[Zenunlild]

I could pass your email address on to her and also email her about you. you can ask the mods to do it.
Although, she is also quite educated she completed all her secular studies from home via the Open University and studied Islam with us a for the duration. Masha Allah, very level headed and concious of a woman's place in Islam. Insha Allah she would be a good friend.

Jazakillah sister soupy!
that would be great.i ll contact the mods.

[Zenunlild]

AWW. I've been wanting to post since it started but had a prob. Anyways, i want to say to my 2 beloved sisters that we are in the same boat! I'm the only one in purdah in the whole uni. Family pressure is sooo high for me to do med, that i'm hopelessly confused.. I live in a country where i'l be the 1st to do med(if i do) and its soo scary..can i put my deen on 2nd position and studies on 1st??! I'm not sure i can! Shukran to all for advice. Gives me solace that i have some ppl with me in the boat!

Just adopt tawakul alallah!

welcome shelcome to the boat sisterAmatullah

mashAllah,being the only one in the entire univ in pardah takes guts and courage!
i remember when i started hijab in final yr of med,i was the only one too n since everyone knew me for 4 long yrs..they kept wonderin wat happened to me! most would ask me if i got engaged or married.alhumdulilah i survived,it was only hijab though at that time.but Allah hu akbar..i felt so close to Allah.
funny thing was ,there were few juniors who were doing hijab and i was soo happy but later i noticed that once they were out of college,they never put the hijab and would go out in jeans etc.it was very disturbing for me coz my freinds (who were non muslims)would be like..'why cant u take off the hijab too when we go out?!"..it was so hard to explain to them.we muslims are responsible for giving them these conflicting images.

and dont worry,we re together! if anytime you feel low,jus think that in the entire univ,among all the girls...in the eyes of Allah taala ,you stand most beautiful..inshAllah.

do med only if ur really willing to.dont give in under pressure coz its really ruff tuff.


may Allah taala guide you to whats best for u in both worlds.ameen

[PefeFoesk]

Wassalamualykum,
sister idil,
i do have friends n relatives alhumdulilah but u mean settled in USA?

no it was a general question..why don't you seek their advice?

[Zenunlild]

The sister is a Hanafi. In the Hanafi madhab it is considered wajib (obligation) so to take it off would be considered a sin.

walaikumassalam wa rahmatullah sister sudoku,

jazakillah for your response.

need a lil favor.

could you please pass on my email address to sister soupy.

jazakillah.

wassalamulykum

[Zenunlild]

I could pass your email address on to her and also email her about you. you can ask the mods to do it.
Although, she is also quite educated she completed all her secular studies from home via the Open University and studied Islam with us a for the duration. Masha Allah, very level headed and concious of a woman's place in Islam. Insha Allah she would be a good friend.

Assalamualykum wa rahmatullah sister soupy,

did u get my email id?
i honestly dont know how to msg the moderators,could you plz try? so i could contact u for that sisters details.
jazakillah

[bely832new]

sorry to but in a little but correct me if IM wrong on this one but isnt niqab regarded as a fardh in ahnaf?

[Diwokfkq]

Assalamualykum wa rahmatullah sister soupy,

did u get my email id?
i honestly dont know how to msg the moderators,could you plz try? so i could contact u for that sisters details.
jazakillah

sister,

I haven't got your email yet, but will get it from sister sudoku in the next few days insha allah.

[prowsnobswend]

Assalamu `alaykum,

I am a medical doctor, although I do not wear niqab.

My first advice to you would be... DO NOT GIVE UP. You need to show the head of the hospital that you WILL be able to communicate, that you WILL be a competent doctor. You CANNOT stay silent and mum and then go home and cry.

What the doctor is saying is true, you will need to communicate. And from my own experience patients will need to see your face to trust you. Being at a doctor's office is a scary and challenging thing, so really being with someone you can't see it's even more frightening. This however, does not mean that you cannot accomplish your dreams!
You should look into specialties like:

a. Obstetrics and gynecology (this is my specialty): then you only see women and so you can remove your niqab... problem solved!
b. Pediatrics: 99.999999999% of the times is the mother the brings the children... so no problem
c. Radiology/Imagenology: here you basically just read X-rays, ultrasounds, MRIs, etc. and do the report. So here you really are not in contact with patients so you should be OK too

Etc, etc, etc.

