[Agehoobionibe]

Translation of Sahih Muslim Book 40: Book 040 Number 6809: Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created Adam in His own image with His length of sixty cubits, and as He created him He told him to greet that group, and that was a party of angels sitting there, and listen to the response that they give him, for it would form his greeting and that of his offspring. He then went away and said: Peace be upon you! They (the angels) said: May there be peace upon you and the Mercy of Allah, and they made an addition of" Mercy of Allah". So he who would get into Paradise would get in the form of Adarn, his length being sixty cubits, then the people who followed him continued to diminish in size up to this day.

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/c....html#040.6809

I don't really understand this hadeeth from sahih muslim is the translation correct since it mentions His image with a capital H and also His length with a capital H how is this to be understood??

[SHaEFU0i]

It simply states that ADAM was created as ADAM was,that is 60 ft,while the rest of Bani Adam are created by the method of procreation,meaning a man and a woman will meet,the wman will conceive and then the process of birth,childhood,adulthood etc,WHILE ADAM WAS CREATED AS HE WAS,in ADAM,S OWN IMAGE,he did not have to pass through the process of conception and birth etc.
It is a misconception to think that Adam was created in ALLAH,S image,as is popularly thought. It also answars your question of mention of lenghth here,because in both the places the word HE means ADAM and not ALLAH Subhanahu was taala.

[wheettebott]

Basically, the hadith mentions the expression "in his form" - "fi suratihi", but it's not clearly expressed to whom "-hu" is referred: if to Allah or to Adam himself.

The sholars offered both the interpretations, with the majority opting for the second, if I remember correctly.

[WFSdZuP3]

as-salamu `alaikum
unfortunately my quota for uploading here is full... you can try and download the file uploaded at this thread for some commentary on The hadith "Allah created Adam in his image".

[WFSdZuP3]

taken from this thread:

Abd Allah al-Hashidi the "Salafi" editor of al-Bayhaqi's al-Asma' wal-Sifat (2:60) openly attributes form and shape to Allah Most High:

"As for our Lord, we affirm that He possesses a form (sura)" and (2:67)
"As for us we affirm a form (sura) for Allah unlike forms."
Similarly, the Egyptian 'Salafi' scholar Mohammed Khalil Harras......

هو العلاَّمة، السلفيُّ، المحقِّق، محمد خليل هرَّاس
كان رحمه الله سلفي المعتقد، شديدًا في الحقّ، قويّ الحجّة والبيان، أفنى حياته في التعليم والتأليف ونشر السنة وعقيدة أهل السنة والجماعة
....who salafis describe as:

"He was Salafi in creed, stern in establishing the truth, persuasive in establishing his proof, he spent his life teaching, authoring, and spreading the creed of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a"


says on p. 39 of his commentary on "At-Tawhid" by Ibn Khuzayma:
فالصورة لا تضاف إلى الله كإضافة خلقه إليه لأنها وصف قائم به

"So 'Image' is not attributed to Allah the way his creation is attributed to Him, because it (His image), is an attribute which subsists in His essence"
and on pg. 156:
ثم تبدى الله لنا بصورة غير صورته التي رأيناه فيها أول مرة ، وقد عاد لنا في صورته التي رأيناه فيها أول مرة فيقول أنا ربكم

"Then he appeared to us with an image which is different then what we have previously seen, and He returned to us in the image we first saw him in and says: 'I am your Lord' "
Meanwhile scholars of Ahl al-Sunna like Ibn `Abd al-Salam in his Mulha state:

"He is not a body endowed with form."

Similarly Ibn al-Jawzi in Daf` Shubahi al-Tashbih (al-Kawthari ed. 1998 repr. p. 35) states:

"Know that it is obligatory upon every Muslim to firmly hold that it is impermissible to attribute to Allah Most High form (sura), which consists in physiognomy (hay'a) and features (ta'lif)."


Imam al Khattabi said:

What is upon us and all Muslims to believe is that our Lord does not possess a sura (image) or hay'a (form), for an image implies a modality (kayfiya) and that is negated from both Allah and His attributes.

