains the incident when the Najdi Ulema had wanted to remove the dome and Maulana Shabbir Ahmed Usmani debated with them and the king ruled in the favour of keeping the green dome....I cant find the video now, if I do i will post it...

[eFDMBwKH]

......I found it, for those who can understand Urdu

http://www.youtube.com/user/naveedis...10/-W-7fXA6o_w

[colmedindustry]

Salamualaycium , Abu , The 'Kid' Is Back . So you Mean the Shaykh that SHaykh Zulfiqar Ahmed Naqshbandi mentions is saying that your should respect the dome of Masjid An Nabawi?

[tearidrusydet]

السلام عليكم

It should be demolished in a proper way.

[tearidrusydet]

There is no point in doing so. It's not exactly a cause for bid'ah so leave it how it is.

In addition to that, Demolishing it will cause one Hell of a Fitnah...but

I try to think "What would Rassul-Allah SAWS want", according to the narrations he would want it removed, if he were alive he'd order us to remove it, No problem there, nobody would disagree...but he's not here anymore, only his Sunnah remains... problem is you have to convince them that the prophet PBUH did say this and they will refuse you and all that you say, they might resort to "No no no All of these Hadiths are weak" OR "Could the nation have been wrong for the past 700 years!?"... My answer is yes we could have been wrong for the past 700 years, I mean look at us today as a nation.. We wouldn't be in this ridiculous state if we haven't been making mistakes over long periods of time...

If this Bida'ah Dome is removed there will be a lot of killing.

[UTHZzJ6f]

How often do we walk on green grass?

[Noilemaillilm]

How often do we walk on green grass?

Walaikum Salam,

Good question.

[tearidrusydet]

I remind you the dome was blue before it was painted green.

[ringsarcle]

In addition to that, Demolishing it will cause one Hell of a Fitnah...but

I try to think "What would Rassul-Allah SAWS want", according to the narrations he would want it removed, if he were alive he'd order us to remove it, No problem there, nobody would disagree...but he's not here anymore, only his Sunnah remains... problem is you have to convince them that the prophet PBUH did say this and they will refuse you and all that you say, they might resort to "No no no All of these Hadiths are weak" OR "Could the nation have been wrong for the past 700 years!?"... My answer is yes we could have been wrong for the past 700 years, I mean look at us today as a nation.. We wouldn't be in this ridiculous state if we haven't been making mistakes over long periods of time...

If this Bida'ah Dome is removed there will be a lot of killing.

sidi, do you also think that the kaaba should also be rebuilt in the state that rasoolullah wished it to be?

And are you aware of the reason it hasn't been?

[cafeviahe]

sidi, do you also think that the kaaba should also be rebuilt in the state that rasoolullah wished it to be?

And are you aware of the reason it hasn't been?

There is proof in the narrations that the Ka'ba should not be rebuild and changed, as also mentioned by the Salaf.

What proof is there for the green dome, which came centuries later? And why would there be any problem to remove it, as a part of a renovation project? It was not present in the time of the salaf.

[ValdisSeroff]

Wasn't the Prophet buried inside a building to begin with? What's the problem if that building now has another building above it? I think at the very least Prayers should be disallowed from being made anywhere under the dome and that the domed area should somehow be seperated from the rest of the Mosque, turned into like its own seperate building maybe?

[UTHZzJ6f]

"Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

The history of the green dome

The dome over the grave of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) dates back to the seventh century AH. It was built during the reign of Sultan Qalawoon, and at first it was the colour of wood, then it became white, then blue, then green, and it has remained green until the present.

Professor ‘Ali Haafiz (may Allaah preserve him) said:

There was no dome over the sacred chamber. There was in the roof of the mosque above the chamber a waist-high enclosure of brick to distinguish the location of the chamber from the rest of the mosque’s roof.

Sultaan Qalawoon al-Saalihi was the first one to build a dome over the chamber. He did that in 678 AH. It was square at the bottom and octagonal at the top, made of wood, and built on top of the pillars that surrounded the chamber. Planks of wood were nailed to it, over which plates of lead were placed, and the brick enclosure was replaced with one made of wood.

The dome was refurbished at the time of al-Naasir Hasan ibn Muhammad Qalawoon, then the leaden plates slipped, but they were fixed and refurbished at the time of al-Ashraf Sha’baan ibn Husayn ibn Muhammad in 765 AH. It fell into disrepair and was renovated at the time of Sultaan Qayit Bey in 881 AH.

