[MoreEndotte]

To answer the question raised in post 15 refer to this http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...shari+maturidi

also respected brother it would be worthwhile to try to search up your answers by looking up the relevant terms by searching rather than restarting one of these debates anew.

[doxinwasido]

To answer the question raised in post 15 refer to this http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...shari+maturidi

also respected brother it would be worthwhile to try to search up your answers by looking up the relevant terms by searching rather than restarting one of these debates anew.

I understand now brother, confusion cleared

Sorry, I had tried searching through google, but could not find the relevant information. I apologize, I didn't mean to cause a frenzy.

Anyway, this thread may be closed now.

to all those who contributed.

[Abofedrorobox]

Im listening to this video series by Yasir Qadhi:
An Explanation of the Shahadas-Part 1
An Explanation of the Shahadas-Part 2
An Explanation of the Shahadas-Part 3

So far I've watched only Part 1 and he's already criticized the Asha'ri and Maturidi theology numerous times, saying that they dont understand the meaning of the shahada correctly, have deviant beliefs, were influenced by philosophers etc...

As far as I know, these two theology are from the ahlu-sunnah wal jama'. So im thinking, is he a salafi? And is Muhammad al-shareef also a salafi? And this would mean that al-Maghrib institute is also salafi, as their are the founders of the institute.

I also found this: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/20/ma...pagewanted=all

This comes out as a shock to me! I had no idea. And now im hearing things like 'Yasir qadhi is misguided', etc...
Can anyone clarify please.

I find his lectures beneficial, and am planning to listen to his seerah lectures (which i heard were amazing). Should I stop listening to him if he is a salafi, since im not?

Ps: Please dont backbite about Yasir Qadhi or Muhammad al-Shareef, just kindly explain.

Bro, here it is, straight up.

Love him for the sake of Allaah. Love him for his love of the deen and the Messenger saw. Love him for his sincerity. Love him because of the goodness in him.

But stay away from his lectures, his classes, and his events like the plague.

[tuszit]

He is on Islam Channel right now. Should we phone up and ask?

[avaiguite]

No. His beliefs and methodology are no secret. You will not learn anything new. He is a ghayr muqallid, and that too an 'enlightened' one. Stay away from his discourses on fiqh, aqeedah, hadeeth - basically any science of Islam (and all other ghayr muqallideen). This is nothing personal against him, it is a general prescription against any and all 'impure' sources of knowledge, among which the ghayr muqallideen are at the forefront.

[leacturavar]

Bro, here it is, straight up.

Love him for the sake of Allaah. Love him for his love of the deen and the Messenger saw. Love him for his sincerity. Love him because of the goodness in him.

But stay away from his lectures, his classes, and his events like the plague.

Bro, I do love him, and all other Muslims. Doesn't matter if he's salafi, shafi'i, hanbali, athari, asha'ri etc... as long as he's a Muslim, I love him for the sake of Allah.

Although, I do intend on finishing his 3-part lecture series on the shahada. Most of the stuff he's saying in this lecture is agreed upon by all Muslims. I'll just ignore anything criticism he has for Asha'ri and Maturidi.

I also intend on listening to his seerah lectures. There's no aqeedah involved in that, so it should be safe.

[roundman]

Bro, I do love him, and all other Muslims. Doesn't matter if he's salafi, shafi'i, hanbali, athari, asha'ri etc... as long as he's a Muslim, I love him for the sake of Allah.

Although, I do intend on finishing his 3-part lecture series on the shahada. Most of the stuff he's saying in this lecture is agreed upon by all Muslims. I'll just ignore anything criticism he has for Asha'ri and Maturidi.

I also intend on listening to his seerah lectures. There's no aqeedah involved in that, so it should be safe.

Brother, with all due respect - are you well versed in the Islamic sciences to the extent you can discern subtle differences in interpretation?

There is a good reason why scholars nowadays advise strongly against taking knowledge in any form from ghayr muqallideen. The statements they make, the issues they comment on, and the interpretations they give to the seerah, sunnah, and shariah are often enough wrong in such a subtle way that a person who is not well versed in the Islamic sciences will not realize it. But those subtle interpretations have a deep effect, which leads one to confusion, creating a distance between oneself and authentic Ulema, etc ..

If you do not have formal training, humble yourself and refrain from his lectures. Find an authentic source of knowledge, and hold fast to it. Convincing yourself that you have a strong enough grasp to discern subtle interpretations and statements is actually one's pride taking over their mind.

If you do have training, ignore whatever I have posted - and get your title changed .

[UriyVlasov]

Brother, with all due respect - are you well versed in the Islamic sciences to the extent you can discern subtle differences in interpretation?

There is a good reason why scholars nowadays advise strongly against taking knowledge in any form from ghayr muqallideen. The statements they make, the issues they comment on, and the interpretations they give to the seerah, sunnah, and shariah are often enough wrong in such a subtle way that a person who is not well versed in the Islamic sciences will not realize it. But those subtle interpretations have a deep effect, which leads one to confusion, creating a distance between oneself and authentic Ulema, etc ..

