[cheaploans]

i dont live in Lonon i am researching it is regarding a skin related problem wrong title to the thread really...

sister Muslimah,

with all due respect, i think you need a dermatologist or a clinician from a related field.

i know some skin probs are seemingly intractable and never seem to go away...but that doesn't mean its a supernatural or spooky phenomena. Most folks with skin issues tend to languish in it for a while before it eases up...

skin problems don't discriminate between the virtous and the wicked, so you won't find a religious solution...because its not a religious problem.

[gundas]

^^

Yes true, sometimes the ailments are nothing but physical ailments and are not necessarily linked to spirituality.

Along with dermotologist, I would also suggest you contact a practicing Hakeem. They have many times much greated incite into medicine then Alopathic medicine..but nonetheless ask a local doctor as well..

[AdipexAdipex]

Sidi abuhajira is absoultely right, for example my mom has been ill since 1990 with various undiagnosed illnesses and overtime she has gotten progressively worse, and yet the doctors can only speculate on what causes her so much trouble.

We have seen some of the best experts within Canada and yet not on person has an answer for her, so our last resort and only option would be a spirtual healer.

Perhaps this Shaykh will be the vessel which Allah uses to cure my mother inshallah.



Allahu Alam.

[Vodonaeva]

Perhaps this Shaykh will be the vessel which Allah uses to cure my mother inshallah.



Allahu Alam.

think about the consequences of such a statement...

if the rahma of Allah were conditional on being mediated through a "shaykh"

then those without access to a shaykh would be denied the rahma of Allah.

which means that that the Raham of Allah is confined and limited.

that last bit of the syllogism is clearly false, hence you don't need a shaykh to benefit from Allah's grace.

The rahma of Allah is universal, unlimited and open to all.

the beauty of Islam is that our deen liberates us from priestly beaurocracy of mystics, fakirs and middle-men.

through your salat, dhikr and piety you can be a direct beneficiary of Allah's love.

you don't need a shaykh.

[Depolit]

if the rahma of Allah were conditional on being mediated through a "shaykh" your taking what i'm saying out of context, Allah has made people higher in certain degrees over others.

The Shaykh is considered to be a Wali of Allah Most High you should read up on some hadiths about the Wali's of Allah (abdaal's) and also read Ibn Hajar's sharh on the hadith which is related by Abu Huraya "Whoever harms a friend (wali) of Mine..."

It should inshallah give u more insight on the maqams (spirtual degrees) of Annihilation and Obliteration which one can achieve.


“Be aware of the insight of the Mu’min (believer)! For he sees with the light of Allāh!”

[Tabāranī’s Kabīr and Musnad Ash-Shāmiyyīn. Al Haythamī stated its chain is hasan. It is also reported by many others with weaker chains.]

[TheDoctor]

think about the consequences of such a statement...

if the rahma of Allah were conditional on being mediated through a "shaykh"

then those without access to a shaykh would be denied the rahma of Allah.

which means that that the Raham of Allah is confined and limited.

that last bit of the syllogism is clearly false, hence you don't need a shaykh to benefit from Allah's grace.

The rahma of Allah is universal, unlimited and open to all.

the beauty of Islam is that our deen liberates us from priestly beaurocracy of mystics, fakirs and middle-men.

through your salat, dhikr and piety you can be a direct beneficiary of Allah's love.

you don't need a shaykh.

Again your post is stuck on the same aspect.. please get on with it.

If as you say Allah's rahma is not to be confines (which we have not said) then in such manney you should stop eating food as Allah's sustinance is not to be confined in food as well..

[q9h9pPne]

AssalaamuAlaikum
Spritual healers are one of the Asbab of curing the illness. It is like there is the allopatic treatment, the homeopathic treatment the Ayurvedic treatment similarly there is the spritual treatment. It is an option and anyone who feels like can make use of it or can mix it with other treatments also. What is so strange about it. Wassalaam

[Kilaoksrsa]

i agree in learning one can exceed others in knowledge.

in observance one can exceed others in piety

in abstinence one can exceed others in virtue...


...but there is nothing innately special about one human being as distinct from another.

all men (and women) were created equal...and all can aspire to the same goals.


there are no "chosen ones" among human beings, we are all potentially 'wali' or proximate to God.


(except the Prophets [pbut]....who were pre-ordained with a special mission)

[nonDosearrany]

i agree in learning one can exceed others in knowledge.

in observance one can exceed others in piety

in abstinence one can exceed others in virtue...


...but there is nothing innately special about one human being as distinct from another.

all men (and women) were created equal...and all can aspire to the same goals.


there are no "chosen ones" among human beings, we are all potentially 'wali' or proximate to God.