But you need to have an answer to this person. You need to sound confident and strong and say things like... "I love medicine and I take care of each patient individually and thus they feel that and thus I can communicate very efficiently even if I do not show my face", "Whatever disadvantage my covering my face might do to communications, I make up with my competence and personality", etc, etc. You need to demonstrate that you will be able to face up to the challenges.

I would also consider volunteering for a while. Can you go to the hospital as a volunteer or as a "student observer"? Then you will be able to demonstrate your skills and get a recommendation from someone and thus it might be easier.

Sister also in the end it is your life and if you really do not like medicine then you can choose something else or not do anything. But remember that we are in dire need of more Muslim women doctors so our sisters can feel more comfortable being treated by females!

[rsdefwgxvcfdts]

There are many in Pakistan. It's quite common.

[Zenunlild]

Assalamu `alaykum,

I am a medical doctor, although I do not wear niqab.

My first advice to you would be... DO NOT GIVE UP. You need to show the head of the hospital that you WILL be able to communicate, that you WILL be a competent doctor. You CANNOT stay silent and mum and then go home and cry.

What the doctor is saying is true, you will need to communicate. And from my own experience patients will need to see your face to trust you. Being at a doctor's office is a scary and challenging thing, so really being with someone you can't see it's even more frightening. This however, does not mean that you cannot accomplish your dreams!
You should look into specialties like:

a. Obstetrics and gynecology (this is my specialty): then you only see women and so you can remove your niqab... problem solved!
b. Pediatrics: 99.999999999% of the times is the mother the brings the children... so no problem
c. Radiology/Imagenology: here you basically just read X-rays, ultrasounds, MRIs, etc. and do the report. So here you really are not in contact with patients so you should be OK too

Etc, etc, etc.

But you need to have an answer to this person. You need to sound confident and strong and say things like... "I love medicine and I take care of each patient individually and thus they feel that and thus I can communicate very efficiently even if I do not show my face", "Whatever disadvantage my covering my face might do to communications, I make up with my competence and personality", etc, etc. You need to demonstrate that you will be able to face up to the challenges.

I would also consider volunteering for a while. Can you go to the hospital as a volunteer or as a "student observer"? Then you will be able to demonstrate your skills and get a recommendation from someone and thus it might be easier.

Sister also in the end it is your life and if you really do not like medicine then you can choose something else or not do anything. But remember that we are in dire need of more Muslim women doctors so our sisters can feel more comfortable being treated by females!

Walaikumassalam wa rahmatullah sister,

jazakillah for your response.

mashAllah,where do you practice?as GP?

i agree with what you say..i should be more confident, i guess thats exactly what i lack as i am not sure of anything right now...i know i shd nt have chickened out..cried n all but i was jus taken aback by the treatment i got there..i mean ..a muslim counrty and that kind of attitude..
mean while ,i am jus going wit the flow..i am studying for the usmle ,inshAllah ill apply to the hospi here and see how it goes..if i get in..good enuf..if i dont...will think of plan B (which at the moment,i have not thought of!)
i liked your advice sister..and its your last thought(which is often playing on my mind) that makes me feel that even if i dont want to ,i should take my profession further

Allah taala knows best.

please remember me in your duas.

jazakillah

wassalamulykum

[Zenunlild]

There are many in Pakistan. It's quite common.

mashAllah,thats encouraging

[elects]

AWW. I really liked Sis Ceren's advice. I guess experience is the best teacher. Inshallah, i'm determined to do med so with the help of Allah, will make it. If i have a prob with my purdah, i'm hoping to Shift to an all girls college.. Which one would be the best? Please advice. Shukran.

[DoctoNilsonDen]

AWW. I really liked Sis Ceren's advice. I guess experience is the best teacher. Inshallah, i'm determined to do med so with the help of Allah, will make it. If i have a prob with my purdah, i'm hoping to Shift to an all girls college.. Which one would be the best? Please advice. Shukran.

