[Klissineopar]

Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers.


I would like to share with you a verse, as we say Abrahamis the father of the 3 religions and I was reading all the verses about Abraham and I have foud this one bellow.

Can you tell me what do you think ?


English Yusuf Ali: [3:95]Say: "Allah speaketh the Truth: follow the religion of Abraham, the sane in faith; he was not of the Pagans."



Assalam aleykoum.

[texprofi]

Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers.


I would like to share with you a verse, as we say Abrahamis the father of the 3 religions and I was reading all the verses about Abraham and I have foud this one bellow.

Can you tell me what do you think ?


English Yusuf Ali: [3:95]Say: "Allah speaketh the Truth: follow the religion of Abraham, the sane in faith; he was not of the Pagans."



Assalam aleykoum.

Wa alaykumussalam, We are Millate Ibraheem (AM). If you see authentic Tafseer this will InshaAllah become clear. Our 'Nationality' as Ummah is Ibraheemi. And this is what in Islam nationality means. other meaning of nationality are disregarded. Like our identity cannot be american, indian, pakistani so and so. We are: Ummate Muhammadi (SW) and Millate Ibraheem (AM). for location one may refer that I stay there, i.e. in the U.S. or India or Pakistan etc. but as far as Islam is concerned our identity is we are Muslim. I repeat, for clarification pls see tafseer and if confusion still arises consult a Pious Scholar. InshaAllah you will be clear. Jazkallah Akhi! this is a very interesting and important discussion.

[18holesin]

Bismillahirrahmnirraheem
There is nothing to be contradictory in Quran if you think so as in the other thread but as usual only full of wisdom calling people towards the deen of Allah SWT by His SWT mercy. The religion of Muhammad (SAW) is nothing but the religion of Ibrahim (AS). Those of jews and christians who believed in Ibrahim AS were asked to follow the religion of Muhammad (SAW) for it is the religion of Ibrahim (AS). Quran keeps inviting people of Book to Islam out of immense mercy of Allah SWT. As advised, people should go through the tafsir of Quran without trying to interpret on their own wittingly or unwittingly.
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Every (kind of) food was lawful for the children of Isra'il, except what Isra'il had made unlawful for himself well before the Torah was revealed. Say, 'Then, bring the Torah and recite it, if you are true!' [3:93]
Then, after all this, those who forge the lie and attribute it to Allah, they are the transgressors. [3:94] Say, "Allah has spoken the truth. So, follow the Faith of Ibrahim, the upright -- and he was not one of the associators!' [3:95]

Commentary
In the verses appearing above, there is a continuity of arguments against positions taken by the people of the Book. At some places, it concerns Jews and at others, the Christians. One such argument, which has been reported in Ruh al-Ma'ani on the authority of Wahidi and al-Kalbi, recounts the incident when the Holy Prophet SAW stated his adherence to the community of Abraham with reference to all fundamentals of the religious code, and most of the subsidiaries, the Jews objected by saying: 'You eat camel meat and partake of its milk although these were unlawful for Abraham.' The Holy Prophet SAW said: 'No, this was lawful for him.' The Jews said: 'All that we consider unlawful has continued to be unlawful since the days of Naoh and Abraham to the point that this unlawfulness reached us.' Thereupon, Allah
Almighty revealed the verse: 'Every (kind of) food was lawful for the children of Isra'il- 93' to refute the Jewish claim in which it is said that before the revelation of Torah, all things were lawful for the children of Isra'il except the camel meat which Isra'il (Jacob) AS himself had denied to eat for a particular reason, and then it remained unlawful for his progeny also.

The fact, as narrated by Sayyidna Ibn 'Abbas in an authentic report, is that Jacob suffered from Sciatica. He had taken a vow that he would abandon what he liked most in what he ate if Allah Almighty cured him of the disease. He was cured and camel meat was what he liked most, so he abandoned it. (See Al-Hakim and al-Tirmidhi as quoted by Ruh al-Ma'ani). Then, it so happened that this prohibition which started because of a vow continued among the Bani Isra'il as a divine injunction. It seems their code recognized a vow as a cause of unlawfulness of something lawful, like in our shariah, a vow may make the permissible acts as obligatory. However, a vow or a pledge which renders things unlawful is, in reality, an oath which is not permissible in our shariah. Infact in such a case, it is obligatory to break the truth and make amends by paying kaffarah. This is in accordance with what Allah SWT has said in the verse “..why do you forbid what Allah has made lawful for you?-66:1” (see al-Tafsir al kabir).
Maariful Quran, Volume 2, pp 116-117.
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Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers.


I would like to share with you a verse, as we say Abrahamis the father of the 3 religions and I was reading all the verses about Abraham and I have foud this one bellow.

Can you tell me what do you think ?


English Yusuf Ali: [3:95]Say: "Allah speaketh the Truth: follow the religion of Abraham, the sane in faith; he was not of the Pagans."



