Boxer Muhammad Ali taking Bayah in Naqshbandi Order
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEXueSPLymc

MashaAllah

MashAllah!

Is he also trapped by the Barelwis?

Inna Lilahe Wa Inna Elahe Rajeun.

Can't you just pray for the increase of his Eman.!

Nobody knows about qayamah.

Allah could even put Barelvi in Jannah & Deobandi in Jahanum or vice versa.

many people have had the Bayah of blessing with Sheikh Nazim or his representatives, without necessary becoming his follower in a deeper way.

I though Allah (SW)alone has the authority to bless any human being

Unless you are talking about some Hindu and Sikh stuff

What about saying- "Allah could even put Shi'ites in Jannah & Sunnis in Jahannum or vice versa." Isn't it absurd to say? Its a simple analogy. How can one person enter into Jannah who calls other muslims as infidels?

Disclaimer: I'm not calling any particular group/sect as Kuffar here. I consider them as Kuffar who have corrupt beliefs which nullify their Imaan.

So the sheikh according to the above commentator is a student of Imam Ahmed Raza khan ? Could you list the rational criteria to determine a person as a "berelwi" ?

As for the topic video, it seems to be just a association for barakah. Can't make much judgement out of it.

Allah the king of kings is answerable to NONE, so be humble inshala.

There are numerous Ahadith regarding causes those nullify one's Imaan. I'm talking on the light of these. I've also clarified about my own understanding. So, I see nothing of my post matches with your post.

True I agree but are you saying that Allah is bound by it ? Then your wrong he may forgive anyone and give Jannah to whosoever he wishes.

Allaah http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/taala.gif is the Supreme Authority. Its His wish whom He will forgive or not. But we, the human, have no right to say anything beyond Hadith. Look, I'm not calling any particular group/sect as the inhabitants of Jahannam. Anyone who has any corrupt belief that nullifies his Imaan, will enter into Jahannam. Its a fundamental rule set by Allaah http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/taala.gif.

Please read this wikipedia article about Barelwis and judge yourself that whether their beliefs contradict Quran and Hadith or not:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barelvi

You're opening up a can of worms akhi and to be honest it's not worth it, barelvis deobabdis are where people have learnt their Deen from and a lot of Ulema and pious people have come from both places etc so to label one or criticise them is not really fair in my opinion, best to be humble and focus on yourself, the rest Allah knows best.

P.s Eid Mubarak http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...icon_smile.gif

Wikipedia is hardly a good source to gain knowledge, this is obviously been editted by someone to cuase mischief, if you want to know more about a sufi order, speak to the people themselve to get an accurate account.

Look brother, there is no middle path between Haq and Batil. Allaah http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/taala.gif will love you if you become steadfast on Haq and make efforts against Batil. Deen is crystal clear. Whoever innovates new and wrong worships, he throws dust on this Deen. If you patronize them, you'll be recognized as a guilty to Allaah http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/taala.gif.

So my brother please don't mix up Haq and Batil. Just try to know what is Haq with an open mind.

Can you deny the takfir of Ahmed Reza Khan and enmity of Barelwis against Deoband?

Jazakumulah for the reminder, I'm in no position to judge I'm very weak as it is, Waslam.

Brother, I've mentioned no name. I've just tried to encourage you about learning the Haq. I'm not suggesting you to speak against anyone. Just make your concept clear. Thats all.

P.S.: I'm not trying to bias you towards any group/sect. Because Haq doesn't rely on number of supporters or any worldly things.

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Well I would say that vast majority of barelvis have no idea or knowledge of these aqeedah beliefs whatsmore large majority completely unaware of Maulana ahmad Raza Khans takfir, All they know is that one should keep away from "wahabbis" and Maulana Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi wrote a beautiful naat that is recited on jumaahs. So you cannot really genearalise.

you are obviously completely ignorant of the terms of Sufism to so misunderstand what I just said.