The chamber and dome were burned in the fire that swept through the Prophet’s mosque in 886 AH. During the reign of Sultaan Qayit Bey the dome was rebuilt, in 887 AH, and strong pillars to support it were built in the floor of the mosque, and they were built of bricks to the correct height. After the dome had been built in the manner described above, cracks appeared in its upper part. When it proved impossible to refurbish it, the Sultaan Qayit Bey ordered that the upper part be demolished and rebuilt strongly using white plaster. So it was built solidly in 892 AH.

In 1253 AH, an order was issued by the Ottoman Sultan ‘Abd al-Hameed to paint the dome green. He was the first one to colour it green, and the colour has been renewed whenever necessary until the present.

It became known as the green dome after it was painted green. It was previously known as the white dome or the fragrant dome or the blue dome. End quote.

Fusool min Tareekh al-Madeenah al-Munawwarah by ‘Ali Haafiz (p. 127, 128).

Secondly:

Rulings thereon

The scholars, both in the past and in modern times, criticized the building of this dome and its being given a colour. All of that is because of what they know of sharee’ah closing many doors for fear of falling into shirk.

These scholars include the following:

1 – al-San’aani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Ta-theer al-I’tiqaad:

If you say: A great dome has been built over the grave of the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), costing a great deal of money, I say: This is in fact great ignorance of the situation, because this dome was not built by him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or by his Sahaabah or by those who followed them, or by those who followed the Taabi’een, or by the scholars and imams of the ummah. Rather this dome was built over his grave (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) on the orders of one of the later kings of Egypt, namely the Sultan Qalawoon al-Saalihi who is known as King Mansoor, in 678 AH, and was mentioned in Tahqeeq al-Nasrah bi Talkhees Ma’aalim Dar al-Hijrah. These are things that were done on the orders of the state and not on the basis of shar’i evidence. End quote.

2 – The scholars of the Standing Committee for Issuing Fatwas were asked:

There are those who take the building of the green dome over the Prophet’s grave in the Prophet’s Mosque as evidence that it is permissible to build domes over other graves, such as those of the righteous and others. Is this argument correct or what should our response to them be?

They replied:

It is not correct to quote the fact that people built a dome over the grave of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) as evidence that it is permissible to build domes over the graves of the righteous dead and others, because those people’s building a dome over his grave (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was haraam and those who did it sinned thereby, because they went against what is proven in a report from Abu’l-Hayaaj al-Asadi who said: ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with him) said to me: Shall I not send you on the same mission as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent me? Do not leave any image without erasing it or any high grave without levelling it.

And it was narrated that Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade plastering over graves, or sitting on them or building over them. Both reports were narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh. So it is not correct for anyone to quote the haraam action of some people as evidence that it is permissible to do similar haraam actions, because it is not permissible to go against the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by citing the words or actions of anyone else. And because he is the one who conveyed the command from Allaah, and he is the one who is to be obeyed, and we must beware of going against his commands, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) gives you, take it; and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it)” [al-Hashr 59:7].

And there are other verses which enjoin obedience to Allaah and to His Messenger. And because building up graves and erecting domes over them are means that lead to associating their occupants with Allaah, and the means that lead to shirk must be blocked. End quote.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Qa’ood.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (9/83, 84)

3 – The scholars of the Standing Committee also said:

There is no proof in the fact that a dome was set up over the Prophet’s grave for those who take it as an excuse for building domes of the graves of the awliya’ (“saints”) and righteous people, because the building of a dome over his grave was not done on his instructions and was not done by any of his companions (may Allaah be pleased with them), or by the Taabi’een, or by any of the imams of guidance in the early generations whom the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) testified were good. Rather it was done by people of bid’ah (innovation). It was proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever introduces anything into this matter of ours that is not part of it will have it rejected.” And it was proven that ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said to Abu’l-Hayaaj: Shall I not send you on the same mission as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent me? Do not leave any image without erasing it or any high grave without levelling it. Narrated by Muslim. As it is not proven that he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) built a dome over his grave, and it is not proven from any of the leading imams; rather what is proven shows that to be an invalid action, and no Muslim should feel any attachment to the action of innovators who built a dome over the grave of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). End quote.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azzez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Qa’ood

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (2/264, 265).

