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Old 04-11-2011, 09:47 PM   #1
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Default Sheikh Nazim Haqqani Warning!
http://www.sufilive.com/Address_to_J...-3377.html?rss
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Old 04-11-2011, 10:33 PM   #2
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the warning should be to stay away from this fake sufi.
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Old 04-11-2011, 10:49 PM   #3
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Who would you say is a real sufi just out of curiosity?
Why is he fake I have heard many good things about Sheikh Nazim and even know of a few people who have been in his company and I have heard so much good that I was considering looking into Sheikh Nazim? .. What makes him so fake?
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Old 04-11-2011, 10:58 PM   #4
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dancing from 11:20

http://www.sufilive.com/Friday_Hadrah-3379.html
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Old 04-11-2011, 11:00 PM   #5
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Who would you say is a real sufi just out of curiosity?
Why is he fake I have heard many good things about Sheikh Nazim and even know of a few people who have been in his company and I have heard so much good that I was considering looking into Sheikh Nazim? .. What makes him so fake?
a real sufi follows the quran and the sunnah to the letter or at least makes an effort to.
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Old 04-11-2011, 11:09 PM   #6
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music played by a non-mehram in his presence....

http://www.sufilive.com/Musical_Perf...liya-3346.html
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Old 04-11-2011, 11:10 PM   #7
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music played by a non-mehram in his presence....

http://www.sufilive.com/Musical_Perf...liya-3346.html
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Old 04-12-2011, 12:56 AM   #8
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I was considering looking into Sheikh Nazim? .. What makes him so fake?
Dont let him whisper your private life at night:

We – the Shaykhs of the Naqshbandī order – can hear and feel the movements of our murids, no matter what they are doing, as loud as if we heard thunder!” And he said: “Keep respect when you are sleeping in bed with your wife, because we are hearing and seeing everything.” http://www.naqshbandi.org/suhba/shmk...the_shaykh.htm
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Old 04-12-2011, 02:03 AM   #9
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Astaghfirullah !

May Allah give you hidayah - AAMEEN !
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Old 04-12-2011, 02:10 AM   #10
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May Allah give you hidayah - AAMEEN !
ameen, by the way, whose hidayah you were wishing bro?

The one who whispers a couple in their bad, or the couple itself is worthy of getting guideness from Allah?
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Old 04-12-2011, 02:33 AM   #11
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the warning should be to stay away from this fake sufi.
His advice on what to do in a nuclear holocaust is stay indoors and you will be safe.

plain facts time.....staying indoors will not stop you from getting incinerated in a nuclear explosion. No sir. Not under any circumstances.
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Old 04-12-2011, 02:44 AM   #12
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Who would you say is a real sufi just out of curiosity?
Why is he fake I have heard many good things about Sheikh Nazim and even know of a few people who have been in his company and I have heard so much good that I was considering looking into Sheikh Nazim? .. What makes him so fake?
The least likely of your sincere falsehoods is your words: ‘I am a Sufi!’
Shaykh 'Abdal Hakim Murad.
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Old 04-12-2011, 10:13 AM   #13
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Salaam,

To be quite fair, it seems like the messenger is being 'shot' when the advice as i understand is originally from Hisham Effendi.

Anyway, whatever the case, there seems to be more than a Nuclear issue being raised with regards to staying indoors (quick or widespread `Adhaab on various Shuroor being committed, and the possible increase of Shuroor such as Sihr by wind/air/skies - seems to be a favourite of the enemies - all that i wish to say here), and to be fair again, he does mention to stay indoors and then A`maal of peforming Wudoo' and Salaah whilst instructing ones family too, since i think Hisham or anyone else would know that most people also would not have underground bunkers or such protective masks or clothing.. [Best ones to get i heard are from Russia, by the way!].

Allaah Ta`aalaa Knows Best what will happen, and taking it by itself - what was mentioned however seems to be pretty good advice so far, though i havent heard any mention in there of keeping up with the Masnoon etc Awraad of morning and evening and latching ones doors/entering ones houses with the name of Allaah, though i suppose these are already a given, in comparison to what new advice they may wanted to give, though stressing on the above so called basics is never too much, especially in our times.

Wassalaam
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Old 04-13-2011, 02:50 AM   #14
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assalamualaykum i dont know how you can call hadra dancing when thehabashi sahabah did this the prophet peace be upon him allowed as for your remarks about shaykh nazim and shaykh mahmud efendi there was a gathering a short time ago amongst awliya and if shaykh mahmud disagreed with them they would have asked the murids of sidi shaykh nazim to leave but that was not the case !!!
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Old 04-13-2011, 02:54 AM   #15
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assalamualaykum i dont know how you can call hadra dancing when thehabashi sahabah did this the prophet peace be upon him allowed as for your remarks about shaykh nazim and shaykh mahmud efendi there was a gathering a short time ago amongst awliya and if shaykh mahmud disagreed with them they would have asked the murids of sidi shaykh nazim to leave but that was not the case !!!
Forget the Hadra now. Just explain how a young woman is sitting in front of him, making music. Is this jayaz according to you?
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Old 04-13-2011, 03:00 AM   #16
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Here is an excerpt from an interview with Mawlana Shaykh Nazim that took place in the nineties:

INTERVIEWER: If you were to tell your followers not to address you as the perfect one, not to kiss your hands and feet – and they say that in meetings even women come and kiss your hands, and the Prophet would never allow that… I want your comments on that?

SHAYKH NAZIM: No. They are always untrue people. They are always changing things from their real light. They are liars. They make iftira‘ [fabrications] and backbiting, because they are hasud – jealous, envious people. I never say to my followers that I am ‘a perfect one.’