(except the Prophets [pbut]....who were pre-ordained with a special mission)

pls elaborate on this. You're posting some confusing stuff.

[Wrencytet]

quite simply, no human beings (other than Prophets) have any innate supremacy over others.

[surefireinvest]

Brother is confused. When we say that Allah has made medicine, doctor, plumber,teacher as a means for us to take benefit... our brother confuses it with these means being "mukhtar e kull" over that aspect. If this is not the case, this post was not connected to the main thread...

Allah has kept shifaa for 70 ailments in salt. It is from hadeeth. but that doesnt mean salt is the giver of shifaa! It mearely means Allah provides shifaa through salt.

Doctor A may prescribe a certain pill-A for an ailment, and it would not work.. yet when Doctor-B gives the same pill-A for the very same ailment after his visit to Doctor A was failure.. the patient gets healed. Allah kept his shifaa with that doctor. The doctor became a means for his shifaa .. The doctor didnt become his shifaa or even the giver of his shifaa.. merely a means..just like the salt..

There are so many examples of this that you should perhaps refer to Kitaabut Tib and you will see the kind of cures Rasulullah has prescribed at many times..

[rujeltaoser]

Brother is confused. When we say that Allah has made medicine, doctor, plumber,teacher as a means for us to take benefit... our brother confuses it with these means being "mukhtar e kull" over that aspect. If this is not the case, this post was not connected to the main thread...

Allah has kept shifaa for 70 ailments in salt. It is from hadeeth. but that doesnt mean salt is the giver of shifaa! It mearely means Allah provides shifaa through salt.

Doctor A may prescribe a certain pill-A for an ailment, and it would not work.. yet when Doctor-B gives the same pill-A for the very same ailment after his visit to Doctor A was failure.. the patient gets healed. Allah kept his shifaa with that doctor. The doctor became a means for his shifaa .. The doctor didnt become his shifaa or even the giver of his shifaa.. merely a means..just like the salt..

There are so many examples of this that you should perhaps refer to Kitaabut Tib and you will see the kind of cures Rasulullah has prescribed at many times..

Allah is the ultimate source of all healing...to seek to delineate it into specific docs and treatments is not logically or empirically credible.

[herbalviagra]

and who has here denied that Allah is the source of healing?

[RedImmik]

Allah is the ultimate source of all healing...to seek to delineate it into specific docs and treatments is not logically or empirically credible.

OK, I see. What if I told you: Allah is the giver of food and water. However, you use your hands to take this nutrition. So why you do that? Why do you use your hands to help yourself?

[Hofonom]

we are actually in agreement,

all 3 of us agree that God is the source of all benediction...

but you seem to claim that there are human beings who especailly chosen and ranked above other human beings as agents of that rahma..

i disagree...

i think Allah's rahma is universal, unmediated and within the capacity of all to recieve. Every human being a potentially a wali'.


this is why i don't venerate shaykhs....and why i am suspicious of devotional sufism that hails men as "healers"

this discussion is getting tedious...i hope we can agree isnshaAllah.

[RogerButton33]

Okay now that I have your agreement on that.. Now we can look at the incidents where healing was given by people (Bi Idhn illah) which could not have been given by just any ordinary layman.

(Keeping in mind that such healing (Bi Idhn illah) is possible from anyone who reachers that status...This would mean that a person seeks so and so hakeem or doctor for his ability in the trade of medicine and not for his qudra over shifaa.

For now.. I will quote this from contemporary times...

Hadhrat Shaykh Yusuf Motala, may Allah protect him, writes:

In Madinah during the evenings, Hadhrat [Shaykh al-Hadith Maulana Muhammmad Zakariyya, may Allah have mercy on him] would rest in Masjid-e-Noor and in the daytime Hadhrat would be present in Madrassah Shar’iyyah. Once I had spread my my bedding on the ground near Hadhrat’s bed, outside in the open near the Masjid-e-Noor visitors area. A scorpion bit me. When my eyes opened, the scorpion was still clinging to my finger. I shook my hand, throwing it a far distance. There was a lot pain and inflammation.

I held my hand so as not to disturb Hadhrat’s sleep. When Hadhrat woke up to read his tahajjud salaah, I informed him about the incident. Hadhrat performed his wudhu and returned. he recited something and spread his blessed saliva on the spot where the scorpion had bitten me. Immediately, the pain was relieved and there were no after-effects felt.

Hadhrat Shaykhul-Hadith (Maulana Muhammad Zakariyya rahmatullahi alaihi) & I, Jamea Publication No.27, Page 20 Lets see some ahadith...