If you do not have formal training, humble yourself and refrain from his lectures. Find an authentic source of knowledge, and hold fast to it. Convincing yourself that you have a strong enough grasp to discern subtle interpretations and statements is actually one's pride taking over their mind.

If you do have training, ignore whatever I have posted - and get your title changed .

No bro, im just a laymen. I've taken into consideration what you've said here, and I think you might be right. I'll see if I have the will power to delete these lectures from my phone

As for his seerah lectures, I have full intention to listen to them, as it has no fiqh or aqeedah involved. A sister on this thread also said it would be safe to listen to them. Similarly, a Hanafi brother here by the name of al-zayn once posted that he found Yasir Qadhi's seerah lectures very beneficial (Which became my initial inspiration to listen to them). So I dont think there's a danger in this.

As for matters of fiqh and aqeedah, I'll try my best to avoid him in this area.

[Edit: I've humbled myself and have deleted the lectures. There you have it. ]

[PilotJargon]

Most of the stuff he's saying in this lecture is agreed upon by all Muslims.

Funny you mention this. Most stuff in most lectures are agreed upon by all Muslims. I've made the mistake of listening to a bunch of deviant speakers (people who muqallids, ghayr muqallids - everyone agrees to be deviants), and I've noticed that most of the stuff that is mentioned is agreed upon by all Muslims. It's the little things that make a deviant, a deviant . Seriously, it's the little things. The small teaching point a speaker will mention after describing an incident of the Prophet saw. A general principle which the speaker derives after talking about the life of a sahabi. A speaker can paint a completely different picture of the 'mizaaj', or posture/attitude of our deen using the same story, the same hadeeth, the same facts - just by employing a different tone, or by relating things in a different order. Get what I'm saying bro?

I also intend on listening to his seerah lectures. There's no aqeedah involved in that, so it should be safe.

You kidding me? Seerah is the biography of the Prophet saw. The collection of historical events around the Prophet saw that we call Seerah is not just a bunch of random historical facts ... it is our deen. Everything is contained in seerah. Aqeedah, fiqh, tasawwuf, matters of state, daily sunnan, ... everything. Stay clear of impure sources of knowledge. Stay clear.

[Queuerriptota]

A sister on this thread also said it would be safe to listen to them. Similarly, a Hanafi brother here by the name of al-zayn once posted that he found Yasir Qadhi's seerah lectures very beneficial

A sister in this thread said it was safe? A hanafi brother by the name of al-fulan said they were beneficial? With all due respect to them - so what? Your deen, and the knowledge of it is the most precious thing you have. You wouldn't take investment advice from anyone short of a bonifide expert - why gamble with your deen, no matter how 'mundane' you may perceive the subject to be.

If there were no alternatives, there may be some wiggle room to allow one to listen to selected topics from ghayr muqallideen. But, this is not the case.

[Edit: I've humbled myself and have deleted the lectures. There you have it. ]

Brother, you have gained much in the eyes of Allaah swt for taking the effort to seek pure sources of knowledge. May Allaah reward you with sincere teachers who embody taqwa, and are blessed with our esteemed intellectual heritage.



I envy your zeal to learn, and soak up as much as you can about the deen. All I can do is criticize others, and make sarcastic jokes no one laughs at. Khayr, even a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day, and even the devil utters words of truth on occasion. Make dua for this needy one.

[autolubitelone]

Im listening to this video series by Yasir Qadhi:
An Explanation of the Shahadas-Part 1
An Explanation of the Shahadas-Part 2
An Explanation of the Shahadas-Part 3

So far I've watched only Part 1 and he's already criticized the Asha'ri and Maturidi theology numerous times, saying that they dont understand the meaning of the shahada correctly, have deviant beliefs, were influenced by philosophers etc...

As far as I know, these two theology are from the ahlu-sunnah wal jama'. So im thinking, is he a salafi? And is Muhammad al-shareef also a salafi? And this would mean that al-Maghrib institute is also salafi, as their are the founders of the institute.

I also found this: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/20/ma...pagewanted=all

This comes out as a shock to me! I had no idea. And now im hearing things like 'Yasir qadhi is misguided', etc...
Can anyone clarify please.

I find his lectures beneficial, and am planning to listen to his seerah lectures (which i heard were amazing). Should I stop listening to him if he is a salafi, since im not?

Ps: Please dont backbite about Yasir Qadhi or Muhammad al-Shareef, just kindly explain.

Not only he is Salafi but is instrumental in spreading Salafi ideology throughout USA.

[lakraboob]

He hides his salafy ideology if asked, he says things like "I do promote a madhab in my teaching but the student has to figure out which one it is the most closest to sunnah." Ya we all know which one he is talking about.