Assalam aleykoum.

The religion of Ibrahim(as) and Muhammad(asws) and all the other Prophets(as) is the same viz Islam. It is only the Shari'ah in which there are differences.

[texprofi]

First let me say that this meaning of Millate Ibraheem is a broad discussion. Alhamdulillah, whatever i wrote, i did NOT write from my own - I know these from the Pious Ulama directly.
recently i opened Bayanul Quran of Hakeemul Ummah Thanvi (R) where I also found another point which i previously read in Tafseer-e-Usmani. This point is: one reason for calling this Ummah of Rasulullah Sallallahu Alayhi wa Sallam - Millate Ibraheem is: With the Beliefs and Fundamental acts, there is a great similarity between the Rulings in the Commandments brought by Ibraheem (AM) and Rasulullah SW. I directly heard this recently also in a bayan of a Pious from Nijamuddeen, India too.
In Bayanul Quran, Hakeemul Ummah Mawlana Thanvi (R) clearly stated (meaning), Other Millats had a big difference in Fundamental acts (not in case of Beliefs) with the Shariah brought by Rasulullah SW. This is one reason for which this Ummah is referred to as Millate Ibraheem. (final Ruku of 1st Para, Tafseer-e-Bayanul Quran).
Still i say that this is only a part of the discussion of Millate Ibraheem. Like from Maariful Quran someone already quoted.
Please be informed again, in my last post I haven't said anything from 'myself' and nothing said, own wittingly or unwittingly - and may Allah Taala save all of us to utter anything from own! Ameen.

[18holesin]

Please be informed again, in my last post I haven't said anything from 'myself' and nothing said, own wittingly or unwittingly - and may Allah Taala save all of us to utter anything from own! Ameen.

Bismillahirrahmanirraheem
I hope you didnt take me wrong, for my post was not intended at you and sorry if I gave any such impression. Also my choice of words may be incorrect for I am not that good in english.
Wassalam

[texprofi]

Bismillahirrahmanirraheem
I hope you didnt take me wrong, for my post was not intended at you and sorry if I gave any such impression. Also my choice of words may be incorrect for I am not that good in english.
Wassalam

Jazakallah for clarification. it's ok. good to discuss with people learning and developing. Alhamdulilah. May Allah Taala pardon me too for my wrongs. and accept us all. Ameen.

[Tauntenue]

[Klissineopar]

Assalam aleykoum Brother TripolySunni,


You have summarize everything with the picture.



Assalam aleykoum.

[Klissineopar]

What is your catch here. can u interpret this ayat then i myself, personally would like to know what is ur intention.

Assalam aleykoum sister nameuser,


What I want to say my sister the prophete Mohamed SWS was sent with nothing new because he is only the follower of the religion of Abraham, the prophete Mohamed received a religious heritage from Abraham and the Quran is only a DIKR


English Yusuf Ali: [21:50] And this is a blessed Message ( DIKR = REMEMBRANCE ) which We have sent down: will ye then reject it?

English Yusuf Ali: [21:51] We bestowed aforetime on Abraham his rectitude of conduct, and well were We acquainted with him.


The Quran is only a remembrance of what was sent before to all messengers and prophetes.


English Yusuf Ali: [43:44]The (Qur'an) is indeed the message ( DIKR = REMEMBRANCE ), for thee and for thy people; and soon shall ye (all) be brought to account.


All what we have nowdays its only from Abraham


The verse bellow show us that the prophete Mohamed was in the path of the religion of Abraham.

English Yusuf Ali: [6:161] Say: "Verily, my Lord hath guided me to a way that is straight,- a religion of right,- the path (trod) by Abraham the true in Faith, and he (certainly) joined not gods with Allah."



Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers

[texprofi]

Dhikr literally means remeberance. Doing prayer is classed as rememberance, to fullfill the command of shariah is also part of dhikr. Every act in deen classed as worship and also Remeberance of Allah.
But unlike english, Arabic is not a one dimensional language. Each word means different thing. For example the word Rab, the nearest english is Sustainer but in arabic it is not limited to the word sustainer alone. to soley rely on English translation and it literal take is like eating equating entire french quisine to French bread only.
I do not understand why you keep quoting Yusuf Ali's translation but not the exegesis that goes with it.
We are not like evengelical literalist and as such use many different source to understand the context and meaning. Similarly we do not derive shariah simply by reading either!!

This point is important! Jazakallah.
Everyone must pay heed to it! Understanding of Deen relies heavily on sincerity and attaining Elm in the Prophetic Way. Reading is one; but, many have gone out of the track by concentrating only on reading. Guidance of Pious Ulama is always a prerequisite to understand Deen.
Another point, referring Allah Taala as god is not fair. For dawah purpose to non muslims, in a limited way it may be used, but still need to be very very careful.

