[Afigenatjola]

what has this got to do with the stamp?

The message is everyone around should follow the taqwa I posses.

I make dua for "Allah SWT save you from ahwaal" Aameen.

[RarensussyRen]

The message is everyone around should follow the taqwa I posses.

I make dua for "Allah SWT save you from ahwaal" Aameen.

i am only going by what you said.

you said your ulama claim that it is fine as long as the image cannot be made out from a normal distance.

i pointed out the image CAN be made out from a normal distance. besides, if the image could not be made out then it would defeat the purpose of having the image in the first place.

[sttrqiss]

i am only going by what you said.

you said your ulama claim that it is fine as long as the image cannot be made out from a normal distance.

i pointed out the image CAN be made out from a normal distance. besides, if the image could not be made out then it would defeat the purpose of having the image in the first place.

The difference is that your taqwa says it is 10 inches, and my permissibility says it is 4 to 5 feet.

[Mboxmaja]

The difference is that your taqwa says it is 10 inches, and my permissibility says it is 4 to 5 feet.

its not my taqwa.

its common sense.

people do not hold and utilise envelopes and stamps at a distance of 4 to 5 feet. (previously you said 3 to 4 feet.)

people hold and utilise stamps and envelopes directly in front of their face at less than arms length. when using this stamp in the way it was intended, the face can be clearly seen and recognised.

[Mabeavyledlib]

its not my taqwa.

its common sense.

people do not hold and utilise envelopes and stamps at a distance of 4 to 5 feet. (previously you said 3 to 4 feet.)

people hold and utilise stamps and envelopes directly in front of their face at less than arms length. when using this stamp in the way it was intended, the face can be clearly seen and recognised.

OK it is 3 to 4 feet.

May be your taqwa says people will use magnifying lens.

[MeatteCen]

OK it is 3 to 4 feet.

May be your taqwa says people will use magnifying lens.

listen bro, stop being an idiot and get serious.

are you seriously saying that you or anyone else have arms that are 4 feet long?

do people stretch their arms out to full reach when using stamps and envelopes.

do people in general have such bad eye sight that they would need a magnifying glass to see the image of moulana madani on the stamp?

do you really think they would make the image on the stamp so small that it cannot be recognised as a face? what would be the point in that?

[trubreTab]

OK it is 3 to 4 feet.

May be your taqwa says people will use magnifying lens.

i have already told you it is not about taqwa, its about common sense.

you know i have told you its not about taqwa as you quoted the very post where i said that.

[JJascaxal]

listen bro, stop being an idiot and get serious.

are you seriously saying that you or anyone else have arms that are 4 feet long?

do people stretch their arms out to full reach when using stamps and envelopes.

do people in general have such bad eye sight that they would need a magnifying glass to see the image of moulana madani on the stamp?

do you really think they would make the image on the stamp so small that it cannot be recognised as a face? what would be the point in that?

Assalamu alaykum

Let me quote what br Mohtashim has said;

When a dollar (or a rupee) note with human picture falls on the floor and you are in salah, the ruling given was that since the image is not recognisable in standing posture, the salah is valid.

Now your taqwa says:

What about when you go in sajdah? u r few inches from the note?

I give up and salute your taqwah.

[Borzopayn]

I give up and salute your taqwah.

again you go on about taqwa as a way to demean me even though i have said it more than once that it is not about taqwa. you should feel ashamed of yourself that you are trying to use this underhand method to win an argument.

[10traistintarry]

again you go on about taqwa as a way to demean me even though i have said it more than once that it is not about taqwa. you should feel ashamed of yourself that you are trying to use this underhand method to win an argument.

Wallah! I salute your taqwah.