Bismillah
Asalamualaykumwrwb

I am in a similar predicament. I have completed by undergraduate studies in the U.S and wanted to apply to medical school, but started to back out because I fear I might not be able to do it with niqab. Then I came across global university in riyadh, saudi arabia, which offers MD. This is the perfect place for munaqabaat to seek medical education as there is gender segregation and many sisters wear niqab. Check out their website : http://02cd6b9.netsolhost.com/medicine.htm

Hope this helps all my niqabi sisters out there who want to pursue medicine for the sake of Allah, while fearing Him alone. Know that if you keep His (subhana wa ta'ala's) pleasure in mind, He will make a way for you inshAllah. One of the ayaat that comfort me during times of stress when making decisions like this is:
"And whosoever is conscious of Allah, He will make a way for him to get out (from every difficulty). And He will provide him from (sources) he never could imagine. And whoever puts his trust in Allah, then He will suffice him. Verily, Allah will accomplish His purpose. Indeed Allah has sent a measure for all things." [65:2-3]

SubhanAllah what promise is greater than that of Allah azza wa jal's. May Allah (swt) grant us easy success in all our goals, and grant us the greatest rewards in the hereafter, ameen.

[fapourfasiark]

Salaam alaykum,

I couldn't resist responding as I sooo feel you.. I am a doctor in niqab too.

First, May Allah reward you for your courage, sincerity, and reward you with His pleasure which you are seeking. The niqab doesn't have to be waajib for us to wear it, I think the arguments are a sign of general weakness of eeman in the ummah . It is much the same as arguing whether to go all lengths to perform nawaafil salaat.If it pleases Allah, we should be willing to die to achieve it. If an act such as the use of miswak before salaat was important in winning a battle against the Kuffar in the time of the illustrous Sahaaba (ra), one can not imagine what sort of effects unveiled faces is having on the Ummah's status.

I am so full of emotion that I am sure to write a haphazard response. Bear with me, I hope this will insha Allah blossom into a friendship.

When I read your first entry to my husband, he remarked " is someone impersonating you?" Dear sister, I have 2 other friends of my nationality all in the same boat as you, and your feelings and hardships ring true for us all. You are not alone in the circumstances or the way you felt.

Alhamdulillah, when we started, we were medical students in niqab,we had it tough from our parents, teachers, friends,and fellow citizens, but now we are still practising [albeit outside our countries (hijra)] wives and mothers. We finished from different med schools but our unique challenges brought us together. We too are yet to find a place to do our residency in peace of mind and deen. You are right - there is no qualm free place, but the 'muslim countries are still much better off. At least I can always pray salaat at the right time while on the job. There are other advantages to being in a niqab tolerant environment.

Residency in Oman would have been nice as they don't accept males at all into the dept ( so the problem of not showing your face does not exist during practice) and the cultural acceptance of the niqab seems yet sufficient ( thus your own colleagues won't label or ostracize you) ...but they only accept nationals. Allah will make a way for us, it may not be a bed of roses but it will be safe for our deen while we train and practice.

I only joined this group to respond to your thread which I found when I googled ' niqab in qatar'. I was looking into Qatar when I stumbled into HMC opening for applications. Did you say there was only one body that offers residency in Qatar? Can you shed more light on this?

When I was fresh out of school like you described, I would have been demoralized by the HODs comment, but now after much baking and emotional bashing, I would seized the opportunity to have a discussion which insha Allah if it didn't leave him feeling sorry for himself having made snide remarks about his own deen, would have left him respecting my courage, determination and success so far at daring to be different for the sake of Allah. You hang on to Allah's book and the sunnah, you will always find comfort in remembering Him and that we shall all return to Him. You will gradually develop the skills to cope and shine

looking foward to hearing from you.

[joulseenjoync]

To those sisters who wish to practice / pursue medical schooling in Dubai.. let it be known that there are NO restrictions on the Niqab and they can freely practice / study here with the Niqab on.. and yess.. they do take in non Emiratis at the Dubai womens medical college..
on the other hand since a past few months there has been a strong drive by the local emirati women to enforce modest clothing on the western tourists who move about dressed scantily..

also there are vacancies in the DHA (Dubai health authority) these days for competent doctors..

wa assalam..