Healing in means other than divine healing of Allah

Volume 7, Book 71, Number 584:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

(The Prophet said), "Healing is in three things: A gulp of honey, cupping, and branding with fire (cauterizing)." But I forbid my followers to use (cauterization) branding with fire." Getting treatment from somone (can be a hakeem, doctor)

Volume 7, Book 71, Number 600:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

that he paid Al-Muqanna a visit during his illness and said, "I will not leave till he gets cupped, for I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "There is healing in cupping." Seeking Particular means for treatment...

Volume 7, Book 71, Number 617:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Allah's Apostle allowed one of the Ansar families to treat persons who have taken poison and also who are suffering from ear ailment with Ruqya. Anas added: I got myself branded cauterized) for pleurisy, when Allah's Apostle was still alive. Abu Talha, Anas bin An-Nadr and Zaid bin Thabit witnessed that, and it was Abu Talha who branded (cauterized) me. and there are numerous..

[lalpphilalk]

I found this on the internet....

A FEW SIGNS TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN A REAL RAAQI & MAGICIAN

1) Asks the name of the patient and his mother.

2) Asks u to bring pieces of cloth, hair or other material possesions of a person.

3) Recites unintelligible verses

4) Uses Urdu or Arabic numerals.

5) Asks animals for sacrifice

6) Gives you anything to bury in earth

7) Gives you anything to burn

8) Gives you anything to hang on your body

9) Is Ignorant of Shariah

-- These are just a few of signs to recognise a fake or Unislamic Amil.

a locla hakeem i know of does many of these things does that mean he is dodgy for example i have seen taveez he gives and they 786 and then some numbers in urdu in a grid....he also says you should sacrifice and animal and that once burn the taveez and inhale the smoke once you have finished this treatment then you collect all the items used and bury them in the garden or throw them in the river....is this all legit?

i have read taveez can be used only when the words are in Arabic and are verses from the Holy Quran or Allah’s Attributes....but then i opened a taveez i found at home and it just has lots of unreadable squiggles i have also read that such taveez are dodgy as the writing is unreadable but i know people who have these taveez and find benefit ultimately from Allah (swt) so does that make the practice wrong?

if you do consult with a hakeem be careful not all of them are legit get recommendations and defo be very careful dont just follow what they ask you to do as you dont know what you could get into.

I have read that the only way jadoo etc...can be cured is through good with words from the Holy Quran so i am weary of any other methods that some people adopt.

sorry for the long post but a sister told me that she heard of this boy who suffered from childhood arthritis and the doctors didnt know how to treat him nothing seemed to work so they bathed him in zam zam water and an exorcist read some duas on him and he was healed by the Will of Allah....so i dont think people should be mocking after all if black magic had affected you, you may think that it is just a medical problem like depression or epilepsy and the like but there may be some other reason for that....Allah hu alam

[QXCharles]

Amaliyaat are a very vast field. And I have not learnt much of it so I cannot really explain its ins and outs.. but I can say this for sure that what an amil sees is the affect of those ruqya as long as they are according to the rules and regulation of shariah.. they will be permissible.

In this the language of numerals wont matter as its not the number itself rather the affect thereafter..

AND aside from all above it should be known that Ruqya is NOT a religious talisman ..rather is a medical treatment.. Yes, it is governed by some limitations but it shouldnt be intermixed with religious acts..

[Dwemadayday]

abu yusuf
as usual comes out with typical salafi tripe. allah guides whoms he wills to say anyone can be anything is just plain nonesense not everyone can be a doctor or an engineer in the same vein allah chooses people as he sees fit to be his wali. none of us can say we can get as close to allah as the true wali of allah cause its only allah that makes it happen. to deny spiritual healing is to deny a fact in islam have you not heard of the hadith about the black seed oil . have you not heard of the hadith of the prophet(saw) when a young man came to him to ask him for permission to comitt adultery and the prophet(saw) placed his hand on his chest and the young man said that i fely the coolnes of the hand of the prophet(saw) and when i rose i fely no desire at all . although the cure was from allah the m,eans was the prophet(saw) and what abt isa(as) he used to cure leprosy again by the will of allah but he was the means

[gghrdfffhfyj]

Ruqya definitely has effect and many types are proven from the Sunnah. However a lot of these famous commercial `amils are nothing but conmen. Case in point famous "`Amil Junaid Bengali" of Karachi, who isn't even Bengali but is actually from Jhang. A lot of these people practice palmistry, astrology, numerology and other black arts.