[Mello]

Assalamu alaykum

Let me quote what br Mohtashim has said;

When a dollar (or a rupee) note with human picture falls on the floor and you are in salah, the ruling given was that since the image is not recognisable in standing posture, the salah is valid.

what brother mohtashim said has nothing to do with what you said about the permissibility of this stamp that has the image of a human face on it.

you said that your ulama say it is permissible because the image cannot be made out at a normal distance. i pointed out that the image CAN be made out at a normal distance.

i am not even debating the ruling about images being ok as long as they cannot be made out at a normal distance. if this is the stance of the hanafi madhab as understood by the ulama of deoband then i have no problem with it at all.

i am debating the point that the image on the stamp CAN be made out when viewed at a normal distance. i dont need an alim or a fatwa to tell me what i can see in front of my eyes. the whole point of the image on the stamp is so that it CAN be seen who it is and it CAN be recognised as a human face!

[zithromaxlinks]

[QUOTE=ahamed_sharif;813507]Assalamu alaykum

Let me quote what br Mohtashim has said;

When a dollar (or a rupee) note with human picture falls on the floor and you are in salah, the ruling given was that since the image is not recognisable in standing posture, the salah is valid.

Now your taqwa says:

What about when you go in sajdah? u r few inches from the note?

I give up and salute your taqwah.
QUOTE]

this ruling is about money which has images of faces on them over which we do not have any control.

this particular ruling does not give permission for making images with human faces on them, but clarifies the situation if money were to fall out from ones pockets when in the state of salaat.

this was the actual quote...

When a coin or paper currency falls from your pocket while you are praying salah, it does not invalidate your salah. Because, if you are standing and the currency is on the ground; with that distance the face is not very much visible.

the defining point in that ruling is with that distance the face is not very much visible it is of this reason that i asked him for clarification what the ruling is when the human image DOES become clearer when a person inevitably changes position in salaat.

[advabHixavoip]

what brother mohtashim said has nothing to do with what you said about the permissibility of this stamp that has the image of a human face on it.

you said that your ulama say it is permissible because the image cannot be made out at a normal distance. i pointed out that the image CAN be made out at a normal distance.

i am not even debating the ruling about images being ok as long as they cannot be made out at a normal distance. if this is the stance of the hanafi madhab as understood by the ulama of deoband then i have no problem with it at all.

i am debating the point that the image on the stamp CAN be made out when viewed at a normal distance. i dont need an alim or a fatwa to tell me what i can see in front of my eyes. the whole point of the image on the stamp is so that it CAN be seen who it is and it CAN be recognised as a human face!

If you have severe keratoconus like me then everything would be permissible, at a normal distance.

[janeseymore09092]

If you have severe keratoconus like me then everything would be permissible, at a normal distance.

good point.

does that mean it is permissible for people with weaker eyesight to have bigger images as long as their own eyesight cannot make out the image?

[Scukonah]

Shaykh al-Islam Mawlana Madani would NEVER have approved it. Stop fooling ourselves!

[siflversonemunk]

Shaykh al-Islam Mawlana Madani would NEVER have approved it. Stop fooling ourselves!

i posted this earlier but it went ignored...

Shaikhul Islam Hazrat Moulana Husain Ahmad Madani (Rahmatullahi Alaih)

“I never ever had my photo taken knowingly and voluntarily. That takes place when I am unaware, and I do not consider it permissible. Those who do that [i.e. take other peoples’ pictures] are responsible for their actions.”

(Ma’aarif wa Haqaaiq, 380)
rulings against photos from other deobandi ulama here...

http://www.thejamiat.co.za/index.php...tid=34:general

[annouhMus]

This is all part of a natural decline that takes place after every Tajdeed (renewal). The Deobandi Akabir were undoubtedly Mujaddids sent by Allah to revive the original and untainted teachings of the Salaf.

Today, those who claim to be associated with Deoband are debating the permissibility of seeratun Nabi a.k.a. Miladun Nabi conferences, digital pictures, nasheed concerts, joining prayers, women’s khurooj for dawah purposes, public loud zikr sessions, etc. and now stamps containing portraits of our Akabir. Such claims of association will soon be just as far-fetched as the same claims made by deviant Sufi groups to Mujaddid Alf-e-Thaani, whilst perpetrating every deviant practice that he fought against.