But until they find a perfect one, I am only training them. I never said that I am a 100% perfect trainer but I am a good opportunity; while I am here, I only try to do my best with people. Like a doctor who is not a specialist, but still he must treat his patients. Should he say: I cannot touch you because I am not a specialist? I never said to anyone: ‘I am a 100% perfect person and I am training you: Come and kiss my hands!’ I am not so foolish as these people. They are thinking that I say to people come and kiss my hand!

INTERVIEWER: They say that it is a necessary part of your training…

SHAYKH NAZIM: No, never. My training is written in my books and the associations I hold, but they are not reading my books because shaytans are so proud. Can they find it anywhere that I say: Kiss my hand, kiss my feet? But I may enter through a crowd and without doing anything, people are completely unable to remain seated, they will stand up. I am not saying to them to do it. It is something granted to me, from the greatness of Allah, called haybat [dignity]. They can’t stop. When I pass, they stand up and rush to me. I am not telling them to. Once I was in Madina praying, facing Qibla. As I was finishing, one of these people said to me: ‘O shaykh! Why did you bring all these people behind you!’ I
was surprised. My eyes were closed and I was making du`a without sound, only what I may hear. But I looked around and I saw 100 people behind me. I said I am nobody, I am an ordinary person, a visitor here. I do not know them. Why are you telling me this? Tell those people to go away! Prophets have a magnetic power called jazba [attraction]. That
makes people run to that person. I have some of that which I received through our spiritual way. I am not an empty one, like those people. But they are hussad [enviers]… What happens if my followers kiss my hand? The Prophet – blessings upon him – kissed the Stone, and all Sahaba kissed the Stone. All the Hujjaj [pilgrims] kiss the Stone, and the Ka`ba. It is not haram to kiss the Ka`ba. Is the Ka`ba more honored than Man? No.

INTERVIEWER: But the Ka`ba has a special place in their hearts.

SHAYKH NAZIM: We have a special place also.
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Old 04-13-2011, 03:06 AM   #17
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Here is an excerpt from an interview with Mawlana Shaykh Nazim that took place in the nineties:

INTERVIEWER: If you were to tell your followers not to address you as the perfect one, not to kiss your hands and feet – and they say that in meetings even women come and kiss your hands, and the Prophet would never allow that… I want your comments on that?

SHAYKH NAZIM: No. They are always untrue people. They are always changing things from their real light. They are liars. They make iftira‘ [fabrications] and backbiting, because they are hasud – jealous, envious people. I never say to my followers that I am ‘a perfect one.’

But until they find a perfect one, I am only training them. I never said that I am a 100% perfect trainer but I am a good opportunity; while I am here, I only try to do my best with people. Like a doctor who is not a specialist, but still he must treat his patients. Should he say: I cannot touch you because I am not a specialist? I never said to anyone: ‘I am a 100% perfect person and I am training you: Come and kiss my hands!’ I am not so foolish as these people. They are thinking that I say to people come and kiss my hand!

INTERVIEWER: They say that it is a necessary part of your training…

SHAYKH NAZIM: No, never. My training is written in my books and the associations I hold, but they are not reading my books because shaytans are so proud. Can they find it anywhere that I say: Kiss my hand, kiss my feet? But I may enter through a crowd and without doing anything, people are completely unable to remain seated, they will stand up. I am not saying to them to do it. It is something granted to me, from the greatness of Allah, called haybat [dignity]. They can’t stop. When I pass, they stand up and rush to me. I am not telling them to. Once I was in Madina praying, facing Qibla. As I was finishing, one of these people said to me: ‘O shaykh! Why did you bring all these people behind you!’ I
was surprised. My eyes were closed and I was making du`a without sound, only what I may hear. But I looked around and I saw 100 people behind me. I said I am nobody, I am an ordinary person, a visitor here. I do not know them. Why are you telling me this? Tell those people to go away! Prophets have a magnetic power called jazba [attraction]. That
makes people run to that person. I have some of that which I received through our spiritual way. I am not an empty one, like those people. But they are hussad [enviers]… What happens if my followers kiss my hand? The Prophet – blessings upon him – kissed the Stone, and all Sahaba kissed the Stone. All the Hujjaj [pilgrims] kiss the Stone, and the Ka`ba. It is not haram to kiss the Ka`ba. Is the Ka`ba more honored than Man? No.

INTERVIEWER: But the Ka`ba has a special place in their hearts.

SHAYKH NAZIM: We have a special place also.
Don't digress. The video on sufilive clearly shows a young woman making music for your Shaykh. Is music lawful for you and is it allowed for a woman to make music in front of a man? Don't post his incoherent, senseless ramblings in response to a serious query.
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Old 04-13-2011, 03:08 AM   #18
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Brother was that directed towards me. If so I will respond by saying Ameen.

Allahualam
Nomadic brother it was directed to those who have wrong intentions for sheikhs.
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Old 04-13-2011, 03:14 AM   #19
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Nomadic brother it was directed to those who have wrong intentions for sheikhs.


That is a double-edged sentence you have utterred. Why must we respect someone who blatantly acts with disregard for the sunnah? Why must we respect someone who shows little reverence to the shari'ah?

Similarly, you and others attack Wahhabi shuyookh left and right so I say that this is hypocrisy at its peak.

If someone calls the sunnah to be bid'ah, I do not have respect for him. If someone calls bid'ah to be sunnah, I do not have respect for him. The pseudo-Salafis are the former, the pseudo-Sufis are the latter.
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Old 04-13-2011, 03:44 AM   #20
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Let us also apply the same standards on other so called Sufi Shayookh. Why is only Sultan al-Awliya Shaykh Nazim Haqqani picked up (or his student Dr. GF Haddad ? )

Is it because Sultan al-Awliya Shaykh Nazim is very old and aged person ? Apply the same standards on the other popular sufi shayookh. or is the case, my shaykh vs your shaykh ?
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