[Vulkanevsel]

He hides his salafy ideology if asked, he says things like "I do promote a madhab in my teaching but the student has to figure out which one it is the most closest to sunnah." Ya we all know which one he is talking about.

I still feel this whole attitude may have come about as a marketing strategy to further al-maghrib and appeal to a wider audience....he was pretty straight forward before

[MightyMasc]

Im listening to this video series by Yasir Qadhi:
An Explanation of the Shahadas-Part 1
An Explanation of the Shahadas-Part 2
An Explanation of the Shahadas-Part 3

So far I've watched only Part 1 and he's already criticized the Asha'ri and Maturidi theology numerous times, saying that they dont understand the meaning of the shahada correctly, have deviant beliefs, were influenced by philosophers etc...

As far as I know, these two theology are from the ahlu-sunnah wal jama'. So im thinking, is he a salafi? And is Muhammad al-shareef also a salafi? And this would mean that al-Maghrib institute is also salafi, as their are the founders of the institute.

I also found this: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/20/ma...pagewanted=all

This comes out as a shock to me! I had no idea. And now im hearing things like 'Yasir qadhi is misguided', etc...
Can anyone clarify please.

I find his lectures beneficial, and am planning to listen to his seerah lectures (which i heard were amazing). Should I stop listening to him if he is a salafi, since im not?

Ps: Please dont backbite about Yasir Qadhi or Muhammad al-Shareef, just kindly explain.

[zlopikanikanza]

Im listening to this video series by Yasir Qadhi:
An Explanation of the Shahadas-Part 1
An Explanation of the Shahadas-Part 2
An Explanation of the Shahadas-Part 3

So far I've watched only Part 1 and he's already criticized the Asha'ri and Maturidi theology numerous times, saying that they dont understand the meaning of the shahada correctly, have deviant beliefs, were influenced by philosophers etc...

As far as I know, these two theology are from the ahlu-sunnah wal jama'. So im thinking, is he a salafi? And is Muhammad al-shareef also a salafi? And this would mean that al-Maghrib institute is also salafi, as their are the founders of the institute.

I also found this: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/20/ma...pagewanted=all

This comes out as a shock to me! I had no idea. And now im hearing things like 'Yasir qadhi is misguided', etc...
Can anyone clarify please.

I find his lectures beneficial, and am planning to listen to his seerah lectures (which i heard were amazing). Should I stop listening to him if he is a salafi, since im not?

Ps: Please dont backbite about Yasir Qadhi or Muhammad al-Shareef, just kindly explain.

Yes Shaykh Yasir Qadhi is a salafi, he's one of the leading members of Al'Maghrib which is also a salafi institute.

I think one can certainly receive a lot of benefit from him, but I personally would stay away from aqeedah lectures and the like.

To my knowledge he, unlike many, doesn't pick on Hanafis, respects deifferences of opinion etc.

[exchpaypalgold]

Yes Shaykh Yasir Qadhi is a salafi, he's one of the leading members of Al'Maghrib which is also a salafi institute.

I think one can certainly receive a lot of benefit from him, but I personally would stay away from aqeedah lectures and the like.

To my knowledge he, unlike many, doesn't pick on Hanafis, respects deifferences of opinion etc.

ok, so wait. Salafi's reject asha'ri and maturidi theology? Doesn't this put them out of the fold of Islam (or at least ahlus sunna)?

So should I continue listening to his 3-part lecture series on the shahada (while ignoring the stuff he says about asha'ri and maturidi theologies)?
And Im guessing its safe to listen to his seerah lectures here since they have nothing to do with aqeedah or madhaib at all.

[bingookenoo]

yes he is a salafi and he is against ashari/maturidi beliefs...he used to have a blog with articles written against them, i don't know if it still exists

I don't know what his actual opinion on madhabs is, he seems to have changed once al-maghrib came about and became milder towards those who are not salafi...i don't know if this is genuine or if it was to appeal to a wider audience...Allahu alam but as he became a little milder a lot of salafis started to dislike him for that reason

I wouldn't follow him in fiqh as he often goes away from the typical salafi fiqh to his own conclusions and minority opinions such as it being okay to shake hands with women, the size of the beard etc

i vaguely remember his seerah lectures being good, i guess there is no harm in listening to those

[Aleenkagirlla]

Yes.

And as is the danger of the pick and choose salafi way many of his opinions and 'fatwas' now have a modernist strain to them with examples such as ones mentioned by sister above.

[DeedPatmeda]

Abu Khadeejah al-Madkhali on Yasir Qadhi. Seems like even the Super La Madh-habis have spoken against Yasir Qadhi.

[pfcwlkxav]

ok, so wait. Salafi's reject asha'ri and maturidi theology? Doesn't this put them out of the fold of Islam (or at least ahlus sunna)?

Ashari and Maturidi Kalam didn't exist in the first generations - does that put the real Salaf out of the fold of Islam (or at least ahlus sunna) too?