Our ulamah will very soon be identical to those from the pseudo-traditionalists and pseudo-Salafis.

Tomorrow, do not be surprised if your grandchildren are playing with toy caricatures of Maulana Husain Ahmad Madani and Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanawi, under the pretext of creating love for the Auliyah in their hearts from a young age.

We await the next Tajdeed.

Until then, the safest path is not to veer an inch from the path of those whose status as Mujaddids are clear.

[esconsise]

Wallah! I salute your taqwah.

Brother, you missed brother xs11ax's point clearly. Please read his replies to you carefully again and then you'll understand

[EmpaccalGah]

After a visit to Egypt by the Jamiat al-'Ulama of India in connection with the plight of the oppressed Palestinians, when preparing to leave, a number of Egyptian 'Ulama and dignitaries came to see the delegation of Jamiat al-'Ulama Al-Hind off. The dignitaries requested for a photo to be taken but Mufti Kifayat Allah Dihlawi (Allah have mercy on him) emphatically refused and declared it haraam. In view of certain Egyptian scholars having issued a fatwa of permissibility of photography, a discussion ensued. A brief recording of the discussion appears in the biography of Mufti Kifayat Allahas follows:

“Ulama al-Misr: The impermissibility only applies to those pictures which are made by the work of the human hand. In photography, no such thing is needed. It is simply a reflection of the picture.

Hadhrat Mufti Saheb: So how does this ‘reflection’ become transferred from the lens to the paper?

Ulama al-Misr: It requires much [i.e. technical] work.

Hadhrat Mufti Saheb: What is the difference between “human handiwork” and “much work”?

Ulama al-Misr: Yes, they are the same thing.

Hadhrat Mufti Saheb: Hence, their ruling is the same [i.e. photography is just as haraam as drawing pictures with the hand].”

The response of Hadhrat Mufti Kifayat AllahSaheb left the Egyptian 'Ulama present speechless and very impressed.

Shaykh al-Islam Mawlana Husain Ahmad Madani (Allah have mercy on him):

“I never ever had my photo taken knowingly and voluntarily. That takes place when I am unaware, and I do not consider it permissible. Those who do that [i.e. take other peoples’ pictures] are responsible for their actions.”

(Ma’aarif wa Haqaaiq, 380)

In certain websites photos of the Madani family and the Jamiat al-'Ulama Al-Hind are screened in an attempt to mislead the unwary public into believing that our 'Ulama view photography to be permissible. The vehement stance of our Akabir (senior) 'Ulama as is evident from Mawlana Madanis’s and Mufti Kifayat Allah’s statements reproduced above suffices to convince even a layman that the founders and stalwarts of Jamiat al-'Ulama Al-Hind were absolutely against the evil abomination of photography. And why should they not be when Rasoolullah (Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) warned of dire consequences for those who make and take pictures?

[RotsLoado]

what brother mohtashim said has nothing to do with what you said about the permissibility of this stamp that has the image of a human face on it.

you said that your ulama say it is permissible because the image cannot be made out at a normal distance. i pointed out that the image CAN be made out at a normal distance.

i am not even debating the ruling about images being ok as long as they cannot be made out at a normal distance. if this is the stance of the hanafi madhab as understood by the ulama of deoband then i have no problem with it at all.

i am debating the point that the image on the stamp CAN be made out when viewed at a normal distance. i dont need an alim or a fatwa to tell me what i can see in front of my eyes. the whole point of the image on the stamp is so that it CAN be seen who it is and it CAN be recognised as a human face!

Got your Point Brother, but what Ahmed Sharif said was also correct because he said what he heard from Ulema, and ofcourse there is different opinion of scholar about it. Your saying that the face is visible is perfect, the hands span distance is also correct. All your points correct. Leniency towards brothers is needed.