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Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #21
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you must have misunderstood me. i did not say i read everything.

all i want you to do is post some verses, or a chapter if possible, in the format that it was revealed to the Prophet along with a translation from yourself.

if you wish to give an explanation of the these verses/chapter then you may do so if you wish, but first please post from the actual book itself.

thank you.
In post#14 above I stated what I highlight below

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In post#14 above I stated what I highlight below

The hidden book (al-kitaab) is a programme that anyone in the world can learn and begin to understand within three hours.It is not a book you can just write with your hand and then say "here it is". It is a mental programme.
It requires the revealed books of ALLAAH(A*) to explain it. Because the previous people tampered with their books the Book (al-kitaab) became hidden from them and then they began to argue about it and finally doubt it. ALLAAH (A*) sent his last messenger(S+) with the last revelation called the recitation/reading (al-Qur'aan) with the 'Ahaadiyth and the execution of it called the Sunnah to explain it to those whom he chose to explain it. The hidden Book (al-kitaab) contains all the 'aayaat (symbols, signs) of ALLAAH(A*). I have made another thread called
ALLAAH (A*),The Qur'aan, The Prophet (S+), The "Itrah and The Hidden Book

Abudawud
And I have made it clear many places elsewhere where you said you read. I the brother will let me guide you you will enter the Book very quickly but you must let me show you how to enter.

Another example. If I were to write the following mathematical equation Y = MX + C or Y = MX + B what would most people understand. They would not know that that is the formula for a straight line. How would the man of knowledge respond when the person who does not know insist to see the straight line. The hidden Book (al-kitaab) is like that.
We use the letters of the language to take us into greater truth explanations. So the Qur'aan is the book that takes us to the hidden Book and the hadiyth is the detailed explanations. E.g if I were to ask you - what is 'alif laam miym- would you know? No you would not because you do not know what the 'alif is nor the laam nor the miym. You only know the sounds and shapes but what they are and what they represent you do not know. I hope I have explained it a bit clearer to you. If you want to know about the hidden book then you must let me guide you into it and then you will know it. Then you will begin to understand exactly why everything is the way it is. E.g. Within a three hour period of learning the hidden book you would know the meanings of hundreds of Arabic words even if you have never heard those words before because Arabic comes from a programme of knowledge that ALLAAH(A*) brought into existence. They are not just arbitrary inventions. This I have explained in my books The Qur'aan Lexicographical and Etymological Models which are going to be on the internet soon inshaa allaah. Let me know when we can embark inshaa allaah.
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Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #22
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The following is an image of the Klingon language.

The members of this forum have no knowledge of it. The words mean nothing to us. Yet i am able to reproduce it here and members are able to see it.

In the same manner, can you please post a chapter from 'the hidden book', in the same format as it was revealed to the final Prophet Muhammad



Once you have done this you can explain it further if you wish.
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Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #23
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Allah's Messenger said:
"Oh, do look! I have been given the Book and the like thereof along with it.
Oh, do look! I have been given Quran and the like thereof along with it."
(Musnad Ahmad: 4/131)
On another site I found the hadith quoted different:
The Prophet (saw) is reported to have said, "Know that I have been given the Quran and something like it" (Musnad Ahmad,vol 4: 131, Sunan Abu Dawood 40:4587)
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Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #24
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23)*Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab: Al-Aqra', the mu'adhdhin (announcer) of Umar ibn al-Khattab said:
Umar sent me to a bishop and I called him. Umar said to him:
Do you find me in the book (al-kitaab)? He said: Yes.
He asked: How do you find me?
He said: I find you (like a) castle.
Then he raised a whip to him, saying:
What do you mean by castle?
He replied: An iron castle and severely trustworthy.
He asked: How do you find the one who will come after me?
He said: I find him a pious caliph, except that he will prefer his relatives.
Umar said: May Allah have mercy on Uthman: He said it three times.
He then asked: How do you find the one who will come after him?
He replied: I find him like rusty iron.
Umar then put his hand on his head, and said: O filthy! O filthy!
He said: Commander of the Faithful! He is a pious caliph, but when he is made caliph, the sword will be unsheathed and blood will be shed. *(Book #40, Hadith #4639)

Abudawud[/CENTER][/QUOTE]

He(RA) was asking a bishop, do you not think kitaab meant the bible
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Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #25
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The following is an image of the Klingon language.

The members of this forum have no knowledge of it. The words mean nothing to us. Yet i am able to reproduce it here and members are able to see it.