[pitoufsd]

A cousin of mine studied medicine with niqab in India and she topped in her entire batch mashaAllah. She was the only one to wear niqab in her uni. Just have strong faith in Allah and be confident.I am sure Allah will make it easier for you .

[mymnarorump]

Bismillah
Doctors face medical mask does the job of Niqab! So whats the big deal here! Why do you have to wear a black niqab. Is wearing black niqab a wajibat. I don't think so! There is always way to get around this types of question. You are a doctor so use use imagination to solve a problem.
Allahualam

Doctors don't always wear a face mask. In some fields of medicine, doctors rarely (if ever) wear face masks.

[Zenunlild]

Assalam o alaikum wrwb sister..

i make dua you and all our brothers and sisters all over are blessed with true love of Allah taala & His beloved sallallahu alaihe wassalam with khair, ease and aafiyah.

forgive me for the late reply and thank you and jazakillah khair for your reply.

subhanAllah took me into flashback! things have changed and i have moved on alhamdulilah & i am extremely grateful to Allah taala for all that happened.

inshAllah if you are stil around, we can get in touch via email? let me know

needy of your precious duas

jazakumullah khair

wassalam

Salaam alaykum,

I couldn't resist responding as I sooo feel you.. I am a doctor in niqab too.

First, May Allah reward you for your courage, sincerity, and reward you with His pleasure which you are seeking. The niqab doesn't have to be waajib for us to wear it, I think the arguments are a sign of general weakness of eeman in the ummah . It is much the same as arguing whether to go all lengths to perform nawaafil salaat.If it pleases Allah, we should be willing to die to achieve it. If an act such as the use of miswak before salaat was important in winning a battle against the Kuffar in the time of the illustrous Sahaaba (ra), one can not imagine what sort of effects unveiled faces is having on the Ummah's status.

I am so full of emotion that I am sure to write a haphazard response. Bear with me, I hope this will insha Allah blossom into a friendship.

When I read your first entry to my husband, he remarked " is someone impersonating you?" Dear sister, I have 2 other friends of my nationality all in the same boat as you, and your feelings and hardships ring true for us all. You are not alone in the circumstances or the way you felt.

Alhamdulillah, when we started, we were medical students in niqab,we had it tough from our parents, teachers, friends,and fellow citizens, but now we are still practising [albeit outside our countries (hijra)] wives and mothers. We finished from different med schools but our unique challenges brought us together. We too are yet to find a place to do our residency in peace of mind and deen. You are right - there is no qualm free place, but the 'muslim countries are still much better off. At least I can always pray salaat at the right time while on the job. There are other advantages to being in a niqab tolerant environment.

Residency in Oman would have been nice as they don't accept males at all into the dept ( so the problem of not showing your face does not exist during practice) and the cultural acceptance of the niqab seems yet sufficient ( thus your own colleagues won't label or ostracize you) ...but they only accept nationals. Allah will make a way for us, it may not be a bed of roses but it will be safe for our deen while we train and practice.

I only joined this group to respond to your thread which I found when I googled ' niqab in qatar'. I was looking into Qatar when I stumbled into HMC opening for applications. Did you say there was only one body that offers residency in Qatar? Can you shed more light on this?

When I was fresh out of school like you described, I would have been demoralized by the HODs comment, but now after much baking and emotional bashing, I would seized the opportunity to have a discussion which insha Allah if it didn't leave him feeling sorry for himself having made snide remarks about his own deen, would have left him respecting my courage, determination and success so far at daring to be different for the sake of Allah. You hang on to Allah's book and the sunnah, you will always find comfort in remembering Him and that we shall all return to Him. You will gradually develop the skills to cope and shine

looking foward to hearing from you.

[Njxatsbf]

Just a question to this thread.... not meant to put aybody off being a doctor in niqaab

What will be your reaction (first thoughts) if you're terribly sick and just regain consciousness to see a doctor in niqaab stading over you?

I'll probably start crying.... What about you?

[paydayloanfasters]

Assalaamu alaikum,

When I take my wife to the hospital and the doctor that attends to us is a female Muslim, My heart is at peace and i thank Allah for this blessing.

If you become a doctor you will bring joy and peace to so many Muslims. Plus I'm sure you'll get plenty of dua's coming your way.