قال الإمام أبو سليمان الخطابي (ت 388 هـ) فيما رواه عنه الحافظ البيهقي في [الأسماء والصفات] ما نصه:

"إن الذي يجب علينا وعلى كل مسلم أن يعلمه أن ربنا ليس بذي صورة ولا هيئة، فإن الصورة تقتضي الكيفية وهي عن الله وعن صفاته منفية" اهـ

Al-Subkī said: Al-Ash'arī and most of the Scholars of kalām have declared as disbelievers any innovator whose innovation constitutes or leads to disbelief. For example, if he claims that the object of his worship possess an image (sūra), or a limit (hadd) and boundary (nihāya), or that it is permissible to attribute to him movement and stillness. [Cited in al-Kawtharī, Maqālāt (p. 374)]

Click on this link for further information

[translations and quotes courtesy of sidi Hatim and sh. Gibril]

[famosetroie]

taken from this thread:

Now why don't you be so kind to tell us what Imam Ahmad said.

[vipBrooriErok]

Now why don't you be so kind to tell us what Imam Ahmad said.

this is a quote I found of Imam Ahmad..perhaps will be beneficial

[Tauntenue]

It simply states that ADAM was created as ADAM was,that is 60 ft,while the rest of Bani Adam are created by the method of procreation,meaning a man and a woman will meet,the wman will conceive and then the process of birth,childhood,adulthood etc,WHILE ADAM WAS CREATED AS HE WAS,in ADAM,S OWN IMAGE,he did not have to pass through the process of conception and birth etc.
It is a misconception to think that Adam was created in ALLAH,S image,as is popularly thought. It also answars your question of mention of lenghth here,because in both the places the word HE means ADAM and not ALLAH Subhanahu was taala.

^ this is how I understand it, Once they(shia) called Sheikh Adnan al Arrour (Salafi) and told him why do you Sunnies Make Tajseem and they mentioned this Hadith So His reply was that there were several explanations (he mentioned three) and he said that the Most correct one is the same as yours above.
It's also mentioned in the explanation of Bukhari by Imam al Asqalani.

Wal Salam,

[Tauntenue]

this is a quote I found of Imam Ahmad..perhaps will be beneficial

Mashallah that's a very good and very clear understanding!

thanks.

[HaroTaure]

Need to learn Arabic.

[famosetroie]

Mashallah that's a very good and very clear understanding!

thanks.

I read the statement many times but I can't put a connection between this statement and Allah having or not having an Image- Mind giving us some insight?

[Tauntenue]

I read the statement many times but I can't put a connection between this statement and Allah having or not having an Image- Mind giving us some insight?

I know it's talking about another case of Sifat but It's a very good explanation by imam Ahmad(rah) and I wanted to point that out.

The Question was already answered, the best scholarly explanation is in Post #2.

[Tauntenue]

Look There are two Hadiths, one about "hitting the boy on the face" and the other about the "Sixty Cubits"...

The explanations (Which I heard from different ppl i asked) were the following:
1- His Image meaning the image of the Boy, as In Adam was created with a Face and arms and legs and so on ... so is that Boy(every Human) So Don't Hit him on his face and make fun of how it looks, or maybe there was a similarity between his and Adam's PBUH face.
2- Allah created Adam PBUH in his image, meaning Allah is merciful and Adam was merciful, Allah said that he has a Face and He created Adam PBUH with a Face So Don't Hit him on the face or mock it.
3- Allah created Adam PBUH directly in this image (he didn't have to transform from foetus to child to Man) and He was Sixty cubits High (maybe Only in heaven) Thus destroying the theory of Evolution.

I tend to go with the third one.

[homerdienru]

yes brother, god did create man in his image. the book of genesis says that god created man out of the dust of the earth and god breathed the breath of life into adam. the book of genesis says god made man in his image. this means he made adam with the same characteristics as god. god has arms, fingers, 2 eyes, a nose, a mouth. we are a shadow of god, not a reflection of him. hope that helped with your question brother.

[amannddo]

god has arms, fingers, 2 eyes, a nose, a mouth. we are a shadow of god, not a reflection of him. hope that helped with your question brother.

Assalamoualaikoum

You should ponder on this ayat:

'There is none like HIM'

Ayaz

[HaroTaure]

Assalamoualaikoum

You should ponder on this ayat:

'There is none like HIM'

Ayaz

Brotheroffaith is a Christian.

[amannddo]

Brotheroffaith is a Christian.

Yep

I noticed it when reading another thread.

Ayaz