4 – Shaykh Shams al-Deen al-Afghaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

al-‘Allaamah al-Khajandi (1379 AH) said, discussing the history of the green dome that was built over the grave of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and explaining that it is an innovation that was done by some sultans and ignorant persons who erred and made a mistake, and that it is contrary to the clear saheeh ahaadeeth and reflects ignorance of the Sunnah, and that they went to extremes and imitated the Christians who are confused and misguided:

It should be noted that until the year 678 AH, there was no dome over the chamber which contains the grave of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), rather it was built by the king al-Zaahir al-Mansoor Qalawoon al-Saalihi in that year (678 AH), when this dome was built.

I say: He did that because he had seen in Egypt and Syria the adorned churches of the Christians, so he imitated them out of ignorance of the command and Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as al-Waleed imitated them by adorning the mosque, as was mentioned in Wafa’ al-Wafa’.

It should be noted that undoubtedly this action of Qalawoon was contrary to the saheeh ahaadeeth of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), but ignorance is a great calamity and exaggeration in love and veneration is a real disaster, and imitation of foreigners is a fatal disease. We seek refuge with Allaah from ignorance and exaggeration and imitation of foreigners. End quote.

Juhood ‘Ulama’ al-Hanafiyyah fi Ibtaal ‘Aqaa’id al-Qubooriyyah (3/1660-1662).

Thirdly:

The reason why it has not been demolished:

The scholars have explained the shar’i rulings concerning the building of this dome and its obvious effects on the followers of bid’ah’ who have developed an attachment to this structure and its colour, and they praise and venerate it a great deal in their poetry and writings. Now it is up to the authorities to implement these fatwas, and this is nothing to do with the scholars.

The reason why it is not demolished is so as to ward off fitnah and for fear that it may lead to chaos among the ordinary people and the ignorant. Unfortunately the ordinary people have only reached this level of veneration towards this dome because of the leadership of misguided scholars and imams of innovation. They are the ones who incite the ordinary people against the land of the Two Holy Sanctuaries and its ‘aqeedah and its manhaj. They are very upset about many actions that are in accordance with sharee’ah in our view and contrary to innovation in their view.

Whatever the case, the shar’i ruling is quite clear, and the fact that this dome has not been demolished does not mean that it is permissible to build it or any dome over any grave, no matter what grave it is.

Shaykh Saalih al-‘Usaymi (may Allaah preserve him) said:

The fact that this dome has remained for eight centuries does not mean that it has become permissible, and being silent about it does not indicate approval of it or that it is permissible. Rather the Muslim authorities should remove it and put it back as it was at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). They should remove the dome and the adornments and engravings that are found in the mosques, above all the Prophet’s Mosque, so long as that will not lead to an even greater fitnah. If it would lead to an even greater fitnah, then the ruler should postpone the matter until he finds an opportunity for that. End quote.

Bida’ al-Quboor, Anwaa’uha wa ahkaamuha (p. 253).

And Allaah knows best.

(taken from Islamqa)

[Jenisoisy]

AA

Maulana Shabbir Ahmed Usmani, Molana tariq jameel & Sheikh Zulfiqar Ahmad naqshbandi etc have more knowledge and taqwa than any one else participating in the thread.
These kind of argumentative discussion is no real benefit but unfortunately these have been practiced by particular individuals on SF. Sorry...

I would refer to the reconstruction of Kaba and leaving hateem area unbuild to avoide the fitna.

Allah knows the best.

WS

[UTHZzJ6f]

AA

Maulana Shabbir Ahmed Usmani, Molana tariq jameel & Sheikh Zulfiqar Ahmad naqshbandi etc have more knowledge and taqwa than any one else participating in the thread.

WS

WS.

How did you come to know that?

[autolubitelone]

What is Your view about the Green Dome above the Prophets Grave?

Bro

I can understand you started this thread with good intentions, but unfortunately, judging from the replies we all can see where this is going. Lots of copy pasting of evidence and mocking and insulting others and pointless nitpicking. This trend ought to stop in this forum.

Next time we start a thread, think hard if it has the possibility to turn into a pointless discussion and debate. And if it has the possibility, we should refrain from posting the thread.

[ringsarcle]

There is proof in the narrations that the Ka'ba should not be rebuild and changed, as also mentioned by the Salaf.

What proof is there for the green dome, which came centuries later? And why would there be any problem to remove it, as a part of a renovation project? It was not present in the time of the salaf.

I wasn't looking for a debate I was just asking the brother's opinion.

Anyway, you are right.