[Klissineopar]

In short before making it complicated, so u agreed with the presentation posted by @tripolysunni.

Assalam aleykoum sister nameuser,


I agree with our brother TripolySunni.


But there is somthing more all the revelation are from Allah SWT but we have 2 types :



1) From Adam to Abraham no writing revelations From Allah SWT and differents prophetes and messengers


2) We have before the prophete Moses revelations without any writing, the first book reaveled is the Thora

- The gospel ( INJIL)

- The Quran


Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers.

[Klissineopar]

The religion of Ibrahim(as) and Muhammad(asws) and all the other Prophets(as) is the same viz Islam. It is only the Shari'ah in which there are differences.

Assalam aleykoum brother Abu_Tamim,


I agree with you, what do you mean about different Shari'ah between prophetes and messenger.

Do you mean there are 2 Shari'ah for :


1) Abraham

2) Mohamed SWS



Assalam Aleykoum sisters and brothers.

[phinno13]

Salam
what do you mean about different Shari'ah between prophetes and messenger. he was saying that they all preached the same monotheistic message, however the laws that they brought to their people were not allt he same.

example: the people of moses and the israelites in general, were not forbidden alcohol....muslims are strictly forbidden aclohol.

prophet adam's children intermarried (halaal for them) though in our shariah and in every shariah since the shariah of moses this has been forbidden.

major similarities were always there (i.e. shirk was always forbidden), but here were differences in some of the details of their commandments. there are many reasons for this.

for example adam (pbuh) his children had to intermarry.

finally,

"The gospel ( INJIL)" this statement is incorrect.

the gospels are corrupted texts largely written not by god or jesus but by the "apostles". the book presented to jesus by allah maybe partially contained in the gospels, allah knows best, but he gospel you see in chapters or any church is NOT the Injil.

[replicaypu]

1) From Adam to Abraham no writing revelations From Allah SWT and differents prophetes and messengers


2) We have before the prophete Moses revelations without any writing, the first book reaveled is the Thora.

This is not true.

And this is in the Books of the earliest (Revelation),-
The Books of Abraham and Moses. (87:18-19)

[Klissineopar]

This is not true.

And this is in the Books of the earliest (Revelation),-
The Books of Abraham and Moses. (87:18-19)

Assalam aleykoum brother Younes,


We have nowdays :

1) The thora

2) The gospel

3) The quran


Can you tel me where is the Book of Abraham ?

[Klissineopar]

Bismillah

1) The thora - is a corrupted by the leaders.

2) The gospel - Is also corrupted, It is taken on faith without any criticism of the text.

3) The quran - Is preserved and let the disbiliver bring forth one verse like Quran that can stand the all the test. the christian tried it and guess what they copied Quran.

Shariah of Abram and all other prophet has been abrogated. The constant message of all the prophet is Pristine monothism of Islam. Note not the shariah. To state Shariah of the past generation is constant does not make sense as finality of prophethood was yet to manifest. Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was the final messanger and shariah has been finalised. Even Isah (AS) i.e Jesus (AS) will have to follow the Shariah brought down through Muhammad SAW. No other way is acceptable.

Assalam aleykoum brother Nomadic,


For you when a book is reveled to a prophete the previous one is abrogate ?


For Example when Isa was sent with the Gospel he abrogated the Thora ?

[Klissineopar]

Understand the difference between Nabi and Rasul
Rasul are equipped with set of code/ law.
Musa (AS) as well Muhammad (SAW) were classed as Rasul as they were sent down with laws and as such the latter one abroget the previous ones in some aspects.
Isa (AS) / Jesus was a prophet and was sent to revive the Musa (AS) teaching and was not sent with new laws - Nabi therefore he had to follow the law brought down through Musa (AS) i.e dieatary, peneal code etc.

Stephanie - Sister, please learn deen under the guidance of scholar. Self study does not do justice just like study of medical books does not make one a doctor.
Allahualam

Assalam Aleykoum brother Nomadic,


Its not true :

Nabi = prophete

Rassul = Messenger


You said for you Moses and Mohamed SWS = Messengers ( RASUL ) they are sent with books

Jesus ( Issa ) is only a Nabi ( Prophete ) with no new law


If its true what you are saying tell me what do you understand in the verse bellow :



English Yusuf Ali: [19:54]
Also mention in the Book (the story of) Isma'il: He was (strictly) true to what he promised, and he was a messenger (and) a prophet.

[replicaypu]

Can you tel me where is the Book of Abraham ?

The Book of Abraham is lost. Are you saying that there is mistake in the verse that? That there is a mistake in the Qur'an? Or that the Qur'an wasn't perfectly preserved?

[Klissineopar]

This is not true.

And this is in the Books of the earliest (Revelation),-
The Books of Abraham and Moses. (87:18-19)

Brother Younes,


Where is the Book of Abraham if is reveled by Allah SWt where is it ?