In the same manner, can you please post a chapter from 'the hidden book', in the same format as it was revealed to the final Prophet Muhammad



Once you have done this you can explain it further if you wish.
So you have asked me something and then I have told you what must be done and then you do not want to follow the rules of how to go about it. That is why I did not reply to the first request when you asked me about the hidden book because I know about how difficult man can become.
There were two men-
Man (XXX) said "I have a great library and no one knows how to enter it but only me and I enter it everyday"
Man (YYY) said " Where is your library and where is your key? You sit in your house everyday and never go out"
Man (XXX) said " I have something called a computer and I have a code by which I can enter."
Man (YYY) said " First bring me the key and at least one book and then I will believe that you have a library"

And because of that no one got anywhere. ALLAAH (A*) is my witness that I have tried to answer your asking but you have not allowed me to explain it the way I told you that it should be explained. It is up to you brother with all due respect.


Bukhaariy 01:121 abuw hurayrah

"I have memorized two kinds of knowledge from the messenger of allaah. I have propagated one of them to you and if I had propagated the second, then my pharynx(throat) would be cut(killed)."

Tirmidhi 2133 "abdur_rahmaan ibn awf

The Prophet (peace be upon him said) said:"Three things will be under the throne on The Day of Resurrection: the qur'aan which will contend with men, having an exoteric and an esoteric meaning: the trust; and ties of relationship which will say,"allaah join those who joined me and sever those who severed me."

14.Abdullah ibn Masood (Allah be pleased with him) reported that once Allah's Messenger (Peace be upon him) drew a line in the dust with his hand and said, "This is the straight path of Allah." Then he drew a series of lines to the right of it and to the left and said, "Each of these paths has a devil at its head inviting people to it." He then recited (Qur'an 6:153), "Verily this is my straight path so follow it and do not follow the (twisted) paths." (Collected by Ahmad, Nisai and Darimi; see Mishkat ul-Masabih, 1/166)
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Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #26
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Allah's Messenger said:
"Oh, do look! I have been given the Book and the like thereof along with it.
Oh, do look! I have been given Quran and the like thereof along with it."
(Musnad Ahmad: 4/131)
On another site I found the hadith quoted different:
The Prophet (saw) is reported to have said, "Know that I have been given the Quran and something like it" (Musnad Ahmad,vol 4: 131, Sunan Abu Dawood 40:4587)
Both versions exist
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Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #27
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23)*Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab: Al-Aqra', the mu'adhdhin (announcer) of Umar ibn al-Khattab said:
Umar sent me to a bishop and I called him. Umar said to him:
Do you find me in the book (al-kitaab)? He said: Yes.
He asked: How do you find me?
He said: I find you (like a) castle.
Then he raised a whip to him, saying:
What do you mean by castle?
He replied: An iron castle and severely trustworthy.
He asked: How do you find the one who will come after me?
He said: I find him a pious caliph, except that he will prefer his relatives.
Umar said: May Allah have mercy on Uthman: He said it three times.
He then asked: How do you find the one who will come after him?
He replied: I find him like rusty iron.
Umar then put his hand on his head, and said: O filthy! O filthy!
He said: Commander of the Faithful! He is a pious caliph, but when he is made caliph, the sword will be unsheathed and blood will be shed. *(Book #40, Hadith #4639)

Abudawud[/CENTER]
He(RA) was asking a bishop, do you not think kitaab meant the bible[/QUOTE]

All the books of ALLAAH(A*) takes one to the hidden Book(al-kitaab). Go to the thread ALLAAH (A*),The Qur'aan, The Prophet (S+), The "Itrah and The Hidden Book. Therein I provide the evidence of the hidden Book. Don't worry I have studied the entire Bible and I read it via the Hebrew. You cannot open the Bible and find the four righteous Khulafaa' therein.

E.g do you find stoning for adultery in the Qur'aan.

(50)*Malik related to me from Ibn Shihab from Ubaydullah ibn Abdullah ibn Utba ibn Masud that Abdullah ibn Abbas said, "I heard Umar ibn al-Khattab say, 'Stoning is in the book of Allah for those who commit adultery, men or women when they are muhsan and when there is clear proof of pregnancy or a confession.' " *(Book #41, Hadith #41.1.8) Muwatta
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Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #28
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The Amir has come to us on his own. We are so blessed.
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Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #29
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Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah


fascinating, will they have it in my local library (maybe in a special section that you enter via a secret door and then you go to it by riding on a magic carpet) or will I have to wait until it is available on Amazon?
salaam+

I have now added Part Two to The Qur'aan Cosmological model. Go to post #1 on top scroll down to Part Two
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Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #30
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salaam+

I have now added Part Two to The Qur'aan Cosmological model. Go to post #1 on top scroll down to Part Two
Thank you Amir.
It will be given due consideration.
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